The argument for Fields NOT being "Elite" and keeping him anyway.

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729850990751260851

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

It's not a hard concept. Keep Trading very high first round picks to stock up your roster and always include a pick for the following year.

When you get to a year where you find a quarterback you like you can sell the farm and trade up both your first round picks to go get them.

The reality is you want one of the two overhyped quarterbacks and you're trying to make it sound like you don't in order to undermine the argument to keep Justin fields. When I talk about people being disingenuous in the argument for or against fields , you are that type of disingenuous person I'm talking about.

If this imaginary future QB is so great why are teams letting you trade for him? You’re basing your entire strategy on the HOPE another team will allow it. And it cost the Panthers a lot more than 2 firsts to make their trade. This is Madden level shit here.

Also you’re a fucking idiot for the last paragraph.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

 

[PhilEBuster]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729850990751260851

Who is “Patrick Sheldon” and why in the world does he think Luke Getsy’s gonna be here designing a new offense next year? Getsy might not last till next Tuesday . . .

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729828724042760250

 

[inchibearfan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729828724042760250

I did not realize Orlovsky wrote for the Onion.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730028970525991285

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I did not realize Orlovsky wrote for the Onion.

I'll Trust someone who's played the position in the NFL's opinion over a smart-ass internet nobody. Just saying

 

[inchibearfan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730028970525991285

Is Johnson saying the Bears wanted to move on from Fields in 2022, year 2?

 

[inchibearfan]

I'll Trust someone who's played the position in the NFL's opinion over a smart-ass internet nobody. Just saying

Is this the same Orlovsky?:

There’s a growing feeling that Buffalo Bills quarterback Mitchell Trubisky will skip town soon.

A pending free agent, Trubisky likely wants to try and get back on a team where he can be a starter. That’s no offense to Buffalo, but with the Bills, he was never going to be more than a backup for Josh Allen.

Among those who think Trubisky should get another shot at being a QB1 is ESPN’s Dan Orlovsky.

Taking to his social media account via Twitter this week, the former QB himself kept it simple. Trubisky should start:

ESPN's Dan Orlovsky: Bills' Mitchell Trubisky is a starter

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Is this the same Orlovsky?:

You think he's the only one?

Chase Daniel, Brian Baldinger, Lance briggs, Alex brown, Keyshawn Johnson, JT OSullivan, Peter king, Adam rank, and honestly I could go on and on.

There's a ton of people who covered the sport or played the sport who say build around fields.

So what? You're going to try to find something all of them said you disagree with in order to try to discredit them? Like that erases their careers either playing or covering football?

Bro how insecure are you?

 

[RiDLer80]

I think you can win with Fields, but not with this coaching staff. We all can agree Getsy is trash bags. Eberflus is an excellent DC; I can't lie. However, Eberflus the HC is a coward and a liability. He will lose you games by playing not to lose.

I would much rather we continue to build the roster and shitcan the coaching staff. Looking around the league, aside from Stroud, a lot of the young, successful QBs had pretty good rosters around them when they were drafted.

• Philly had a Superbowl roster when they drafted Hurts--just had to add AJ Brown. They won 9 games the season before they drafted him, but a lot of that core is still there now.
• San Fran's roster was stacked and Purdy is thriving with those weapons. They won 10 games the season before he was drafted
• Seattle won 10 games the season before Russell Wilson was drafted
• Baltimore won 9 games the season before they drafted Lamar Jackson
• The Chargers only won 5 games the season before Herbert was drafted, but it is widely acknowledged they were a supremely talented, but underachieving team. They had players like Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Eckler, Melvin Gordon, Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Derwin James...etc
• The Chiefs won 12 games the year before Mahomes. Yes, he is a superb player, however, he was put in an excellent situation. KC was picking 27th before they traded up to get him.

You can go far by building a complete roster and accentuating it with good coaching. Denver's talented roster carried Peyton Manning's carcass to his second Superbowl, the Rams got there with Jared Goff, San Fran took Jimmy G and Colin Kaepernick to Superbowls recently. Joe Flacco had a magical run with Baltimore, but he's nothing special at all.

It can be done.

 

[Trayhezy]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729877779074970064

For all the talk about Justin's flaws, this is the primary fix that needs to be made for him to develop.

No quarterback and I mean NO quarterback functions well with consistent pressure in the middle. Not Brady, Not Brees, none of them.

You can not really evaluate his development without this fix. Between Patrick and Whitehair it seems obvious that he doesnt trust what is in front of him. He often bails prematurely because he doesnt trust his interior line to hold.

