The 2012 NBA Playoffs Thread(Game Discussion, News, Rumors)

[thechosenone]

The difference between me and the writer(not only one writter it was just the first article I found in NBA.com) is that I wrote these things right after the game and the series were over because that's what I saw. And that's what I saw all this year from Hibbert in at least 30 games of the Pacers I watched.

You can read 10000 articles about the exact same thing today and make up your mind on what you saw yesterday. Because "I don't know how the Centers score".

Btw nobody here said that Lebron or Wade wasn't the reason the Heat won the series. I gave them (especially Wade) all the credit. I just said that Hibbert was the reason why the Pacers lost the series.(And their lack of a PG)

In other news:
The lakers are about to amnesty Kobe to make cap room for Howard and Deron.

 

[clonetrooper264]

In other news:
The lakers are about to amnesty Kobe to make cap room for Howard and Deron.

...what?

 

[houheffna]

The difference between me and the writer(not only one writter it was just the first article I found in NBA.com) is that I wrote these things right after the game and the series were over because that's what I saw. And that's what I saw all this year from Hibbert in at least 30 games of the Pacers I watched.

You can read 10000 articles about the exact same thing today and make up your mind on what you saw yesterday. Because "I don't know how the Centers score".

Btw nobody here said that Lebron or Wade wasn't the reason the Heat won the series. I gave them (especially Wade) all the credit. I just said that Hibbert was the reason why the Pacers lost the series.(And their lack of a PG)

In other news:
The lakers are about to amnesty Kobe to make cap room for Howard and Deron.

But you want to build a team around Granger and West...like they didn't f--- up in this series themselves. And West spent most of the series being guarded by a smaller player who does not guard power forwards. You see what you want and ignore what you want...which is why you are giving such crappy analysis of what is going on.

You are more interested in "I told you so" type bullshit than in finding the truth. It was just a week ago you were saying Wade wasn't top5 in the league...because he was playing hurt, how do you feel now? Compare Mr. Paul's numbers to Wade's lately? You didn't even bother to notice WHY he wasn't playing up to par. Then you stated that the Heat were no good because they scored 75points in a game. When I pointed out to you that the Bulls had done similar, including against the Heat over the last year...you were silent.

Trying to bend and twist the truth to mirror your twisted logic is laughable.

 

[Bear06]

I hope the Sixers win.

Celtics vs. Heat would be awful for me! The two teams I hate the most!

I really hope the champion comes out of the western conference again!

I hope the Celtics win because they can beat the Heat, the Sixers would get swept by the Heat.

 

[thechosenone]

But you want to build a team around Granger and West...like they didn't f--- up in this series themselves. And West spent most of the series being guarded by a smaller player who does not guard power forwards. You see what you want and ignore what you want...which is why you are giving such crappy analysis of what is going on.

You are more interested in "I told you so" type bullshit than in finding the truth. It was just a week ago you were saying Wade wasn't top5 in the league...because he was playing hurt, how do you feel now? Compare Mr. Paul's numbers to Wade's lately? You didn't even bother to notice WHY he wasn't playing up to par. Then you stated that the Heat were no good because they scored 75points in a game. When I pointed out to you that the Bulls had done similar, including against the Heat over the last year...you were silent.

Trying to bend and twist the truth to mirror your twisted logic is laughable.

Look. I didn's say that West was too good in this game. And I didn't say to keep West as the leader of this team. It is just that Hibbert's value is very higher than West and they really can get something good out of him. West is West. He is what he is and that's what you expect from him. Hibbert is a 7'2" guy. You expect from him to be a beast, you expect from him to be dominant. He is not. And he is not a kid anymore. He will be 26 next year. So you can trade him for somebody who can turn out to be more useful in games against good teams. And I would never judge a player from a bad game or a bad series. Hibbert is what you saw in this series this year. In every game against a decent team he was a non factor.

Also I don't find it good to repeat our debates in every debate. Wade was voted as 3rd all NBA team this year. I believe that this is lower than top5 player. No need to talk more about Wade. I didn't say he is not a great player. I just don't consider him a top5 player anymore. Actually I consider him as a top10 player. Not as 3rd all NBA team. What is difficult to understand?

And when did I say that the Bulls were a better team than the Heat last year? The Bulls were a better team than the Heat THIS year. I believe that the Bulls were robbed last year from the refs but 1 or 2 wins robbed not series robbed. It should have ended 4-2 or 4-3. No debate on the Heat being a better team than the Bulls last year. Of course a team that can be kept to 75 points is vulnerable. The Bulls were vulnerable last year. The Heat is this year and the thunder is this year too. I don't care if this team is the Heat or the Thunder or the Bulls. If a team can keep them so low then they can be beaten for sure.

 

[bleacherbum54]

But you want to build a team around Granger and West...like they didn't f--- up in this series themselves. And West spent most of the series being guarded by a smaller player who does not guard power forwards. You see what you want and ignore what you want...which is why you are giving such crappy analysis of what is going on.

