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And bolland who hasn't been healthy all year and who centers the 3rd line. Without him the depth of this team at Center changes greatly. And yes without a 3rd line THEN I would have agreed with Whaler months ago we were going to have trouble.
I wasn't expecting Campbell, Hossa and Bolland to not be healthy. Especially at the start when all the new players were finding chemistry.
And neither did Whaler, but it makes his argument sound better now directly because those tangibles happened.
I still think this team has Stanley Cup calibur talent on the roster right now as a TEAM.
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From your keyboard to God's ear......
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Oh I don't know about that. Stalberg could certainly replace Versteeg. Look at their current numbers and Versteeg has a primary role on that team.
Buff, we miss his phsicality but we don't miss his inconsistancy which he isn't really displaying in Atlanta yet.
Ladd... We have no replacement.
Frazer, I'd rather have Dowell.
Sopel.. We miss his shot blocking but with the proper minutes I'd take Boyton or Cullimore or even Leddy than Sopel.
Madden, we miss having the Center, BUT from the limo picture on he flat out sucked.
Burrish, was out all year.... Eager was out most of the first part of the year and very sketchy the rest with NOT wanting another concussion.
I don't think I agree with the talent more so the CHEMISTRY.
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Honestly, I don't see Bolland as part of the core, essential for center depth? YES. But with his injuries and his back, if we had a suitable alternative for second line center, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he wasn't there. But since we have 0 depth after toews, unless you count sharp, then I'm heart broken he's not int here.
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Oh God, hope not! I have never considered Bolland a part of the core and don't think the Hawks FO do either when they talk about the core.
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He is 7th on the team in salary, I don't know how many you can have in a core, but he would be 8th then after Seabs gets his new contract. (lord knows where we are going to get that money. He only gets 250 more than hammer. At least brown is off the books finally.. haha
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The 3rd line Center makes 3.75 mil per year. I'd say that constitutes him as part of the core, and projected him to grow into the 2nd line Center. As Hjarlmarsson was consisdered part of the core and why they matched the Sharks offer.
shame we didn't build this team 15 years ago when there was no Salary Cap. They might have won several Cups.
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Reading through this thread there is no doubt many of us have philosophical differences in how, when, why, and where, but there is no doubt the knowledge of the game everyone brings to the discussion.
Without a doubt listening to a majority of the idiots day to day try and talk Hawk Hockey it is refreshing to have a place where we can read others "educated" opinions and know they have the knowledge to back it up.
Kudos to you all and thanks!
Without a doubt listening to a majority of the idiots day to day try and talk Hawk Hockey it is refreshing to have a place where we can read others "educated" opinions and know they have the knowledge to back it up.
Kudos to you all and thanks!
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As far as the center issue and loss of Ladd I agree totally and hopefully Stalberg can surpass what Steeg did.
With Sopel, I would rather see him than Boynton or Cullimore. Just my opinion.
We could spend all day debating Buff and his obvious inconsistency. But I sincerely doubt any of the new players brings the physical play he did and that is one thing I think is missing now that he and Ladd are gone. Winning board battles, while not pretty, helps win games imho.
With the others, while Burrish, Eager, Madden and Fraser may not have been top flight talent, they did have a level of experience that Dowell, Bickell and Skille do not have at this point.
This may be a major factor and mayb it isn't. But I feel it is when the subject of depth (or lack thereof) is discussed,.
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yeah, my posts did disappear. then i realized that there was an issue and i just figured Ton probably was working on it.
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Ron, I think Bubblehead is asking you a question. We're all waiting for the answer.
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Ron, I think Bubblehead is asking you a question. We're all waiting for the answer.
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I'm pretty sure they are just off their pace per game, goals for, from last year.... PMX?
That said Larry, scoring is not the problem. Shots against and goals against is. Losing in the third period by giving up goals on poor defensive plays.
Is that a good answer?
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Don't know if it is a good answer or not, but it works for me. Doesn't matter if you score 1 goal per game just as long as the defense allows none.
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While I agree that +/- can be a bit deceiving at times, it's usually pretty dead on how players are playing and how they play on the ice.
Sharp, Kane, Kopecky, Keith are all negative players. Having watch them play defense in their own zone, I will believe it. I applaud Sharps offensive contributions, as it seems he's the only person who decided to try and put the puck in the net (Hossa too but he's injured). I'll let Kane off the hook because he's never been known to have a defensive game, but Sharp could maybe do a bit better considering the center acts as a 3rd defensemen.
I'm sorry, but Turco is awful. I've never seen someone let in such soft goals, outside of Huet, and every time someone winds up for a shot, I get nervous. He's a typical "flopper/reaction" goaltender, except he's losing a step and he's getting burned on some ridiculous shots. Plus, once teams learn to shoot top shelf on him, it's going to be a nightmare for the Hawks goals against average.
Also, please don't compare this teams stats to the 09-10 team stats. These are two different teams and there are two many changing variables to consider. Our top 2 lines are NHL talent, followed by our bottom lines of AHL talent. At least last years team had NHL talent on all 4 lines. Unfortunately this is the price you pay when you have high paid players and you keep your "core" guys over time. I'm sorry folks but unless someone takes a guy like Campbell off the books, we are going to see the same type of set up (1/2 NHLers, 1/2 AHLers) year after year.
Sharp, Kane, Kopecky, Keith are all negative players. Having watch them play defense in their own zone, I will believe it. I applaud Sharps offensive contributions, as it seems he's the only person who decided to try and put the puck in the net (Hossa too but he's injured). I'll let Kane off the hook because he's never been known to have a defensive game, but Sharp could maybe do a bit better considering the center acts as a 3rd defensemen.
I'm sorry, but Turco is awful. I've never seen someone let in such soft goals, outside of Huet, and every time someone winds up for a shot, I get nervous. He's a typical "flopper/reaction" goaltender, except he's losing a step and he's getting burned on some ridiculous shots. Plus, once teams learn to shoot top shelf on him, it's going to be a nightmare for the Hawks goals against average.
Also, please don't compare this teams stats to the 09-10 team stats. These are two different teams and there are two many changing variables to consider. Our top 2 lines are NHL talent, followed by our bottom lines of AHL talent. At least last years team had NHL talent on all 4 lines. Unfortunately this is the price you pay when you have high paid players and you keep your "core" guys over time. I'm sorry folks but unless someone takes a guy like Campbell off the books, we are going to see the same type of set up (1/2 NHLers, 1/2 AHLers) year after year.