The argument for Fields NOT being "Elite" and keeping him anyway.

[bamainatlanta]

Crazy if Bears win the DEN and DET games they're 6-6 and in the hunt for playoffs rn.

Defense has been impressive.

Fields, outside of the highlight reel TD runs, has generally been better than last season.

CHI will probably have pick 6-10 and pick 1-3. If you end up pick #1 and pick #8 rn I'm probably keeping Fields, taking MHJ #1, and then getting best OL available at #8 tbh.

If Braxton keeps playing well, then take DT Newton. Add a DE in FA and the DL is set.

Get a veteran swing tackle in FA and a C in the draft along with a veteran FA C too.

 

[KittiesKorner]

No FA RT?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

No FA RT?

The worst thing about Darnell Wright is now we can’t talk about FA RTs this year.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

You claim to watch a ton of football every weekend and you would have to check to see if Hurts has a better record than Fields?

Read carefully, Eagles would have same or more wins with Fields than Hurts, JF is better given equal talent on the team.
Drop Hurts into Chicago and his record would be worse than Fields since he isn't as good w/o the roster talent.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

He said he thinks he played alright and followed that up by mentioning the throws he missed and the fumbles.

It's called being humble and a leader, something you lack.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Read carefully, Eagles would have same or more wins with Fields than Hurts, JF is better given equal talent on the team.
Drop Hurts into Chicago and his record would be worse than Fields since he isn't as good w/o the roster talent.

Maybe you should re-read what he said and your initial comment. Have you been checked for CTE?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Good discussion MJY. I like to hear the other side. We'll have to disagree.

I say you're stuck in the Ole Bears QB Mentality... not valuing the most important position.

15 different starting QBs in 9 years and 55 - 87 record.

Bottomline as of today: Justin Fileds is not consistent. Foolish to plan to build on that.

Draft the best QB. Keep Fields. Let them compete to start. Keep going to you have a consistent good starting QB. That's how you win in the NFL.

I may disagree with your take, but I appreciate your willingness to stand by it without needing to drag someone else down to justify it.

Indeed - fun discussion.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I've heard this take before, from Olin Kreutz.

Here's the issue with it. By drafting a QB who may not be your answer, if Fields outplays him, you took a pick you could have used to get another absolute haul for, and spent it on the QB.

I would argue that the haul the number 1 overall pick brings back is more important than a QB in this case, because if Poles can land another draft like the one he just did, there is no reason the Bears shouldn't be competing for a playoff spot next year.

You are better off getting a haul and building around Fields - just make sure whatever haul you get, you get a 2025 1st round pick back - that keeps the powder dry and allows a pivot from Fields to a QB in 2025.

Agreed, my plan as well.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Maybe you should re-read what he said and your initial comment. Have you been checked for CTE?

What is CTE? is it contagious?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Bottomline as of today: Justin Fileds is not consistent. Foolish to plan to build on that.

Draft the best QB. Keep Fields. Let them compete to start. Keep going to you have a consistent good starting QB. That's how you win in the NFL.

I wanted to respond directly to this part.

Jalen Hurts was inconsistent. They built around him and by having better players around him, be became more consistent.
Tua was inconsistent. By Brian Flores being fired and a good offensive mind in Mike McDaniel being hired, he was given better coaching and became consistent.
Josh Allen was inconsistent at first. Bills surrounded him with talent and he became a lot more consistent.
Pat Mahomes was consistently amazing. This year under Nagy and with lesser receivers, that consistency is gone and now he only flashes in fits and starts.

Fields has had horrible coaching his entire career, a horrible offensive line most of his career, and has only ever had 2 legit receiving threats at a time and none that scare any opponents until this year.

The inconsistency can be explained, and looking at examples on other teams at how important both coaching and talent is to a QB's consistency, we also have a blueprint on fixing those consistency issues.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I think you can win with Fields, but not with this coaching staff. We all can agree Getsy is trash bags. Eberflus is an excellent DC; I can't lie. However, Eberflus the HC is a coward and a liability. He will lose you games by playing not to lose.

I would much rather we continue to build the roster and shitcan the coaching staff. Looking around the league, aside from Stroud, a lot of the young, successful QBs had pretty good rosters around them when they were drafted.