You are more interested in "I told you so" type bullshit than in finding the truth. It was just a week ago you were saying Wade wasn't top5 in the league...because he was playing hurt, how do you feel now? Compare Mr. Paul's numbers to Wade's lately? You didn't even bother to notice WHY he wasn't playing up to par. Then you stated that the Heat were no good because they scored 75points in a game. When I pointed out to you that the Bulls had done similar, including against the Heat over the last year...you were silent.

Trying to bend and twist the truth to mirror your twisted logic is laughable.

the gameplan was poor Granger chucking up 3s isn't the recipe to beat the Heat and for some reason we forgot about our advantage our size. If I was Vogel I would of made the team walk the ball up the court and feed the paint every time. If you aren't gonna do that you cant beat them especially considering how Vogel put Hibbert in a terrible place on defense main reason LBJ and Wade got to the rim at will was the high PnR which Hibbert just cant defend.

 

[BNB]

commas and periods are free to use.

 

[BNB]

clutch shots from Rondo

 

[houheffna]

Look. I didn's say that West was too good in this game. And I didn't say to keep West as the leader of this team. It is just that Hibbert's value is very higher than West and they really can get something good out of him. West is West. He is what he is and that's what you expect from him. Hibbert is a 7'2" guy. You expect from him to be a beast, you expect from him to be dominant. He is not. And he is not a kid anymore. He will be 26 next year. So you can trade him for somebody who can turn out to be more useful in games against good teams. And I would never judge a player from a bad game or a bad series. Hibbert is what you saw in this series this year. In every game against a decent team he was a non factor.

Also I don't find it good to repeat our debates in every debate. Wade was voted as 3rd all NBA team this year. I believe that this is lower than top5 player. No need to talk more about Wade. I didn't say he is not a great player. I just don't consider him a top5 player anymore. Actually I consider him as a top10 player. Not as 3rd all NBA team. What is difficult to understand?

And when did I say that the Bulls were a better team than the Heat last year? The Bulls were a better team than the Heat THIS year. I believe that the Bulls were robbed last year from the refs but 1 or 2 wins robbed not series robbed. It should have ended 4-2 or 4-3. No debate on the Heat being a better team than the Bulls last year. Of course a team that can be kept to 75 points is vulnerable. The Bulls were vulnerable last year. The Heat is this year and the thunder is this year too. I don't care if this team is the Heat or the Thunder or the Bulls. If a team can keep them so low then they can be beaten for sure.

Makes no sense...you said in an earlier post that you would build around Granger and West and trade Hibbert...who you now say has more value than West. But you keep the least valuable player because in your opinion Hibbert had such a poor series he should be traded. Never mind the fact that this is the worst era in NBA history when it comes to the amount of competent big men in the league.

Never mind that the guy is in his fourth season. Never mind that he still has room and opportunity for growth...trade him....

Big men are at a premium at this point, Hibbert is 7'2" tall with skill and potential. Will he be a great player? Doubt it, but he can be an important piece to a great team.

And 2 of those boxscores I posted were from THIS SEASON. As seen in the playoffs, all of these improvements just wasn't there. It is what is is...

 

[thechosenone]

Makes no sense...you said in an earlier post that you would build around Granger and West and trade Hibbert...who you now say has more value than West. But you keep the least valuable player because in your opinion Hibbert had such a poor series he should be traded. Never mind the fact that this is the worst era in NBA history when it comes to the amount of competent big men in the league.

Never mind that the guy is in his fourth season. Never mind that he still has room and opportunity for growth...trade him....

Big men are at a premium at this point, Hibbert is 7'2" tall with skill and potential. Will he be a great player? Doubt it, but he can be an important piece to a great team.

And 2 of those boxscores I posted were from THIS SEASON. As seen in the playoffs, all of these improvements just wasn't there. It is what is is...

huh? Of course Hibbert has more value than West. He is an all star player. And he is a 7'2" player. Many teams would trade for a big guy like Hibbert. You keep the least valuable player because by trading Hibbert you can get back a much more valuable player than Hibbert and than West. By trading West what can you get back?

Also I said I never judge a player from a bad series..
Also the guy who is in the 4th season is 26 years old. Do you believe that it is something easy for a big guy to improve so much? If yes, tell this to Howard. Hibbert should have been a beast by now. And he is a lost bet IMO. He will be a 15M contract player who will never deliver what he is paid for.

And what the hell are you talking about the Bulls? Yes of course without Rose and Noah all these improvements wasn't there. If you expected to beat a playoff team with an injured CJ Watson and Asik as starters then.. I don't know what to say. Just take out of ANY team their best player and their best big guy(in other words their best offensive player and their best defensive player) and if they win a series against any team bite me. Only the fact that the Bulls could have won the series without Rose and Noah shows how good this team was.

 

[houheffna]

huh? Of course Hibbert has more value than West. He is an all star player. And he is a 7'2" player. Many teams would trade for a big guy like Hibbert. You keep the least valuable player because by trading Hibbert you can get back a much more valuable player than Hibbert and than West. By trading West what can you get back?

