The 2012 NBA Playoffs Thread(Game Discussion, News, Rumors)

[Tazer4mvp]

I'll be watching you just never know..stranger things have happened.

 

[Glide2keva]

Pacers had to be the dumbest team that was left in the playoffs. Why on Earth would they choose to jack up so many 3's?

Hibbert and West were nullified because Miami fronted the post every time down the court. Seriously, is that all it took? Also, credit to Miami's defense for disrupting Indy's perimeter offense and forcing them into bad and terrible turnovers. Their defenders stepped up and made things difficult.

Frank Vogel should've had some type of counter for what Miami was doing and maybe he did and his players were just too stupid to execute the plan?

One thing about this series is, D-Wade is back. The sleeping giant is awake.

 

[thechosenone]

To dude that just discovered Hibbert was slow...where the hell have you been? You just discovered that???

I knew he was slow. I just realized HOW slow he is. And yes the centers must move somehow and ask for the ball to get it. It was obvious that the Pacers couldn't find Hibbert and West. But standing still couldn't help. Hibbert had 0 points in the 3rd quarter and 10 points in the game. He should have had 25 at least. Was it Indiana's plan fault? Was it his fault? I will say it was both. And of course I will give all the credit to LeBron and Wade especially to Wade for being somehow automatic in the last 3 games.

Btw I want to explain me how a 7'2" player wasn't the rebounding leader of his team. The ball had a bad plan to find him? Or was he sleeping somehow? Because I don't demand from a Center to score 30 points in every game BUT I demand him to be dominant in rebounding. He just had a bad game while his best guard was Turiaf. And that's why his teammates couldn't find him in the paint. He was hiding instead of asking for the ball.

 

[Uman85]

 

[JosMin]

He takes steroids, lolz

 

[houheffna]

I knew he was slow. I just realized HOW slow he is. And yes the centers must move somehow and ask for the ball to get it. It was obvious that the Pacers couldn't find Hibbert and West. But standing still couldn't help. Hibbert had 0 points in the 3rd quarter and 10 points in the game. He should have had 25 at least. Was it Indiana's plan fault? Was it his fault? I will say it was both. And of course I will give all the credit to LeBron and Wade especially to Wade for being somehow automatic in the last 3 games.

Btw I want to explain me how a 7'2" player wasn't the rebounding leader of his team. The ball had a bad plan to find him? Or was he sleeping somehow? Because I don't demand from a Center to score 30 points in every game BUT I demand him to be dominant in rebounding. He just had a bad game while his best guard was Turiaf. And that's why his teammates couldn't find him in the paint. He was hiding instead of asking for the ball.

Hibbert averaged over 11 boards a game...he did lead the team in rebounding for the series. Yet, you want to build the team around West, who averaged 6.5 rebounds all season?

And show me where a teammate said, "we couldn't find Roy Hibbert"...hiding? Behind who? He is 7'2" tall! He wouldn't have played 40 minutes last night if he wasn't interested in scoring the basketball.

You don't think 20 turnovers were a problem? You don't think not getting the ball to the frontcourt guys when they are shooting 15/24 from the field was a problem? Then you are having a hard time learning NBA basketball.

It was pointed out by game analysts, Van Gundy, Magic, people on this forum, that the players were doing a bad job of handling Miami fronting the post. Everybody gets it but you....

 

[BNB]

ECF is gonna be a breeze for Miami.

The Celtics don't have anyone down low like Hibbert, so the Heat won't have to be worried about getting dominated in the paint. Ray Allen has been awful this post-season and is injured. Paul pierce is also a little banged up. Now they'll be without avery bradley.

Philly's offense is just too bad to keep up with Miami. Their D is good enough to maybe get them one win... but that's it.

It's disappointing. I was hoping for an exciting ECF and WCF with the Bulls out. If the Celtics were completely healthy for the most part, then the ECF could have been interesting.

 

[clonetrooper264]

ECF is gonna be a breeze for Miami.

The Celtics don't have anyone down low like Hibbert, so the Heat won't have to be worried about getting dominated in the paint. Ray Allen has been awful this post-season and is injured. Paul pierce is also a little banged up. Now they'll be without avery bradley.

