The argument for Fields NOT being "Elite" and keeping him anyway.

[HeHateMe]

First off, what about my post is making you angry? I'm defending Fields by giving a more accurate description of what he said post game since that other poster was lying out of his ass.

Secondly, im not humble but i am a leader IRL and on CCS. As crybaby @dabears70 about all of my followers, dumbass.

Any and the Losers?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I don't think we'll get the chance to see Fields with good coaching in Chicago. I think with good coaching he could be as good as Hurts, Tua, Allen, Lawrence, etc. Unfortunately, he's had Matt Nagy and Luke Getsy.

Look at the improvement some young QBs had when they got a good offensive mind with them:

Tua went from 2,653 yds, 16 TDs, 10 Ints, 90.1 rating with Flores to 3,548 yds, 25 TDs, 8 Ints, 105.5 rating with McDaniel
Lawrence went from 3,641 yds, 12 TDs, 17 Ints, 71.9 rating with Meyer to 4,113 yds, 25 TDs, 8 Ints, 95.2 rating with Pederson
Mahomes currently has his lowest rating since his rookie year with Matt Nagy in his ear.

Coaching matters and the Bears don't have good coaching. It's hurting Fields development. Hopefully he goes to a team that prioritizes their QB with a good offensive mind so we can see his full potential.

If Poles allows Fields to go to another team and succeed, he gets fired.

Remember, getting a franchise level quarterback and getting him the pieces and coaching he needs to thrive is HIS job.

If Fields succeeds elsewhere, that's tacit proof Poles is the wrong person for the job. Fans who want Fields to have success elsewhere don't get that.

If you think Fields can find it elsewhere, then demand the GM does right by Fields so he can find it HERE.

 

[Myk]

I say what I said when getting him, we have 4 years to get an offense. We didn't so he's here on a cheap rookie contract rental.

If you're wanting new coaches and you have a #1 pick after that rental's third year you probably get a QB if that QB hasn't shown $25mil worth of value no matter what the reason.

It's not about Fields. It's just a timing thing.

And that also goes for the new coaches. They get a free ride year with a rookie. That could wear thin expecting a free ride with a QB you may not be willing to pay and then get a rookie who may not be an instant obvious improvement.

 

[KittiesKorner]

If Poles allows Fields to go to another team and succeed, he gets fired.

Remember, getting a franchise level quarterback and getting him the pieces and coaching he needs to thrive is HIS job.

If Fields succeeds elsewhere, that's tacit proof Poles is the wrong person for the job. Fans who want Fields to have success elsewhere don't get that.

If you think Fields can find it elsewhere, then demand the GM does right by Fields so he can find it HERE.

This is such utter trash bullshit, I don’t know where to start.

Bearss fans need to demand that their QB do better in Chicago instead of thinking he will do better somewhere else?

Can you read this back to yourself without shitting yourself laughing?

 

[fridges fatboys]

Not saying that mediocrity is something to strive for.

But at some point, rather than getting caught up in hype, it's time to look at the objective facts.

The facts on Fields right now are as follows:

Pros -
* Elite deep ball
* Big Game Hunter
* Very coachable in the sense that he always tries to do what his coaches tell him
* Elite Speed and escabability
* Elite run threat
* Has shown improvement in areas of his game, such as short passes and at times, releasing the ball quicker.
* Will step up in pocket when given a pocket to step up into
* Won his last game from the pocket when it mattered
* Improving on getting rid of the ball

Negatives -
* Too. Many. Fumbles.
* Indecisive at times, else waits too long for something to develop, which has caused him to take bad sacks
* Has in the past forced the ball in places where he shouldn't with game on the line
* Inconsistent under pressure

