The 2 guys that change the culture are Pete Carroll & Vrabel

[hebs]

To witness it happen to your “favorite” team over the last 2 years and still argue against it just because Bears fans say it’s true….

 

[Moses Moreno]

Isn't Pete Carroll the guy that hired Waldron and then gave the Bear a glowing recommendation? There's little to question about his record as a HC but he'd be taking the job of the guy he helped get fired.

I thought this board loved a good conspiracy.

He actually didn't give him a recommendation.

 

[Bearly]

I thought that was normal....give the moron a glowing recommendation to get him off your hands. That's how U of Illinois ended up with Tim Beckman.

Carroll had already left.

 

[Bearly]

He actually didn't give him a recommendation.

INDIANAPOLIS – A discussion with former Seahawks coach Pete Carroll helped convince Bears coach Matt Eberflus to hire Shane Waldron as offensive coordinator.

Waldron came to Bears highly recommended

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

INDIANAPOLIS – A discussion with former Seahawks coach Pete Carroll helped convince Bears coach Matt Eberflus to hire Shane Waldron as offensive coordinator.

Waldron came to Bears highly recommended

Sabotaged the bears just to get a job opening he’s interested in!

 

[playthrough2001]

Sabotaged the bears just to get a job opening he’s interested in!

Playing Chess not Checkers!

 

[Bearly]

Sabotaged the bears just to get a job opening he’s interested in!

Right?

 

[Moses Moreno]

INDIANAPOLIS – A discussion with former Seahawks coach Pete Carroll helped convince Bears coach Matt Eberflus to hire Shane Waldron as offensive coordinator.

Waldron came to Bears highly recommended

Larry Meyer! Thanks for quoting Chicago Bears propaganda, I'm sure the rest of the article has aged extremely well.

Waldron was not going to be retained by Pete if he stayed in Seattle. That's all you need to know about how Pete felt about Waldron.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

So you ignore everything Pete Carroll accomplished because he hired Waldron? You ignore the Super Bowl win, making it to 2 super bowls, 11 winning seasons his last 12 in Seattle, the 97-19 college record with a national championship, all because of Waldron? Stupid, no one hits on every decision. And the Seahawks were pretty good offensively with Waldron, before this season started he was getting credit for the Geno turnaround.

I would rather have Vrabel over Carroll because of age, would rather have either of them over Johnson because of immediate credibility and leadership. We need way more here than an offensive play caller, this team is in complete shambles in every facet.

 

[msadows]

So you ignore everything Pete Carroll accomplished because he hired Waldron? You ignore the Super Bowl win, making it to 2 super bowls, 11 winning seasons his last 12 in Seattle, the 97-19 college record with a national championship, all because of Waldron? Stupid, no one hits on every decision. And the Seahawks were pretty good offensively with Waldron, before this season started he was getting credit for the Geno turnaround.

I would rather have Vrabel over Carroll because of age, would rather have either of them over Johnson because of immediate credibility and leadership. We need way more here than an offensive play caller, this team is in complete shambles in every facet.

I certainly dont ignore his recent poor drafting and the fact he's a dinosaur


If he was 63, sure, but im not trying to hire a guy who will die on the field after a big play.

I do agree with you on johnson, there is no way to know how he would command a locker room considering the has the biggest meatball motivator coach in the entire nfl employing him. Trestman was an x and o genius too, then when the losing started the locker room turned on him quick.

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

The other guy that changes the culture is Flores. Question with him though is does he have enough politician in him to keep him from alienating the whole building — sometimes you take a wrecking ball to something and knockdown a wall or two that was holding up progress. With Flores, you might knock down the whole building —- not good.

Hopefully he has grown and matured from his earlier mistakes of wrecking the whole building while in Miami.

With Ben Johnson, when I see him on the sidelines, he blends in almost too much. Dan Campbell engulfs him and makes him seem almost non-existent —- and that’s not just because of Campbell’s size but his personality as well. I don’t think that is a good sign for BJ since here he would have to be the head man. For instance, Detroit’s DC is small in stature but he is a vocal and physical presence on the sidelines — you notice him and he is commanding. But with BJ, as I said, he blends in. He reminds me of Mark Trestman that way.

Unless you have a certain kind of personality, first time HC's tend to want to people please/fit in, and not come through the door kicking arse -- thus, it’s hard to imagine a guy with BJ's almost recessively laid back personality type plus being a first time HC being bold and brash of enough to change our dysfunctional culture.

 

[dabears70]

 

[Bearly]

Larry Meyer! Thanks for quoting Chicago Bears propaganda, I'm sure the rest of the article has aged extremely well.

Waldron was not going to be retained by Pete if he stayed in Seattle. That's all you need to know about how Pete felt about Waldron.

There is no question that Pete actually spoke to Flus about Waldron before the hire yet you need to disregard facts to advance your agenda, as usual. Though I agree that he should have fired Waldron if he stayed at Seattle, show me one reliable source that he had planned to.