...Kevin Garnett? He may not be as good, but he's still a threat. He could potentially dominate the Heat big men. I never count Ray Allen out either. He can heat up really fast even if he's been on a horrid streak. I think it will depend a lot on Rondo and how much he can dominate Chalmers. They might need Rondo to start scoring at least 15 a game. :bizarro:

 

[BNB]

...Kevin Garnett? He may not be as good, but he's still a threat. He could potentially dominate the Heat big men. I never count Ray Allen out either. He can heat up really fast even if he's been on a horrid streak. I think it will depend a lot on Rondo and how much he can dominate Chalmers. They might need Rondo to start scoring at least 15 a game. :bizarro:

Kevin Garnett is not gonna dominate the paint though. At this point of his career, he's more of a jump shooter. The majority of his shots this season have come from outside of 16 feet. He's been fantastic this post-season, but if a healthy Bosh comes back this series, he'll counter KG.

I wouldn't count out Ray any other year. But he's been ice cold from 3 this post-season and missed a lot of games before the post-season started.. which is probably why he's been off. So he could get it going against Miami... but Wade's a good defender. And because he's coming off an ankle injury, it's gonna be tough on him to chase Wade around.

 

[thechosenone]

Hibbert averaged over 11 boards a game...he did lead the team in rebounding for the series. Yet, you want to build the team around West, who averaged 6.5 rebounds all season?

And show me where a teammate said, "we couldn't find Roy Hibbert"...hiding? Behind who? He is 7'2" tall! He wouldn't have played 40 minutes last night if he wasn't interested in scoring the basketball.

You don't think 20 turnovers were a problem? You don't think not getting the ball to the frontcourt guys when they are shooting 15/24 from the field was a problem? Then you are having a hard time learning NBA basketball.

It was pointed out by game analysts, Van Gundy, Magic, people on this forum, that the players were doing a bad job of handling Miami fronting the post. Everybody gets it but you....

I am really bored to make a video where you can see what I mean he was hiding. When you want to get the ball and you are 7'2" you just move your lazy ass and ask for it. Hibbert is not what he is supposed to be. Deal with it. For a guy who is supposed to be an all star center he is nothing like this and he is one of the most pathetic tall guys in the league.

And of course they lost because of the 20 turnovers. But who turned the ball over so many times? Hmm let me think. It was Hibbert. Hibbert again failing to be faster than ANTHONY to grab the ball even when he was open. And Barbosa who shouldn't be an NBA player at all.

But if you are OK with what you see and saw last night from Hibbert. I am fine. I am not a Pacers fan. They can keep Hibbert and bet on his laziness. I don't give a **** at all. One more less team for the Bulls to compete.

 

[Tazer4mvp]

Celtics were 3-1 vs the heat this year...Sixers got the goose egg vs heat.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

I hope the Sixers win.

Celtics vs. Heat would be awful for me! The two teams I hate the most!

I really hope the champion comes out of the western conference again!

 

[Axl Rose]

I hope the Sixers win.

Celtics vs. Heat would be awful for me! The two teams I hate the most!

I really hope the champion comes out of the western conference again!

sixers vs heat would be boring tho

sucks either way...should be bulls-heat

 

[Diddy1122]

I knew he was slow. I just realized HOW slow he is. And yes the centers must move somehow and ask for the ball to get it. It was obvious that the Pacers couldn't find Hibbert and West. But standing still couldn't help. Hibbert had 0 points in the 3rd quarter and 10 points in the game. He should have had 25 at least. Was it Indiana's plan fault? Was it his fault? I will say it was both. And of course I will give all the credit to LeBron and Wade especially to Wade for being somehow automatic in the last 3 games.

Btw I want to explain me how a 7'2" player wasn't the rebounding leader of his team. The ball had a bad plan to find him? Or was he sleeping somehow? Because I don't demand from a Center to score 30 points in every game BUT I demand him to be dominant in rebounding. He just had a bad game while his best guard was Turiaf. And that's why his teammates couldn't find him in the paint. He was hiding instead of asking for the ball.

Hibbert wasn't hiding anywhere. :lol:

The Pacers are not very good at entry passes into the post. I've commented about this every time we've played them. Their guards take poor angles to the pass & rarely get the ball to the bigs in a great position to score. Anthony & Turiaf fronted the post the entire game. Hibbert did what he was supposed, which is keeping them on his hip and using his length over them to call for the pass. The passes were often either too late or too low so that they resulted in swatted balls that led to turnovers & easy transition baskets for the Heat.

Not saying Hibbert isn't at fault here as well, because he was awful at creating passing lanes on the pick-n-roll all night, but alot of it had to do with the Pacers ineptitude at post entry passes.