Mitigating Factors -
* Has had back to back terrible offensive coordinators who each have tried to force Fields into the QB they want rather than building an offense around his unique skill sets
* Until this year, has played behind horrendous offensive lines, giving him no time and helping create an illusion that he always holds onto the ball too long, where the problem is really more sporadic
* Until this year, had not a lot around him to help him develop other than Kmet and Mooney.
* Because coaches are constantly trying to change him, has stated he was playing robotic and not fluid earlier in the year.
* It is still unclear whether Fields can't see the middle of the field or can completely read defenses because of the terrible offensive coordinators Fields has had - it's made an honest evaluation of this part almost impossible, because his current OC coaches his QBs to not throw to the middle of the field. This is proven by pass charts for not only Fields but also Tyson Bagent, and if you look at Nathaniel Hackett, he does the same thing with his quarterbacks in NY and did when he was head coach in Denver. The passing charts do not lie on this one.


So, being honest, Fields has some good traits, some bad ones, and some things that have been completely out of his control.

Yet, the loudest reason I keep hearing for the Bears to draft a new quarterback all seem to come from some sort of twisted FOMO:

"OMG the Bears will have the #1 over all pick! You HAVE to take a quarterback if you have the number one over all pick. Did you know the Bears might have the number one overall pick? Quarterback! Quarterback! Quarterback!"

Honestly, it seems like the people acting like this (and getting mad hateful and defensive when you poke holes in it) are more addicted to the adrenaline rush of drafting a quarterback with the #1 overall pick than they are in the practical matter that comes after that.

What practical matter?

* A new rookie QB resets the clock on everyone and you likely aren't going to be doing anything amazing year 1 as he learns.
* QBs have a very high bust rate and once the rush dies down and the rookie gets into camp, what if all the amazing things he did in college he can't do in the NFL because players are better and defensive coaches generally are smarter? If your QB Jesus busts, you have now wasted years of development at other positions.
* Even if the QB isn't a bust outright, he might not be great. He might just be ok. Carson Palmer comes to mind. Drafting a QB first overall doesn't guarantee anything.

Which brings me to Fields.

He isn't perfect, but he is still improving and has been in ill-fitting offensive systems his whole NFL career. He needs an offense with more slants, more moving and rolling pockets - hell, basically a Shannahan style offense.

You get him that and surround him with talent, and Fields, with the positives I already mentioned, can definitely perform RIGHT AWAY. You start getting wins and contending for the playoffs in 2024, with the way this defense and offensive line has come on. Add a pass rusher, add a center from free agency and another from the draft, give Fields another weapon, and give him a better offensive system that fits HIM rather than trying to change him to fit whatever the current crap OC wants, and now you actually have something that is going to win a lot of games.

I know this will never convince the people who need to see something happen first before they believe it, but for those who pay attention, like those who saw our secondary was playing really well earlier in the year despite the defensive issues and knew a pass rusher or two would unlock this defense, those types of people who actually understand football will get what I am saying.

I think it is more beneficial to keep Fields, full stop, warts and all, rather than going with some rookie QB who has faded down the stretch of their college football season, taking your pick of who you think I am talking about, because it could be either.

At least Fields has positive qualities proven on an NFL level that make him a QB you can win with, and occasionally because of.

The future draft picks aren't in the NFL yet, so they haven't proven shit.

A bird in the hand....

Unlike many posters on this board, I read your full thread and agree with you with a slight twist.

If I am Ryan Poles, I still keep Justin Fields and I still draft a QB, but not necessarily at 1. I would trade down and draft Michael Penix. If you watch that guy play he throws with anticipation and is very accurate. In my opinion he will be the best QB from this class. If Fields balls out next year you can sign him to an extension or even trade him if Penix is developing.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730976749503283516

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730995919011872990

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730969230164586710

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730976749503283516

His fumbles have been mentioned numerous times on here.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730969230164586710

Does Swifty know what QBR is?

 

[msadows]

His fumbles have been mentioned numerous times on here.

So have tom bradys

Fields = Brady

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

@Chief Walking Stick please stop with the train posts.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

So have tom bradys

Fields = Brady

?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

@Chief Walking Stick please stop with the train posts.

