TGDT: WCF Game 2 - 5/21 Kings (0) vs. (1) Blackhawks 7:00PM NBCSN

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I'd like to know what's right with Handzus being a second line center/anchor.

 

[the canadian dream]

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I'd like to know what's right with Handzus being a second line center/anchor.</p>
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Who you going to put there instead? Regin or Kruger? Ain't no center depth on this team, hasn't been for a few years. Let's get this through everyones skulls once and for all....SHARP ISN'T PLAYING CENTER NO MATTER HOW MUCH PISSING AND MOANING A FAN MAKES AND HE DOESN'T NEED TO AS HISTORY HAS DICTATED. Everyone got pissed bent out of shape when Bolland was slotted there last year off and on (still won a cup). Everyone got pissy that Sharp didn't play center last year..STILL WON A FUCKING CUP!!! When Regin plays there everyone gets bent out of shape. When Kruger plays there everyone gets bent out of shape. Can't win with the fickle fans and armchair coaches. We don't have a Jeff Carter on this club...but we got strengths in other areas. So tired of this center shit Hawks have proven they can be successful without massive center depth. As many have said when Shaw returns it's going to give the center position a bit more of a jump if he is slotted back to center. Personally I want him there and I think he could do a nice job of covering Jeff Carter if Q wants to look for that match up. We will see. </p>


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Now this isn't directed at anyone on these boards but I hear it out there in the blackhole of wagon fucking jumpers.Too many dumb **** wagon jumping fans don't realize that the system this team plays is based on blueliners controlling the puck, the outlet and the majority of the offensive push. Not fucking centers like some other teams. This team also utilizes its rightwing more than other fucking teams because that is a strength with the Hawks. If wagon jumpers want boner filled center land then they need to be a Pens fans and then they can tell me how great that works out for them. Days of loading up on Centers is long gone unless you want massive holes in other areas because strong second line centers demand a shit load of salary. Welcome to cap world hockey. Every team has position holes..Hawks is up the middle. Plenty of strengths in other areas to make up for it. But everyone just needs to draw attention to the negatives..WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!</p>

 

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A player that can keep up, that's all I want.  If it's Regin, it's Regin, that's better than Handzus. Try Shaw there when he gets back and put Kruger on the third line instead, because that's basically what he's used as anyway, and move Handzus to the fourth. There is no more arguing that having him with Kane isn't a hindrance to his production. That argument is fucking dead as dead, it's blatant.  Why keep hoping for Kane  to try and basically drive that line himself when there are better options?  Not asking for perfection, just something better, which they can do, and at times when they really needed it have done easily. So why wait?  Again, what are we expecting differently to come of that? </p>

 

[the canadian dream]

You will complain when Regin plays there too. He's no better than Handzus as a second line center option in my opinion. Showed in game 2..Regin like the rest of the team was horrible in that 3rd period. Regin isn't any better of an option with or away from the puck. He had a strong game 1 I will agree but back down to earth in game 2. Shaw needs to play center when he returns I think we all agree on that. If he doesn't then I will have a complaint. Until then Hawks really haven't had much of an option up the middle. Kruger plays well with Smith I don't think you break them up (I could care less who plays with them though if its Bollig or not). </p>


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I'm no Handzus fan either...let's make that clear but he does take a shit load of unwarranted abuse from this fan base sometimes. Some deserving some is a complete stretch. His playoffs up to this point hasn't been that bad. Certainly are glaring holes to his game now for sure but he does do a lot of things correctly. His positioning is pretty good when he can actually get there. Maybe Kane needs more help from his left wing just as much if not more so from his center? Anyone ever think that might be an issue? Hawks left wing hasn't exactly been lights out these playoffs (outside of Bickell) or is that Handzus's fault also? Saad shows flashes then falls back to his old soft self..great skater though I'll give him that but one good game every 8 or so isn't cutting it. Sharp? Yah we don't need to get into that. Bollig....eeeerrrrrrr? Left Wing is bad these playoffs outside of Bickell. Im actually amazed the Hawks are in the conference final when I sit back and think about how bad the left wing depth and center depth has been. Probably has a lot to do with Crawford. IMAGINE THAT!!</p>

 

[Tater]

I agree that Shaw should be there, but at least Regin is young and can improve. Zues is on a steep downhill slope.</p>


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Edit: At least Regin hustles.</p>

 

[Ton]

What about Pirri?</p>


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:text-imnewhere:  :banana-tux:  </p>

 

[Pez68]

