TGDT 12/11 - Flyers (13-14-3) @ Blackhawks (22-6-5) 7:00PM NBCS

[Pez68]

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Not really.  Someone broke the PK down into 5 game segments.  Because the Hawks don't take a lot of penalties, ie 5th in the league, it's hard to bring a % up when the first five games resulted in 47% or 7 out of 16.  The first game was 20% IE the Caps scored 3-4 on the PP. </p>


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FYI there were three stretches of 5 games where the Hawks were in the upper 80%.  Once you start out like that it's hard to dig out or ever get the % to move up significantly.</p>


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So instead of the Ostrich approach I like the educated one.</p>


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Then again I would never suggest a player that double and triple shifts, due to his massive offensive upside, EVER kill penalties.</p>


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Just sayin...</p>
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So you're saying the PK isn't as bad as the percentage? No, I call bullshit. Look at the numbers BHP posted. It has been CONSISTENTLY bad month by month. In this case, the numbers DO tell the story.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

23-6-5</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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The PK looks exactly how it did two seasons ago. Go back and read the threads and you'll see that triangle +1 being ripped to shreds by the board....

 

Not only is it easier to find shooting lanes, there is WAY too much room for the points to walk in.... I just don't get it.</p></blockquote>


You realize I'm not disagreeing with you, right?

 

[puckjim]

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So you're saying the PK isn't as bad as the percentage? No, I call bullshit. Look at the numbers BHP posted. It has been CONSISTENTLY bad month by month. In this case, the numbers DO tell the story.</p>
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Yeah, but if you leave out the games that they gave up multiple power-play goals, it really isn't that bad.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Not really.  Someone broke the PK down into 5 game segments.  Because the Hawks don't take a lot of penalties, ie 5th in the league, it's hard to bring a % up when the first five games resulted in 47% or 7 out of 16.  The first game was 20% IE the Caps scored 3-4 on the PP. </p>


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FYI there were three stretches of 5 games where the Hawks were in the upper 80%.  Once you start out like that it's hard to dig out or ever get the % to move up significantly.</p>


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So instead of the Ostrich approach I like the educated one.</p>


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Then again I would never suggest a player that double and triple shifts, due to his massive offensive upside, EVER kill penalties.</p>


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Just sayin...</p>
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Sounds like an excuse to me. Those five teams that have taken less penalties than the Hawks: New Jersey (3rd best PK), Detroit (8th), San Jose (16th), Carolina (20th)... all of them almost 10% better than the Hawks.</p>


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Can't deny it, the PK is bad and should be fixed.</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Versteeg to Winnipeg</p>


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Frolic back to Hox </p>


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Problem solved</p>


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  :happy-partydance:  :happy-partydance:</p>

 

[Tater]

_{I'm not sure why Versteeg hasn't been on the PK much. I figured he'd be used there more (not that it would fix things though).}</p>

 

[R K]

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So you're saying the PK isn't as bad as the percentage? No, I call bullshit. Look at the numbers BHP posted. It has been CONSISTENTLY bad month by month. In this case, the numbers DO tell the story.</p>
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If you break it down every five games, there were three sets it was over 80.  Unfortunately there were 3 sets under 60.  But when it sarts out 7-16 with a team that doesn't take a lot, it's hard to bring it up.  I don't have to look at BHP Blackhawk chick broke it down 5 games stints.</p>


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I'm not saying it's good but it is skewed to some extent because of the first few games.</p>

 

[R K]

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Yeah, but if you leave out the games that they gave up multiple power-play goals, it really isn't that bad.</p>
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Thats not actually factual but what ever. </p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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If you break it down every five games, there were three sets it was over 80.  Unfortunately there were 3 sets under 60.  But when it sarts out 7-16 with a team that doesn't take a lot, it's hard to bring it up.  I don't have to look at BHP Blackhawk chick broke it down 5 games stints.</p>


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I'm not saying it's good but it is skewed to some extent because of the first few games.</p>
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That makes no sense.

It's basically taking 3 sets and going "Well, it isn't that bad, because in these certain stretches it was 80%, while ignoring the bad stretches.

I could give you the recent games in which they were 5/5 both games (in a row) and go "100%, what's to worry aboot?"  The sample size I provided is a bit more realistic representation on how bad the special teams (Penalty Kill) are.


Do you have a link to this person's site?  It would be interesting to see how they break it down.  It's more or less using statistics in a creative way to support the argument, but when it comes down to it, they're 29th, and have been consistently poor throughout the season.  The great offensive support has diminished the concern a bit, and the best record in the NHL is nice when they have the offensive power.


All it will take is one bad stretch offensively to really expose the glaring problem that is the PK.  Better not be the playoffs, or it will look like Pit/Bos in the playoffs last year.  </p>


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I  do agree with your statement that the number will be difficult to bring up.