Also I said I never judge a player from a bad series..
Also the guy who is in the 4th season is 26 years old. Do you believe that it is something easy for a big guy to improve so much? If yes, tell this to Howard. Hibbert should have been a beast by now. And he is a lost bet IMO. He will be a 15M contract player who will never deliver what he is paid for.

And what the hell are you talking about the Bulls? Yes of course without Rose and Noah all these improvements wasn't there. If you expected to beat a playoff team with an injured CJ Watson and Asik as starters then.. I don't know what to say. Just take out of ANY team their best player and their best big guy(in other words their best offensive player and their best defensive player) and if they win a series against any team bite me. Only the fact that the Bulls could have won the series without Rose and Noah shows how good this team was.

This is just silly...but help me to understand...you trade a 25 year old player...in his 4th season...because "he should be a beast by now"? What? HE WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE A BEAST! A guy over 7 feet tall drafted number 17 is supposed to be a beast? Where do you get that from?

When at Georgetown, he was out of shape...he didn't even know how to run! He learned the fundamentals of the game slowly and is still learning. Tim Duncan works with him in the offseason, and he continues to refine his game. Trading him is a dumb ass idea...something you hype up to support a lame theorem about the team. The Pacers lost to a better team, you are all over the place.

But for the record, teams don't trade 25 year old big men who are improving and could be an allstar at a position that is very weak league wide...unless you are getting another big man in return. And who the hell are the Pacers going to get back that would replace Hibbert? Do you even think about stuff like that? I doubt it.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

F A C T S A R E A S T U B B O R N T H I N G :beerbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v9prVDvr5o

 

[JosMin]

Really excited about this Thunder/Spurs series. You've got a Hall of Fame coach, one of the ten best players of all-time, two other potential Hall of Fame players and a fantastic supporting cast versus the best young trio we've seen in ages, two fantastic defensive big men and a bench mixed with young guns and veteran big men.

I hope for the sake of the NBA this series goes 7 games.

 

[thechosenone]

And who the hell are the Pacers going to get back that would replace Hibbert? Do you even think about stuff like that? I doubt it.

I wrote it 2 or 3 times.

Greg Monroe.

But here is a small list of players:

Al Jefferson
Marc Gasol
Marcin Gortat
Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Nikola Pekovic
Andrew Bogut

I don't know how or who of them can be traded wwith Hibbert but after signing Hibbert I would give it a try. Imo whoever they get from the above players would be instant improvement for them. No need to wait till Hibbert become a better player. Also I don't know Hibbert's life story. But he still don't know to run. And when did I say that the Pacers are not a good team. They are not a championship caliber team. Compared to the Bulls or the Spurs or the Thunder or the Heat they suck. But they can become a championship caliber team. IMO (and this is my opinion you must understand it sometime. I may be wrong. This is MY OPINION. Nothing more.) they must find a solid PG. Steve Nash or Eric Gordon? Idk. And they must find a more consistent C who can run the floor faster than Hibbert, who can pass better than Hibbert and who can be more dominant and active than Hibbert in the paint. Because if they wait for Hibbert to become better they may wait for a long time, they may never get what they needed from him and his contract may be a problem in the future.

 

[houheffna]

I wrote it 2 or 3 times.

Greg Monroe.

But here is a small list of players:

Al Jefferson
Marc Gasol
Marcin Gortat
Tyson Chandler
Brook Lopez
Nikola Pekovic
Andrew Bogut

Lol at the Pacers trading Hibbert for Pekovic and being a better team...sad. Monroe is a building block for Detroit, why would they want to get rid of him...he's 21! Chandler cannot score the ball, and the Pacers don't become title contenders by getting Tyson Chandler. Give me a break.

They can pay Hibbert the same amount of money as Noah potentially, and he already has a post game to start with. He can rebound and he can score and will most likely get better. NBA big men TAKE LONGER TO REACH THEIR PEAK THAN OTHER PLAYERS...very few max out at 24, 25 years old. That is just asinine.

Bringing Pekovic into the conversation is just...you have to be kidding me. Just painful to read.

 

[thechosenone]

It's painfull just because you haven't watch Pekovic.

But you are right. Pekovic is a beast. Nothing like Hibbert. Wolves wouldn't trade him for Hibbert for no reason. When they decided to give him more time they became a playoff team and they would have made the playoffs if Pekovic wasn't injured. I am sure they want to give him a full season now and there is no chance they trade him. But I said the Pacers should give it a try. Most of them may not be traded for Hibbert but someone might.

Chandler can't score a lot just like Hibbert. They won't get more points out of him. But he brings more energy in the game. He can defend well. He can rebound well. He brings experience in the game. And he is a more ready player than Hibbert.

 

[Axl Rose]

fisher is goin off

 

[thechosenone]

Great game so far!

 

[Bear06]

My Spurs are too much for the overrated OKC.

 

[thechosenone]

Great game! Manu took his gun!