TGDT: 2/7 Blackhawks @ Flames 8:30PM CSN

[PatrickShart]

I thought Leddy is looking better with the puck as well, a bit more confident. What a steal for Barker.

 

[R K]

I don't think he's healthy PMX.

 

[R K]

I thought Leddy is looking better with the puck as well, a bit more confident. What a steal for Barker.

Would like to know what Q's problem with Leddy was last night. More Boynton, Less Leddy? Are you kidding me. Q continues to baffle.

 

[PatrickShart]

Yeah...maybe not healthy, and you know I'm a huge fan, so this isn't a "get rid him/sell him" because I don't think he's good.



I would think then they could look to get a center (if not by trade deadline then in offseason)and move Sharp back to wing. Hoss could be a forward moved to get depth, and a team wanting to go for it could grab him. Krejci/Chara are fellow Czech, Boston is close to getting over the hump, with Pitt and losing Malkin/Sidney...this could be a huge statement for them.

 

[PatrickShart]

I'm in the minority (I know, on a few things) but I don't think the Hawks played that bad at all last night, or in Vancouver - especially not to have any points to show for it. Last nite, the biggest thing I didnt like, were the faceoff losses...I think Kiprusoff and Luongo both stole points away from Chicago.

 

[R K]

Face offs are a huge problem right now. First goal last night was off a face off.



I don't think they played horribly in either game. They were screwed by the official in Vancouver.



Kane and Hossa are playing no where near 100%, but they are playing none the less.

 

[LordKOTL]

Yeah...maybe not healthy, and you know I'm a huge fan, so this isn't a "get rid him/sell him" because I don't think he's good.



I would think then they could look to get a center (if not by trade deadline then in offseason)and move Sharp back to wing. Hoss could be a forward moved to get depth, and a team wanting to go for it could grab him. Krejci/Chara are fellow Slovaks, Boston is close to getting over the hump, with Pitt and losing Malkin/Sidney...this could be a huge statement for them.

Fixed to prevent you from being wounded moderately. Czech ≠ Slovak.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

I don't mind the idea of moving Hossa for salary relief, but you would need at least 2 players who can step in and play right now, and 1 of which would need to be a top six forward. There aren't too many teams out there right now who would give us that or anything close to fair value for him.



Blake Wheeler... I think I'd vomit if I saw that douchebag in a hawks jersey, especially for Hossa

 

[winos5]

Rosenblog



Basically blames the highly paid stars for lack of production.



Jaekel



Basically the cap is handcuffing the Blackhawks and will lead to a similar team and outcome next year and years ahead due to questionable signings and moves.



I guess you could call it "Tool Time"

 

[Tater]

Rosenblog



Basically blames the highly paid stars for lack of production.



Jaekel



Basically the cap is handcuffing the Blackhawks and will lead to a similar team and outcome next year and years ahead due to questionable signings and moves.



I guess you could call it "Tool Time"

So it's not Skille's fault ?!?!

WTF!

 

[supraman]

So it's not Skille's fault ?!?!

WTF!

It is in fact Skille's fault. Because he signed for so cheap the hawks kept him but if he would have demanded more he would have priced himself off the hawks and we would have had someone else. Someone who is not Jack Skille.

 

[R K]

Rosenblog



Basically blames the highly paid stars for lack of production.



Jaekel



Basically the cap is handcuffing the Blackhawks and will lead to a similar team and outcome next year and years ahead due to questionable signings and moves.



I guess you could call it "Tool Time"

Does Jackal the idiot realize that right now, with just extendng brouwer and Seabrook, this team will have 5 mil in cap space next year? Without the TV deal for ESPN if signed? Or is he just a dumb ****. I know, he's a dumb ****.





As far as Rosenidiot, he should just stop. Everyone under the sun has told that ****** he's an idiot.

 

[BigPete]

I get it, no one likes to blame the refs for a loss. The guys didn't score more than the other team...no fucking shit.



BUT, you can't deny what happened at the very end of a tie game that could have gone to overtime and turned out completely in our favor. It was an extremely close game, an egregious penalty was committed (two in fact: cross check and interference by two Flames on Seabrook) and we could have gone back on the powerplay. Instead, the ref fails to call anything and we get put down a man because one of our leaders questioned the ref. Then we go on to lose soundly in the last 90 seconds of the game.



And you don't see how that is directly related to the what the ref did?????????? HUH?



Some of you guys take for granted that this team should not just win every game because of what happened last year or that they have a bunch of talent. They have a lot of problems and don't need the refs making it any harder on them.

 

[R K]

Friday night had A LOT to do with Officiating. Last night, I don't think so much. The no call on Seabrook and subsequent penalty for him bitching, did not cause them to lose the game. Not being able to win face offs did.

 

[the canadian dream]

So the officials are supposed to feel sorry for the Hawks Pete? Is that what you are suggesting? We are supposed to get some pity points because management signed guys like John Scott and gave Boynton a one way contract? I don't understand that part of your argument one bit. Infact I am disappointed that it would come from your mouth. But you are right the team does have some problems. One is not a conspiracy that the officials are out to get us.



You are on these boards. You know how often officials get blamed for loses. So save the "I get it no one likes to blame the officials" lines cause that happens a lot around here. It happens with every fan base. It's a tradition in the NHL.