My apologies... I didn't realize I was "derailing" any intelligent discussion by the fat autistic jelly donut.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

My apologies... I didn't realize I was "derailing" any intelligent discussion by the fat autistic jelly donut.

It’s pretty easy to point out what a train wreck @Mighty Joe Young ’s football takes are without actually making train posts.

And please don’t ruin jelly donuts for me

 

[Toast88]

In the 2nd start of Hurts entire career, he threw for more yards than Fields ever has in a game to date.

In the 3rd start of Hurts entire career, he threw for more yards than Fields ever has in a game to date.

He had major early flashes as a passer which to me

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729923873691328538

If Caleb Williams takes 3 years to get a 300-yard game, yeah, it will probably mean he’s not the guy.

If Caleb Williams can’t touch Mitch Trubisky’s passing stats 3 years into his career, yeah, it will probably mean he’s not the guy.


Even though I don’t think Fields will ever be a great passer, I’m ok with whatever the next coach and/or GM want to do. But for those hell-bent on keeping Fields, what are you so afraid of losing? Fields isn’t some hyper-valuable gem you’re letting walk out of Halas Hall.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

That's not what you wrote. And there's no way to actually tell that from watching football, dumbass.

Hard to disprove an opinion. Right or wrong that's my belief.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

If Caleb Williams takes 3 years to get a 300-yard game, yeah, it will probably mean he’s not the guy.

If Caleb Williams can’t touch Mitch Trubisky’s passing stats 3 years into his career, yeah, it will probably mean he’s not the guy.


Even though I don’t think Fields will ever be a great passer, I’m ok with whatever the next coach and/or GM want to do. But for those hell-bent on keeping Fields, what are you so afraid of losing? Fields isn’t some hyper-valuable gem you’re letting walk out of Halas Hall.

I like fields and think he'll do well elsewhere.

I also think @Mighty Joe Young has 0 clue what he's talking about as evidenced by him being certain there isn't a financial aspect to whether they keep fields or not.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I don't think we'll get the chance to see Fields with good coaching in Chicago. I think with good coaching he could be as good as Hurts, Tua, Allen, Lawrence, etc. Unfortunately, he's had Matt Nagy and Luke Getsy.

Look at the improvement some young QBs had when they got a good offensive mind with them:

Tua went from 2,653 yds, 16 TDs, 10 Ints, 90.1 rating with Flores to 3,548 yds, 25 TDs, 8 Ints, 105.5 rating with McDaniel
Lawrence went from 3,641 yds, 12 TDs, 17 Ints, 71.9 rating with Meyer to 4,113 yds, 25 TDs, 8 Ints, 95.2 rating with Pederson
Mahomes currently has his lowest rating since his rookie year with Matt Nagy in his ear.

Coaching matters and the Bears don't have good coaching. It's hurting Fields development. Hopefully he goes to a team that prioritizes their QB with a good offensive mind so we can see his full potential.

That been my opinion and point all along. Get him some coaches that can do the same, he easily has as much talent as the guys you mention.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I don't think we'll get the chance to see Fields with good coaching in Chicago. I think with good coaching he could be as good as Hurts, Tua, Allen, Lawrence, etc. Unfortunately, he's had Matt Nagy and Luke Getsy.

Look at the improvement some young QBs had when they got a good offensive mind with them:

Tua went from 2,653 yds, 16 TDs, 10 Ints, 90.1 rating with Flores to 3,548 yds, 25 TDs, 8 Ints, 105.5 rating with McDaniel
Lawrence went from 3,641 yds, 12 TDs, 17 Ints, 71.9 rating with Meyer to 4,113 yds, 25 TDs, 8 Ints, 95.2 rating with Pederson
Mahomes currently has his lowest rating since his rookie year with Matt Nagy in his ear.

Coaching matters and the Bears don't have good coaching. It's hurting Fields development. Hopefully he goes to a team that prioritizes their QB with a good offensive mind so we can see his full potential.

Wasn’t there also a lot of player change with these QBs too? Tua got Reek. Mahomes has his worst WRs this year.