He trusts his legs to make a play more than he trusts standing in the pocket. He may never get that right but you cant say for sure when his center is rated 35th.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729877779074970064

For all the talk about Justin's flaws, this is the primary fix that needs to be made for him to develop.

No quarterback and I mean NO quarterback functions well with consistent pressure in the middle. Not Brady, Not Brees, none of them.

You can not really evaluate his development without this fix. Between Patrick and Whitehair it seems obvious that he doesnt trust what is in front of him. He often bails prematurely because he doesnt trust his interior line to hold.

He trusts his legs to make a play more than he trusts standing in the pocket. He may never get that right but you cant say for sure when his center is rated 35th.

I've been screaming this from the rooftops for YEARS, even pre-fields.

Sad part is, the center position looked best with Feeney in. Then they put Patrick back in there....

 

[Discus fish salesman]

If this imaginary future QB is so great why are teams letting you trade for him? You’re basing your entire strategy on the HOPE another team will allow it. And it cost the Panthers a lot more than 2 firsts to make their trade. This is Madden level shit here.

Also you’re a fucking idiot for the last paragraph.

HERES THE THING,

He doesn't know what he's talking about. He wants the bears to do exactly what they did last year (in preparation for what they knew was a loaded draft class this year). So abandon their previous plan that somehow is actually working perfectly as they are lined up with the #1 pick in a very deep qb class.

The idea of trading up in the future for a qb you identify as the guy is also illogical, as 9 times out of 10 the team in that pick needs a qb and isn't trading him regardless.

His tweet from orlovsky several posts up basically says fields is a top 25 qb as if that is a reason to keep him.

I've typically been a pretty big fields homer, but mjy is too big of a moron to even understand the nuance behind why they would keep fields and the actual likelihood of it happening.

I also noticed @Mighty Joe Young learned a new term in 12 personnel (likely from someone else's tweet) that he has been throwing around left and right, again with no actual understanding or meaning behind what he's saying. This guy is a blowhard rėtard and I look forward to mocking him relentlessly when several of these qbs in the upcoming draft end up very good. Can't wait for fatbacks next alt

 

[Bust]

Mad Dog ranting the Chicago Bears have 5 primetime slots, lol

"nobody in america wants to watch the Bears" Ouch!@

Poor Justin and the Bears. No respect

ouch

 

[Dstone5553]

He said he thinks he played alright and followed that up by mentioning the throws he missed and the fumbles.

Okay, so retract my post please.

 

[Dstone5553]

You must not watch a lot of games, I see all QB's miss as many or more wide open receivers as JF does, really. Watch some games
or open your eyes.

QBs do miss wide open receivers, even good QBs. Fields must be towards the top though of missing wide open receivers. The ball sails on him so many freaking times.

 

[Sculpt]

The problem here is that while you are making it sound very innocent, what you are suggesting simply isn't done. The Texans aren't going to go out and draft another first round quarterback to backup CJ Stroud in the name of setting up their quarterback room. No NFL team is going to do that.

And comparatively speaking, the quarterback room is pretty well set already for the Bears. You have at a bare minimum a good quarterback in Justin Fields who needs a better offensive system and more weapons and a backup who was able to pull out winning two games for you out of four which as far as NFL backups go is absolutely excellent.

Not trying to be a jerk here, but it just sounds like you're trying to find a backdoor argument to sneak in Caleb Williams or Drake Maye because you're a fan of them. If that's not it I apologize but what you're suggesting is so against NFL conventional wisdom that it comes off like that.

Good discussion MJY. I like to hear the other side. We'll have to disagree.

I say you're stuck in the Ole Bears QB Mentality... not valuing the most important position.

15 different starting QBs in 9 years and 55 - 87 record.

Bottomline as of today: Justin Fileds is not consistent. Foolish to plan to build on that.

Draft the best QB. Keep Fields. Let them compete to start. Keep going till Bears have a consistently good starting QB. That's how you win in the NFL.

 

[PhilEBuster]

Good discussion MJY. I like to hear the other side. We'll have to disagree.

I say you're stuck in the Ole Bears QB Mentality... not valuing the most important position.

15 different starting QBs in 9 years and 55 - 87 record.

Bottomline as of today: Justin Fileds is not consistent. Foolish to plan to build on that.

Draft the best QB. Keep Fields. Let them compete to start. Keep going to you have a consistent good starting QB. That's how you win in the NFL.

Excellent, excellent suggestion . . .