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Who you going to put there instead? Regin or Kruger? Ain't no center depth on this team, hasn't been for a few years. Let's get this through everyones skulls once and for all....SHARP ISN'T PLAYING CENTER NO MATTER HOW MUCH PISSING AND MOANING A FAN MAKES AND HE DOESN'T NEED TO AS HISTORY HAS DICTATED. Everyone got pissed bent out of shape when Bolland was slotted there last year off and on (still won a cup). Everyone got pissy that Sharp didn't play center last year..STILL WON A FUCKING CUP!!! When Regin plays there everyone gets bent out of shape. When Kruger plays there everyone gets bent out of shape. Can't win with the fickle fans and armchair coaches. We don't have a Jeff Carter on this club...but we got strengths in other areas. So tired of this center shit Hawks have proven they can be successful without massive center depth. As many have said when Shaw returns it's going to give the center position a bit more of a jump if he is slotted back to center. Personally I want him there and I think he could do a nice job of covering Jeff Carter if Q wants to look for that match up. We will see. </p>


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Now this isn't directed at anyone on these boards but I hear it out there in the blackhole of wagon fucking jumpers.Too many dumb **** wagon jumping fans don't realize that the system this team plays is based on blueliners controlling the puck, the outlet and the majority of the offensive push. Not fucking centers like some other teams. This team also utilizes its rightwing more than other fucking teams because that is a strength with the Hawks. If wagon jumpers want boner filled center land then they need to be a Pens fans and then they can tell me how great that works out for them. Days of loading up on Centers is long gone unless you want massive holes in other areas because strong second line centers demand a shit load of salary. Welcome to cap world hockey. Every team has position holes..Hawks is up the middle. Plenty of strengths in other areas to make up for it. But everyone just needs to draw attention to the negatives..WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!</p>
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Settle down TCD.... How do you guys discuss anything if these are the type of reactions we see when talking about something as trivial as hockey and the coaching decisions? It's discussion. If you can't handle people pointing out the negatives along with the positives, you need to take a step back. No team is PERFECT. No COACH is perfect. No PLAYER is perfect. Criticizing the things being done wrong or the negatives is perfectly fucking normal.</p>


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To answer your question? Someone that compliments Kane. Someone that can keep up with him on the rush. Someone who can get to loose pucks in the corners so he doesn't have to. Someone that isn't afraid to throw their weight around, get their nose dirty. Someone who can create space for him. A player pretty much the exact opposite of Michael fucking Handzus.</p>

 

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To me, again, that series clinching play says it all. No way that happens if Handzus is the center during that shift. Regin is basically just a replacement level type player in the league at this point, and he was able to do that. Kane just needs THAT. That's all he really needs, someone who can skate, someone who can do something, anything, with some type of speed. Someone who can give him a chance. Even if he's not particularly good overall or not what you'd normally want or expect out of a second line center. He's better than what Handzus is at this point for that line. Zus has his role, playing with Kane shouldn't be it. They've done it before with Regin and Smith, and, it hasn't been perfect or astounding, it's just been better. That's all I want.</p>


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And it's really not ragging on Handzus, it's Q. Handzus is what he is, no one can fault him for getting old and slow. It's how he's used. That's on the coach.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

Kane is going to be just fine kids. I'm not too concerned about Kane. He has proven time and time again he can play with anyone as his center and even do it himself. It's the guys on the leftwing that struggle with guys like Handzus as their center not Kaner. </p>

 

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What would you characterize his numbers when playing with Handzus? Fine? And if it's the left wingers that we need to worry about, like Sharp (who is second only to Kane in the entire league in playoff goals since 09'), shouldn't that alone be enough of a concern to take him off that line? There's just no defending it anymore.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Settle down TCD.... How do you guys discuss anything if these are the type of reactions we see when talking about something as trivial as hockey and the coaching decisions? It's discussion. If you can't handle people pointing out the negatives along with the positives, you need to take a step back. No team is PERFECT. No COACH is perfect. No PLAYER is perfect. Criticizing the things being done wrong or the negatives is perfectly fucking normal.</p>


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To answer your question? Someone that compliments Kane. Someone that can keep up with him on the rush. Someone who can get to loose pucks in the corners so he doesn't have to. Someone that isn't afraid to throw their weight around, get their nose dirty. Someone who can create space for him. A player pretty much the exact opposite of Michael fucking Handzus.</p>
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"Someone" isn't an answer. I want a roster player on this team that can do that. It's not Regin and it's not Kruger. It's Shaw and again up until the next game Shaw hasn't been an option now has he so what other option has Q had? Break up Kruger and Smith who have been solid or put Regin there and cross the fingers even though at the least Handzus has been playing with Kane through the season and they somewhat know each other well enough. Common sense here is a good thing. There aren't many players in general who can keep up to Kane. Sharp can but you aren't getting the physical attributes you want from a center with Sharp. Maybe 6 years ago..not anymore. Can't win here there is only one real center that can play with Kane on this roster with all the attributes you want and we know who that is...Toews. But then that weird ass Hossa thing happens. Stupid fucking Hossa getting in the way. How dare he.</p>