As for the call at the end of the game. Seabrook didn't "question" the missed call. He yapped and chirped about it for a good long time. You don't do that!!! He was frustrated yes but you have to control that frustration. Those penalties get called all the time. I am def not burning any Seabrook jerseys over it but if anything cost the Hawks the chance to tie up the game it was Seabrook letting the emotions get the best of him. More so the blown powerplays and the crap 1st period and yes faceoffs. How the officials even come up in the conversation is beyond me. There is one thing that was good last night and that was the defense and goalkeeping. Seabs is a part of that. I don't think he had a poor game but I do think it was a bad move at the end of the game.



It's all "what ifs" anyways. Hawks overall just needed to play better. Pretty basic. Sometimes basics are the meat and gravy.

 

[BigPete]

Oh give me a break TCD. I never said they are supposed to feel sorry for us. All I said to Mr. St. Laurant is DO YOUR FUCKING JOB. The Hawks would have been awarded a powerplay and we could have gone to overtime. Instead, he blows TWO calls, gets indignant and locks up the victim. Nice fucking work lawman. You can take your badge and shove it up your ass fuckstick.



Those are the facts. The rest of the 'why we lost' argument is just that. A discussion without a clear end in sight because you could debate every little aspect of our game and that game to infinity and still end up with nothing more profound that what RK just said: we suck in the circle. I would argue we didn't win because we didn't get enough goals because we didn't have any traffic in front of the net and Sharp and Hossa went AWOL again. But I said that already, you just honed in on my gripe about shitty and unmanaged officiating.

 

[the canadian dream]

"They have a lot of problems and don't need the refs making it any harder on them."



That was your quote Pete. Not mine. I guess I read it wrong but it came off as begging for mercy.



You did nail it on the head though. You are right there wasn't enough traffic at Kipper either. There were about 3-4 things that the Hawks did not do well last night. All of which cost them the game. Wasn't one thing it was the accumulation of them all.



I stand by my earlier statements it was not a good effort last night. The effort against Vancouver was fantastic if that team had shown up last night this discussion wouldn't be taking place.



P.S. "could haves" don't equal facts. You are theorizing just as I am about what could have happened if Seabs didn't take the penalty he did. These aren't facts. These are "what ifs" and "could haves'.



Heres the fact..Hawks lost. And if they don't get their shit fully together NOW playoffs aint happening. I don't see other teams taking their foot of the gas.

 

[R K]

100% fact that the NHL Officiating cost us two points in Vancouver. Without DOUBT.



I can't remember a game where the "Officiating" caused a +2 goal differential for one team over the other. Not in my 15 years of attending games weekly.



Last night, the officiating had very little do to with the win/loss. Was the no call big, sure, but the Hawks were already down a goal.



NHL Officiating sucks accross the board. Fact.



I'm also not sure I buy the effort thing either. The Flames are playing excellent hockey right now. 11-3-2 in their last 16 games.



They dictated some of the Hawks play, by their play. Could the Hawks have played better, sure. They can always play better. At no point did they have the lead last night. None.

 

[Larmer83]

What does Kitchen add to this coaching staff? He runs our PK, it fucking sucks. He moves from PK to PP, and our PP starts to suck. Pretty easy to figure out the problem, isn't it? This team has problems and they aren't going to be solved overnight, or with moves at the TDL.

The Hawks PP has been very effective using Kane and Toews on the right side with 19 down low and 88 on the half wall. It has worked with Sharp on the weak side with one-timers from the point and moving low for a back door pass.



Last night the Hawks started the first couple PP's with Kane and Toews working the left side, but still having both right handed shooters Sharp and Seabrook on the point. It pretty much rendered the points useless. On the second unit, Bolland was positioned on the right side as oppossed to the left which again, limits the ability of the PP point men(Keith and Campbell as left-handed shooters).



As the game moved along, they went back to their customary positions. But why do it in the first place? And given the off days, is that how they practiced the PP.



Question of the day by Pez-What does Kitchen add to this coaching staff?

 

[Pez68]

The Hawks PP has been very effective using Kane and Toews on the right side with 19 down low and 88 on the half wall. It has worked with Sharp on the weak side with one-timers from the point and moving low for a back door pass.



Last night the Hawks started the first couple PP's with Kane and Toews working the left side, but still having both right handed shooters Sharp and Seabrook on the point. It pretty much rendered the points useless. On the second unit, Bolland was positioned on the right side as oppossed to the left which again, limits the ability of the PP point men(Keith and Campbell as left-handed shooters).



As the game moved along, they went back to their customary positions. But why do it in the first place? And given the off days, is that how they practiced the PP.



Question of the day by Pez-What does Kitchen add to this coaching staff?

The PP was pathetic last night. I don't understand why they changed it in the first place. A PP goes through an ebb and flow throughout the season. You will be on fire for several games, and then have a few bad games. It's just the law of averages. I personally think Campbell should be on the first PP unit, as we seem to have a lot of trouble gaining the zone with Sharp and Seabrook back there. I also don't understand the rationale behind having two right handed shots on the point... and two left handed shots on the second unit. Typically you want a left and a right handed shot, both working their offhanded side for one timers. Last night we had EVERYONE on their strong side, and pretty much zero option for one timers. Seriously, WHAT THE ****? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Hockey is as much about CONSISTENCY and CHEMISTRY as it is skill. Our coaching staff gives this team zero consistency.



I think Kitchen needs to be gone. He is obviously WAY out of his league here.