 

[abegibronreborn]

So Campbell had a losing culture for the first year and a half and magically a winning culture once they started winning. Yeah that isn't how it works.

You are looking at the results and mistaking it for the cause.

Campbell transformed the lions from perennial losers into winners, and he did it fast. He's not a one-man show, but he is the guy at the top of the coaching staff, and he created an environment that allowed others to excel.

It can be done. He proved it.


He's also an example of the type of coach the Bears would be loath to hire: Confrontational in-your-face does not set well with the "brain trust" at Halas Hall or McCaskey Manor. They like guys like this:

 

[Moses Moreno]

There is no question that Pete actually spoke to Flus about Waldron before the hire yet you need to disregard facts to advance your agenda, as usual. Though I agree that he should have fired Waldron if he stayed at Seattle, show me one reliable source that he had planned to.

I'm sure they talked too, just it's a hollow conversation.

The dude was a radio guy from Seattle on the Parkins & Speigel show. Very similar to when Dan Dackich (or however you spell that dude's name) went on Waddle & Silvy and said the Colts were going to fire Eberflus - that wasn't reported in the paper media until a few weeks ago in the Dan W story that went after Poles.

Believe what you want - the team is 4-12 for a reason.

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

Last thing on BJ..... there is a reason it is taking a second round of interviews (from last year) for him to figure out how best to interview for a HC position. He did not win anybody over last year. This year, by trial and error he will finally land a HC'ing gig. This says something though - about him. As someone who has served in a role where I hired and fired people before, there are guys that "have it"..... and they have that "it" the moment they walk through the door. They are dynamic, confident, well spoken and assertive. If is it is taking BJ a while to learn those traits, then that means it is not natural to him.

Keep in mind, this is not GB, SF, Baltimore, KC or NE of yesteryear -- well run organizations that can have a guy come in and focus on his narrow lane. This is a mess of an organization. This job needs a culture changer.... a smart guy who will fight for what he wants.

 

[Bearly]

I'm sure they talked too, just it's a hollow conversation.

The dude was a radio guy from Seattle on the Parkins & Speigel show. Very similar to when Dan Dackich (or however you spell that dude's name) went on Waddle & Silvy and said the Colts were going to fire Eberflus - that wasn't reported in the paper media until a few weeks ago in the Dan W story that went after Poles.

Believe what you want - the team is 4-12 for a reason.

Link on that rumor? And the Bears record has jack to do with it. I hated Waldron as much as anyone after a few games. Seattle parting ways with Waldron is very different than their ex head coach giving him a thumbs up to the Bear. Changing the subject is a sure sign of loss.

 

[Canth]

Last thing on BJ..... there is a reason it is taking a second round of interviews (from last year) for him to figure out how best to interview for a HC position. He did not win anybody over last year. This year, by trial and error he will finally land a HC'ing gig. This says something though - about him. As someone who has served in a role where I hired and fired people before, there are guys that "have it"..... and they have that "it" the moment they walk through the door. They are dynamic, confident, well spoken and assertive. If is it is taking BJ a while to learn those traits, then that means it is not natural to him.

Keep in mind, this is not GB, SF, Baltimore, KC or NE of yesteryear -- well run organizations that can have a guy come in and focus on his narrow lane. This is a mess of an organization. This job needs a culture changer.... a smart guy who will fight for what he wants.

I get what you are saying, but despite these rumors from unknown sources, there are the stories that he has basically had 2 job offers in hand the past couple of years and chose to stay as an OC as the better career move for him at that point in time. Last year it was the Washington job and the year before it was the Carolina job if I remember right. At the very least, there were strong indications he could have had those jobs if he wanted them. Obviously the teams will never admit they got anyone but their first choice.

Also, it is basically standard practice in the NFL for their to be an initial round of interviews and then a 2nd set of interviews with a smaller candidate group before a team makes a final decision. So, how the hell is him doing a second round of interviews somehow a bad thing? It means there was interest by the teams. Literally the NFL rules for the HC interview process lay out how teams are allowed to arrange for 1st and 2nd interviews. It's an expected thing.

And if that is not enough, the NFL also changed some of the rules regarding interviews with coaches whose teams are still in the playoffs. If I remember right, that first interview can only be virtual now. That has to have an effect on how well you can really connect with a person.

Also, I don't think there has been much mention of why he didn't interview well. Was it actually a lack of ability to command a room? Was it his preparation for the job? Was he too wordy? Or the opposite, were his answers too short? We have no way of knowing the exact reason for any negative feedback. And depending on which variables were actually the issue, some are more correctable than others.

For example, there has been a knock on Johnson that he may not have as many league wide connections. So, his preparation on how he would actually build up his coaching staff may have been unsatisfactory to some teams. I have read articles before that talked about HC candidates knowing their 1st or 2nd choices for each staff position, but when asked if they can't get those, then what? And not always having that answer. That can be correctable and these 'extra' years as an OC can give him time to make more league wide connections to build a coaching staff when/if he does eventually take a HC position.