The PK could go 20/20 over the next few games and still be at 78.3%, but it would be nice to see those numbers for a good stretch.


I have not broken down efficiency numbers; meaning how do the Hawks fare against elite PP versus a PP that's bad.  Are the better teams scoring PP goals against this team, or is it just consistently not good?</p>

 

[chasman]

I agree the PK needs work but
23-6-5
who's better??

 

[Samurai]

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NEW YORK - Philadelphia Flyers forward Brayden Schenn has been fined $2,230.77. the maximum permitted under the CBA, for cross-checking Chicago forward Kris Versteeg in NHL Game No. 471 in Chicago on Wednesday, Dec. 11, the National Hockey League's Department of Player Safety announced today.</p>


The incident occurred at 13:25 of the second period. No penalty was assessed to Schenn on the play.</p>


The fine money goes to the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.</p>
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bscene-tolietcrapper:</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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bscene-tolietcrapper:</p>
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Haha thats such a joke "maximum".</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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I agree the PK needs work but

23-6-5

who's better??</p>
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That point has been made, but just like the PK can have a good stretch, even the best offenses can go anemic at times.

This team could totally just continue tearing it up at a 3.7 goal  p/game pace and just steamroll into the post season to be stunted. 


It is cool to see Kane on pace for 100+ points.  </p>

 

[puckjim]

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If you break it down every five games, there were three sets it was over 80.  Unfortunately there were 3 sets under 60.  But when it sarts out 7-16 with a team that doesn't take a lot, it's hard to bring it up.  I don't have to look at BHP Blackhawk chick broke it down 5 games stints.</p>


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I'm not saying it's good but it is skewed to some extent because of the first few games.</p>
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Not really.</p>


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Their PK is running at 74% right now.</p>


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If you take out the first five games, it would be 76%.</p>


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They probably won't be able to move up very far, but hopefully it starts trending upwards.  </p>


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The PK % when the playoffs start is all that matters.</p>

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

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That point has been made, but just like the PK can have a good stretch, even the best offenses can go anemic at times.

This team could totally just continue tearing it up at a 3.7 goal  p/game pace and just steamroll into the post season to be stunted. 


It is cool to see Kane on pace for 100+ points.  </p>
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I still think the team is playing a much more loose style which causes the PK to faulter. I like to imagine that come time March and April they will tighten up their game. </p>


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With the depth on our team, and overall team defense is still looking good I believe 15th in the league. Since the circus trip our defense has improved ten fold. Right now I do not think there is an argument for who is a better team in the league, and being defending champs with everyone gunning for you that says a lot about how good this team is.</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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I still think the team is playing a much more loose style which causes the PK to faulter. I like to imagine that come time March and April they will tighten up their game. </p>


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With the depth on our team, and overall team defense is still looking good I believe 15th in the league. Since the circus trip our defense has improved ten fold. Right now I do not think there is an argument for who is a better team in the league, and being defending champs with everyone gunning for you that says a lot about how good this team is.</p>
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21st in GA (93 goals against).</p>


Not too many 2-1 or 1-0 losses this season.  Most are of the 4-3 variety. 


Since the circus trip, they are 3-2-1, allowing around 2.83 goals/game (the OT is throwing my calculation of GAA off just a tad) while scoring 4.5 goals (tremendous goal support).  The whole season has seen an average (34 games) of 2.74 goals against, so the last six games statistically (in goals against) is a tad worse if we compare the post-circus trip in relation to the rest of the season.


If you go by the last 6 games (post circus trip), it would make the team D very close to the 11-12 team, which had 238 GA.  The six game sample size would put them at just over 232 for an 82 game season.  That isn't good, it's average.

The 10-11 team gave up 225 goals against, and the cup team ('10) had 209 GA (2.54 GAA).


The 2.125 GAA of 2013 was plain amazing, and if it was an 82 game schedule, they would have allowed only 174 GA.


I know they're just numbers, but I find it interesting breaking them all down.

Best current record in the NHL, but 4 more games played than the Blues and Avs. 


The stat that is most telling is the overall goal differential.  The Hawks are currently at +36, which puts them on pace to be +89 for the season (the Blues have the same +36 with 4 fewer games played).  That stat is better than the 2010 cup team (+62), and very close to last years team if you project the 82-game season (+90 projected, the team was a +53 through 48 games).

ccasion-xmas: </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

23-6-5 with the league's 2nd worst PK.</p>


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Times are tough for the Hawks' fan base.</p>

 

[R K]

Paul, your last point is the point I was trying to make.  Maybe not articulate enough.  Hey I'm an ostrich...</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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Paul, your last point is the point I was trying to make.  Maybe not articulate enough.  Hey I'm an ostrich...</p>
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You have a mighty fine ass for an ostrich.</p>