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Again Kane will be fine it's the left wingers that get left out in the cold with centers like Handzus not Kane. Kane can handle it. Watch the leftwing improve when Shaw gets back along with the center depth..again if Q play him where he should be playing. Losing Shaw was a bigger hit than people thought and it did show in that Minny series and it did show in game 2 in the 3rd period. </p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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What would you characterize his numbers when playing with Handzus? Fine? And if it's the left wingers that we need to worry about, like Sharp (who is second only to Kane in the entire league in playoff goals since 09'), shouldn't that alone be enough of a concern to take him off that line? There's just no defending it anymore.</p>
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Sharp gets bounced from top line to second line through playoff rounds. Tough guy to sample off of I don't have time to go back and see what lines he was on when he was racking up his playoff goals as a center or a lw. He certainly ain't doing it these playoffs as we all know. </p>

 

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"Someone" isn't an answer. I want a roster player on this team that can do that. It's not Regin and it's not Kruger. It's Shaw and again up until the next game Shaw hasn't been an option now has he so what other option has Q had? Break up Kruger and Smith who have been solid or put Regin there and cross the fingers even though at the least Handzus has been playing with Kane through the season and they somewhat know each other well enough. Common sense here is a good thing.</p>
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 Come on, that isn't a reason. And that also isn't using common sense. Because what are you doing other than crossing your fingers when Handzus plays with him? What have we been watching practically the entire season with him and Kane? At this point you're just waaaaiting for the one play where something, anything happens and Handzus does something...out of the ordinary for him, kinda like how some people here react when Bollig resembles somewhat of a NHL player for a few seconds, and then it'll be "SEE! SEE? Dat's why Zus plays there!"  And it hasn't happened yet...all...fucking...year...long.  So I guess keep using that common sense and hoping it'll miraculously change now.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

How is not playing a center who has played with Kane through a bulk of a season compared to playing a center who hasn't played much at all with Kane not common sense? Or a guy who helped the Hawks win a cup last year playing center and within the exact same system over a guy that never existed as a Hawk until late in this years and wouldn't be in these playoffs at all unless Shaw were injured. Same guy that 9/10ths of the fan base wanted to see sent to the farm a couple months ago. No one had even heard about him before and it's not as if he was a rookie or a prospect either.</p>


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Are you guys listening to yourselves? It's Peter Regin we are talking about here!!! Step back and think about that for a moment....please think about it. I really hope there isn't some sort of realistic ideas in your heads that Peter Regin is going to be the answer for Kane and the second line. PLEASE.....stop and think about what you are saying. You guys are funny. You have to be trolling now.</p>


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I'm not trying to defend Handzus hes obvioulsy washed up but I am certainly not in a camp that believes Peter fucking Regin would have been the better option at 2nd line center than Handzus. OIIIII VAAAAIIIIII. At what point do you look at Peter Regin and start thinking to yourselves...theres a better option than Handzus. Seriously when does that moment happen and are you chasing those thoughts with zoloft? Fucking Peter Regin a better option than Handzus. Kill me now please. </p>

 

[puckjim]

Handzus is worthless garbage. It doesn't matter that he's played with Kane the majority of the season. He's sucked at it and he's dragged Kane down. It's not debatable and Quenneville is a fucking idiot for keeping those two together. **** his two 'Cups in four years. It's fucking stupid.


I would play Smith with Kane. The fourth line blows with Bollig on it so breaking it up is just fine.

 

[the canadian dream]

Never said Handzus was good, hes a better option that Regin is all I am saying I didnt know Kane was having a shitty playoffs either and he was being brought down. News to me. </p>


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As for Smith. Hes a better rw than center. Pretty simple.</p>

 

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[Chief Walking Stick]

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[puckjim]

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Never said Handzus was good, hes a better option that Regin is all I am saying I didnt know Kane was having a shitty playoffs either and he was being brought down. News to me. 

 

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But a better center than Handzus. And Regin is absolutely better than Handzus.


Handzus isn't better than anyone. He should have never been re-signed.


That's on Lispy as much as Quenneville.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Regin as Kane's C?!?!


I thought I had heard it all.