TGDT 11/16 - Blackhawks (13-4-2) @ Predators (8-9-2) 7:00PM CSN

[roshinaya]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="214376" data-time="1384729820">

I've never been a huge fan of Crawford. I think he's overrated and I agree with variable, the fact that he won a stanley cup is great, but it's not the most ideal reason to put someone into a top 10 category.

He's an average goalie at best and I'm fine with that. What I don't like is how if you say Crawford played a bad game everyone jumps on you for stating the obvious. His glove hand is bad, he let's in quite a few softies, and mentally he's hit or miss most nights. Has he stolen some games? Yes. But I wouldn't say he's great.</p></blockquote>
How can he be overrated when he gets shit on at every opportunity. Even after showing his detractors that he can get it done when it matters.

 

[Rex]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="214403" data-time="1384742444">
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Haha, give me a break. Crawford was barely tried in this game. The Hawks as a team played a solid game defensively. Was a good game all around. Let's not get too cocky.</p>
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24 shots faced is now barely tried?</p>


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I guess Niemi was barely tried too, since we only had 3 more shots.</p>

 

[Rex]

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How can he be overrated when he gets shit on at every opportunity. Even after showing his detractors that he can get it done when it matters.</p>
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Most shit on goalie in the league</p>


Most hated by his fans</p>


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Overrated.</p>

 

[roshinaya]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="214403" data-time="1384742444">

Haha, give me a break. Crawford was barely tried in this game. The Hawks as a team played a solid game defensively. Was a good game all around. Let's not get too cocky.</p></blockquote>
Typical. When CC does good, it's a team effort, when it doesn't it's all CC's fault.

 

[Rex]

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Typical. When CC does good, it's a team effort, when it doesn't it's all CC's fault.</p>
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I did say this on page 5</p>


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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rex" data-cid="214356" data-time="1384721500">
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also, I'll say this as a goalie (me and Ton would know) When you're winning, it's a team effort. When you're losing, it's the fault of the goalie. </p>
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[Chief Walking Stick]

I was a CC hater last year and made soe really stupid comments.</p>


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At least I am able to admit I was wrong and root for the guy.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I don't think he's an elite goaltender. I don't think he sucks, just don't see him being better than average.


Tonight's game the quality of shots against Craw was nothing like that Niemi saw.

 

[Rex]

"average at best"</p>


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means below average.</p>


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And Crow made a few really nice saves off deflections, and proved he was mentally strong after being able to bounce back from last night, and from that oddball goal.</p>


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I'd say give up while you're ahead...But I don't think you've ever been ahead in this thread.</p>


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and the shots Niemi faced (on that massive workload of 3 more shots Crow faced) all the good ones ended up in the back of the net.</p>


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and if you want to really criticize goalies, his positioning was shit.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I think he's an average goaltender. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Rex]

okay. Time will tell. </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

lol</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I'm not saying he sucks. Don't get me wrong he's had some really great games, he's also had some really bad ones. I don't see him as top 10. It's still early in his career where if he does well I will end up eating shit and will love it. I'm the first person to admit when I'm wrong. For him, I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[Rex]

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I'm not saying he sucks. Don't get me wrong he's had some really great games, he's also had some really bad ones. I don't see him as top 10. It's still early in his career where if he does well I will end up eating shit and will love it. I'm the first person to admit when I'm wrong. For him, I hope he proves me wrong.</p>
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Stu actually is the first person to admit he's wrong (and I am eating shit saying that, because **** stu)</p>


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and yes, he has had some bad games, I challenge you to find me a goalie in the NHL who hasn't</p>


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And he will prove you wrong, I'm happy we have him. The team loves him, and one day the fan base will too. </p>


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and when did we (blackhawks fans) become such harsh critics of goaltenders anyway? Didn't we all love T-Bo? Khabi? Yet most people hate Crawford? It's like Bears fans, the favorite player on the team is the second string QB</p>

 

[Ton]

Personally, I think when it's all said and done, Crawford will be remembered as the best Blackhawks goaltender in the franchises history.</p>


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Yeah, I said it. Shoot me.</p>

 

[R K]

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Personally, I think when it's all said and done, Crawford will be remembered as the best Blackhawks goaltender in the franchises history.</p>


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Yeah, I said it. Shoot me.</p>
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Behind Belfour I might agree with that.</p>



Trev I'm not sure what game you were watching but when the score was close, Crawford made 2-3 excellent saves.  He was also breaking in new pads and gloves tonight, which might explain his only GA, since I'm not sure you noticed Trev.</p>


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As for the game, what a complete domination from the Hawks.  With a team, having their 3rd in 4 nights, but was sitting here with a day off waiting.</p>


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Saad, great game</p>


Kruger, great game</p>


Toews, Kane, Sharp, very good games...</p>


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Bickell, using the body had 2-3 excellent hits...</p>


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Versteeg, he's going to be a great addition, more offensive than Frolik and all around better than Stalberg in every aspect, minus probably speed.</p>


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Nice way to leave things at the UC for the Circus Trip.  Khabi will be gone at least 5-6 weeks so Raanta is going to get a couple of games.  I'll be interested in seeing how he plays in the big show.  </p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rex" data-cid="214378" data-time="1384730393">

you quoted me to agree with me? lol.

 

reread what I had said there</p></blockquote>


I know you corrected yourself from your prior post. I screwed up later in the thread re how many cups Hasek won. Karma.

 

[mikita's helmet]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Variable" data-cid="214367" data-time="1384724975">

As it is for me, but I'm talking about the general consensus, where talking points which are constantly parroted like "Cup winning goalie" are taken seriously like they mean a lot more than they actually do. Even with his Cup win that supposedly means so much, I hear Brodeur as being the best goalie of his era or generation a lot because of another equally ridiculous reason: goalie wins.</p></blockquote>


Tony Esposito never won the cup but is a Hall of Famer. So a Cup title not a prerquisite, but it doesn't hurt.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Craig Anderson is the future.</p>

 

[Rex]

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Tony Esposito never won the cup but is a Hall of Famer. So a Cup title not a prerquisite, but it doesn't hurt.</p>
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It's not a prerequisite, but it helps the fringe goalies (or even players) get in.</p>


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Would Doug Gilmour be in the HHOF without a cup? Probably not.</p>


Would Doug Wilson be in the HHOF with a cup? Hell yes!!</p>


Would Eric Lindros be in the HHOF with a cup? Hell yes!</p>


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and since I brought up the babysitter rapist, why isn't Steve Larmer in the Hall? Much better player than Dougie!</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Patty Mayonnaise.</p>