TGDT 11/16 - Blackhawks (13-4-2) @ Predators (8-9-2) 7:00PM CSN

[Rex]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="214321" data-time="1384669013">
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Look, I'm not saying Crawford is awful, I'm just saying he's not as great as everyone makes him out to be. He's an average goalie at best.</p>
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average at best?</p>


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sure looked pretty average all last season, VERY average in the playoffs when the entire team thought he deserved the Conn Smythe</p>


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has looked very average all this season too, when the only things really getting by him are deflections.</p>

 

[Rex]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="214322" data-time="1384669422">
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No he is a good goalie at worst.  Don't be a ******.</p>


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No one is saying he's GREAT or the BEST EVER.</p>
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actually, a lot of us have been saying he's great. Because he is great. He's a top 10 goalie in the league. His career numbers back that up, and his play in the post season last year solidified that. </p>

 

[Variable]

One great season doesn't make a great goalie.</p>

 

[Rex]

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One great season doesn't make a great goalie.</p>
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remind me how many great seasons Carey Price has had? Antti Niemi? </p>


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Hell, Even Tukka Rask, who is a great goalie, has only been a starter for what, two seasons not counting this year? </p>


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Jonathan Quick has only really had one great season too, and before 2012 his biggest criticism was "not a playoff performer" </p>

 

[Variable]

Since when have I said Carey Price or Antti Niemi is great? Niemi has basically been the definition of an average goalie for most of his career. I've always maintained that truly great goalies are very rare and, overall, aren't worth it in a capped league, unless they're willing to take a discount.</p>


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What I said really isn't taking anything away from Crawford.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

LOL Khabibulin's stats are SOOOO bad they don't even list them on ESPN.</p>


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http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/goaltending/sort/savePct/order/false</p>


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.811 SV%</p>


5.0 GAA</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Agree to disagree, but Crawford had one great season on one f the greatest single season teams in the history of the NHL. The same team that made Emery look like a star.


Hell, he's not even in the top 30 save percentage amongst goalies this season.


He's average, and I'm fine with that. Let's just not get carried away.

 

[mikita's helmet]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rex" data-cid="214313" data-time="1384666058">


Oh, The Crawford haters are back.
</p></blockquote>One game where he comes in cold and Trev has a nervous breakdown. SMH and LMFAO. Of the goalies he listed to replace Crow, only one was a starter that won the Cup, Niemi. SMH, again. Kane said more than once, right after winning the Conn Smythe, and when he handed him the belt at the parade, that Crow was the best player throughout the playoffs. SMH, a third time.

 

[mikita's helmet]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="BlackhawkPaul" data-cid="214318" data-time="1384668430">

Panthers beat the Avs at Colorado 4-1 tonight.  Anyone pick Florida?

Sometimes teams shit the bed against very bad teams.</p></blockquote>


Shittin da bed, a fantasy of yours or a regular occurence?

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Hot steaming liquid toilet mess. Nothing else other to say about that game.

 

[Rex]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mikita's Helmet" data-cid="214340" data-time="1384713285">
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One game where he comes in cold and Trev has a nervous breakdown. SMH and LMFAO. Of the goalies he listed to replace Crow, only one was a starter that won the Cup, Niemi. SMH, again. Kane said more than once, right after winning the Conn Smythe, and when he handed him the belt at the parade, that Crow was the best player throughout the playoffs. SMH, a third time.</p>
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He listed Quick too, in his defense.</p>


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but yeah. Also, Crawford far ouplayed Niemi if you compare both of their cup wins. </p>


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As for Crawford playing behind "the best defense in the league" The defense hasn't been too lights out over the past 5 games or so, but when you score 5 goals a game, nobody really notices. </p>

 

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The amount of importance people put on a goalie, the position most dependent on the quality of every other player on the team, and whether or not he's "won a Cup" is just comical. For as much as people love to talk about hockey as a team effort, they sure as **** throw that idea out the window when it comes to judging goalies.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Chris Osgood even won multiple Stanley Cups..............................</p>

 

[Rex]

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Chris Osgood even won multiple Stanley Cups..............................</p>
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two of them as a backup, but yeah. </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rex" data-cid="214352" data-time="1384720920">
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two of them as a backup, but yeah. </p>
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I thought he started in 98 and 08?</p>


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Either way... the fact that he could win a Cup as a starter is comical... hope he sucked off Lidstrom for those rings.</p>

 

[Rex]

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I thought he started in 98 and 08?</p>


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Either way... the fact that he could win a Cup as a starter is comical... hope he sucked off Lidstrom for those rings.</p>
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backed up Vernon in 97</p>


Thought he backed up Hasek in 08, and took over in 09 when they lost in the finals, but looks like I was wrong. </p>

 

[Variable]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Grimson" data-cid="214351" data-time="1384720717">
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Chris Osgood even won multiple Stanley Cups..............................</p>
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When Osgood has "won more Cups" than Hasek, people should know better than to judge goalies on that. Should. They don't.</p>

 

[Rex]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Variable" data-cid="214355" data-time="1384721406">
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When Osgood has "won more Cups" than Hasek, people should know better than to judge goalies on that. Should. They don't.</p>
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Hasek also spent the majority of his career with the Buffalo Sabres, a team he singlehandedly brought to game 6 of the cup finals in 99</p>


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also, I'll say this as a goalie (me and Ton would know) When you're winning, it's a team effort. When you're losing, it's the fault of the goalie. </p>

 

[Variable]

I'm not a Crawford "hater" it's just it takes more than last season of being really good to make me into a believer that he's elite. I don't throw around the word "great" too loosely when it comes to goalies.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rex" data-cid="214354" data-time="1384721188">


backed up Vernon in 97

Thought he backed up Hasek in 08, and took over in 09 when they lost in the finals, but looks like I was wrong.
</p></blockquote>Osgood was 14-4 in the 2008 Cup, replacing Hasek in game 4 and never looking back. Hasek shit the bed in 08.


from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Osgood


After Hasek performed poorly in Games 3 and 4 of their 2008 first round series with the Nashville Predators, Red Wings coach Mike Babcock decided to pull him in favor of Osgood midway through Game 4 and named him the starter for game 5 of the series. With Osgood in goal, the Red Wings won their next nine playoff games in a row, defeating the Predators and sweeping the Colorado Avalanche as well as dealing the Dallas Stars a three-game deficit. Though the Stars battled back, winning their next two games, Osgood shone in game 6, stopping all but one shot in a game riddled with Red Wings penalties, sending them to the Stanley Cup Finals to meet the Pittsburgh Penguins. In games one and two of the Stanley Cup finals, Osgood had back-to-back shutouts, making him the fourth goalie in NHL history to start the Finals with back-to-back shutouts. Between the two games, he made a total of 41 saves. His save as time expired in Game Six sealed the Stanley Cup win for the Red Wings and for Osgood, who won his second championship as a starting goaltender. His final 2008 playoff record was 14–4 with a 1.55 GAA; he was considered a contender for the Conn Smythe Trophy which eventually went to Henrik Zetterberg.