 

[BNB]

Celtics were 3-1 vs the heat this year...Sixers got the goose egg vs heat.

Avery Bradley was big in 2 of those wins. He's out for the playoffs.

And in one of those wins, none of miami's starters played.

Plus it's the regular season.

If Boston wins, they won't win more than 1 game against Miami. Depending on Bosh and when he comes back.

 

[Diddy1122]

Has anyone else noticed how often the Heat play illegal defense? They've been doing it with regularity all season & I've rarely seen them called on it.

 

[Tazer4mvp]

Avery Bradley was big in 2 of those wins. He's out for the playoffs.

And in one of those wins, none of miami's starters played.

Plus it's the regular season.

If Boston wins, they won't win more than 1 game against Miami. Depending on Bosh and when he comes back.

I was no saying Boston was gonna win just pointing out the regular season matchups.

 

[thechosenone]

Miami-Celtics 4-0
Miami-Philly 4-0

If both teams are lucky in one game and the Heat is in a bad day offensively they may win 1. The C's with Brandley would have had great chances to win 1 or 2 for sure. But now? It would be one of the easiest ECF for the Heat.

But the Eastern conference is so weak. Only 2 teams. With the Bulls down it is only one team. Something different than Bulls vs Heat in the ECF would be lame no matter which teams would be there.

 

[thechosenone]

The Pacers' postseason is over in part because Roy Hibbert couldn't get comfortable against Miami.
Hibbert Not A Factor Against Heat

The Pacers just played a team that was missing its best big man. Well, in a sense, the Pacers didn’t have theirs either.

No Chris Bosh for Miami should’ve meant plenty of opportunities for Hibbert, the Pacers’ All-Star center. Instead, he lapsed into the background when the Pacers bowed out Thursday, pretty much as he had all series. He averaged 10 shots a game and 11 points, two below his regular season average.

A mild impact from Hibbert wasn’t the only reason the Pacers lost in six. LeBron James and Dwyane Wade were epic. Yes, that would be the main reason. And the Pacers got sloppy with the ball when Miami turned up the defense; 22 turnovers killed them in Game 6.

And yet, the one area where the Pacers had a solid advantage was inside. With the big fella. With Hibbert in contract mode (he’s a restricted free agent this summer) he had every reason to be amped. But the Pacers never quite found him as much as they should’ve, and when he did have the ball, Hibbert wasn’t terribly dominant. In an elimination game, his Thursday tally said it all: 12 points, eight rebounds and eight shots, the fifth-fewest attempts on the squad.

Hibbert didn’t help his cause with four turnovers Thursday, and besides, he never demanded the ball as much as he should’ve. But then, maybe it shouldn’t have come to that..

Besides Hibbert, David West had his issues. West is the only other low-post presence but the Heat’s Shane Battier, who gives up six inches and about 35 pounds, did a fantastic defensive job on West in Games 4 and 5. With West inconsistent and Hibbert largely missing with the exception of Game 3, the Pacers turned into a transition and jump-shooting team, and that usually doesn’t work in the playoffs or against defensive teams like Miami that can rotate swiftly.

“We had an opportunity to play longer,” said West. “This series was there for the taking. We understand there are growing pains. It’s just not our time yet.”

It’ll be interesting to see what happens next with Hibbert. Will some team come along this summer and offer him in the neighborhood of $12 million or $13 million a season? That’s roughly what Marc Gasol — a first-time All-Star this season like Hibbert — got from the Grizzlies last summer. With a premium on size, don’t be surprised if somebody reached deep in their pocket in an attempt to steal Hibbert away.

Would that price be too rich for Indiana’s blood? The Pacers do have cap room but team president Larry Bird said they aren’t equipped to handle many big contracts because of the small market realities; the Pacers ranked next to last in home attendance this season.

“This season went fast,” Hibbert said.

So did the Pacers. And so did their “advantage.”

Great read. At least I know now I am not blind and that some of you just want to disagree in everything. Even in obvious things. :tongue:

 

[houheffna]

The Pacers' postseason is over in part because Roy Hibbert couldn't get comfortable against Miami.
Hibbert Not A Factor Against Heat



Great read. At least I know now I am not blind and that some of you just want to disagree in everything. Even in obvious things. :tongue:

The difference between you and the writer is that the writer second-guesses himself in the article. You totally ignored that...typical of someone who is wrong most of the time...and can't accept it.