• Philly had a Superbowl roster when they drafted Hurts--just had to add AJ Brown. They won 9 games the season before they drafted him, but a lot of that core is still there now.
• San Fran's roster was stacked and Purdy is thriving with those weapons. They won 10 games the season before he was drafted
• Seattle won 10 games the season before Russell Wilson was drafted
• Baltimore won 9 games the season before they drafted Lamar Jackson
• The Chargers only won 5 games the season before Herbert was drafted, but it is widely acknowledged they were a supremely talented, but underachieving team. They had players like Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Eckler, Melvin Gordon, Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram, Derwin James...etc
• The Chiefs won 12 games the year before Mahomes. Yes, he is a superb player, however, he was put in an excellent situation. KC was picking 27th before they traded up to get him.

You can go far by building a complete roster and accentuating it with good coaching. Denver's talented roster carried Peyton Manning's carcass to his second Superbowl, the Rams got there with Jared Goff, San Fran took Jimmy G and Colin Kaepernick to Superbowls recently. Joe Flacco had a magical run with Baltimore, but he's nothing special at all.

It can be done.

Good post.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I wanted to respond directly to this part.

Jalen Hurts was inconsistent. They built around him and by having better players around him, be became more consistent.
Tua was inconsistent. By Brian Flores being fired and a good offensive mind in Mike McDaniel being hired, he was given better coaching and became consistent.
Josh Allen was inconsistent at first. Bills surrounded him with talent and he became a lot more consistent.
Pat Mahomes was consistently amazing. This year under Nagy and with lesser receivers, that consistency is gone and now he only flashes in fits and starts.

Fields has had horrible coaching his entire career, a horrible offensive line most of his career, and has only ever had 2 legit receiving threats at a time and none that scare any opponents until this year.

The inconsistency can be explained, and looking at examples on other teams at how important both coaching and talent is to a QB's consistency, we also have a blueprint on fixing those consistency issues.

Can you ever not write a novel Jesus christ. Wrap your bad football (that you don't even watch) thoughts up.

 

[HeHateMe]

Can you ever not write a novel Jesus christ. Wrap your bad football (that you don't even watch) thoughts up.

If he does that people might not take him seriously though

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

If he does that people might not take him seriously though

Will there be 11 or 12 personnel at ur house when I'm over for the B-HAWKS game on Sunday afternoon?

 

[HeHateMe]

Will there be 11 or 12 personnel at ur house when I'm over for the B-HAWKS game on Sunday afternoon?

Both and they will be doing screens in the front yard. Do you know what those look like?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Both and they will be doing screens in the front yard. Do you know what those look like?

It depends on the run pro. Do you know how the Steelers OL has been this year?

 

[HeHateMe]

It depends on the run pro. Do you know how the Steelers OL has been this year?

The steelers really know how to draft!!!

 

[Discus fish salesman]

The steelers really know how to draft!!!

Any chance bears can get a wr from the loaded chiefs wr room?

 

[dennehy]

Read carefully, Eagles would have same or more wins with Fields than Hurts, JF is better given equal talent on the team.
Drop Hurts into Chicago and his record would be worse than Fields since he isn't as good w/o the roster talent.

That's not what you wrote. And there's no way to actually tell that from watching football, dumbass.

 

[Sculpt]

I wanted to respond directly to this part.

Jalen Hurts was inconsistent. They built around him and by having better players around him, be became more consistent.
Tua was inconsistent. By Brian Flores being fired and a good offensive mind in Mike McDaniel being hired, he was given better coaching and became consistent.
Josh Allen was inconsistent at first. Bills surrounded him with talent and he became a lot more consistent.
Pat Mahomes was consistently amazing. This year under Nagy and with lesser receivers, that consistency is gone and now he only flashes in fits and starts.

Fields has had horrible coaching his entire career, a horrible offensive line most of his career, and has only ever had 2 legit receiving threats at a time and none that scare any opponents until this year.

The inconsistency can be explained, and looking at examples on other teams at how important both coaching and talent is to a QB's consistency, we also have a blueprint on fixing those consistency issues.

I think we can agree on one thing: There's 5 games left...

I hope Fields kicks ass and stays consistent throughout. I hope Bears dominate every game.

IF that happens, I'd be cool with skipping a QB at #1. Bagent qualifies as an intriguing backup to develop behind Fields.