The Bears may be better but they're still not good enough

[DanielCCSBears]

You constantly do this really lame and transparent thing where you create strawmen to prove a point. You’ve positioned it where Rome Odunze isn’t Larry Fitzgerald so in that sense he’s a disappointment. But nobody in their right mind made a 1 to 1 comparison of those two players, Everybody with a functioning brain or who isn’t trying to feign ignorance knows it’s more of a “this guys ceiling is this” type of comparison. Nobody really thought Odunze projected to be Larry Fitzgerald. One of the greatest WR’s of all time. Like maybe he had a minuscule chance. It’s just more of a body type, style of play comparison. But you’ve completely taken that out of context in order to create a strawman. So know because the 9th pick and 3rd WR taken isnt projected or on the path after his rookie year of a hall of famer and all time great he’s hasn’t met expectations or is kind of a disappointment. Do you want people to take you seriously?

And the thing is Odunze didn’t really have a great year. He was fine for a rookie. He didn’t look like anything special though. That’s enough to make an argument against him really. But instead of just easily doing that and creating an argument based off that you’re like “I was promised Larry Fitzgerald.” WTF? By who? You’re either being intellectually dishonest or are an idiot. Take your pick.

Here you go here's the Larry Fitzgerald comp from someone not in their right mind.

 

[EDPeezy]

He made a comparison just like in the context I stated. He‘s making a style of play, body type comparison and essentially projecting his ceiling based off that. Nobody who understands what these draft comps means interprets it literally as “he’s Larry Fitzgerald.“

TJ also trained him pre-draft, which he states. So you already know he’s going to be biased and support his guy. You have to take that into account.

Another thing you’re doing here is the dumb “I saw this guys say this” and then projecting that one opinion to be prevailing thought. But you can do that for anything with all the outlets that exist for someone to go in front of a camera and state an opinion. You can find any opinion you want on Rome Odunze. You finding one video of a guy stating his opinion doesn’t equate to that being the consensus. But you attempt to push this false narrative that it is.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

He made a comparison just like in the context I stated. He‘s making a style of play, body type comparison and essentially projecting his ceiling based off that. Nobody who understands what these draft comps means interprets it literally as “he’s Larry Fitzgerald.“

TJ also trained him pre-draft, which he states. So you already know he’s going to be biased and support his guy. You have to take that into account.

Another thing you’re doing here is the dumb “I saw this guys say this” and then projecting that one opinion to be prevailing thought. But you can do that for anything with all the outlets that exist for someone to go in front of a camera and state an opinion. You can find any opinion you want on Rome Odunze. You finding one video of a guy stating his opinion doesn’t equate to that being the consensus. But you attempt to push this false narrative that it is.

If you want to believe all that go right ahead. Cunningham had to stop Poles from trading up for him and had him as the best WR in the draft. You can muddy the water with other people's opinions if you so chose but Poles was ready to move up to 5 to get Odunze. Poles is the only one that matters and where he projected him and where he actually is as a player are two different realities. I already stated I think Odunze will be a nice complimentary piece for a long time. But I don't foresee him being a top of the line WR or even really consistent WR1. He'll probably have an Alshon Jeffery type of career.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

We lost many close games last year with bad coaching, bad oline and a rookie QB. We should be much better in all three areas this year. We can swing 4 to 6 more wins then last year. A playoff spot this year is good enough. That would be a great season.

 

[DC]

If coaching and scheme matter so much how was DJ Moore able to have a career year with Justin Fields and Luke Getsy and a mediocre offensive line? Good to great players can be great regardless of who the coach is. Larry Fitzgerald had constant coaching and QB turnover and yet he's one of the greatest WRs of all time. Greatness shows up regardless.

Actually you're right. Bears should have kept Eberflus.

 

[playthrough2001]

If you want to believe all that go right ahead. Cunningham had to stop Poles from trading up for him and had him as the best WR in the draft. You can muddy the water with other people's opinions if you so chose but Poles was ready to move up to 5 to get Odunze. Poles is the only one that matters and where he projected him and where he actually is as a player are two different realities. I already stated I think Odunze will be a nice complimentary piece for a long time. But I don't foresee him being a top of the line WR or even really consistent WR1. He'll probably have an Alshon Jeffery type of career.

Alshon Jeffery was a complete stud but he couldn’t stay away from the dinner table or soft tissue injuries.

Rome will be a star in the NFL. His numbers were pretty damn good considering he was the number three target and was involved in multiple missed opportunities.

 

[EDPeezy]

If you want to believe all that go right ahead. Cunningham had to stop Poles from trading up for him and had him as the best WR in the draft. You can muddy the water with other people's opinions if you so chose but Poles was ready to move up to 5 to get Odunze. Poles is the only one that matters and where he projected him and where he actually is as a player are two different realities. I already stated I think Odunze will be a nice complimentary piece for a long time. But I don't foresee him being a top of the line WR or even really consistent WR1. He'll probably have an Alshon Jeffery type of career.

This has nothing to do with what we are arguing about. You’re saying Rome Odunze was projected to be Larry Fitzgerald. He wasn’t. You’re taking a pre draft comparison which isn’t meant to be taken literally, and then purposely or ignorantly (I’m not sure which) taking it out of context in order to push a false narrative.

And even if he wanted to trade up for him, that doesn’t mean he thought he was Larry Fitzgerald. I’m not sure why or how you think that’s relevant.

Do you understand where Fitzgerald sits on the echelon of all time great WR’s? Are you just ignorant and think Fitz was like Braylon Edwards or something? If people truly thought he would be Larry Fitzgerald then he would have been the #2 pick. Hell, he might have been #1.if the Bears truly thought he was a no brainer, multiple all pro, hall of famer all time great they probably take him 1 and worry about the QB later. Justin Fields is probably the Chicago Bears QB if that’s the case.

 

[MakeMyDay]

I thought Ben Johnson said we were loaded with talent????

now we are going bankrupt and we are done; kaput...

"Its a damn shame what the worlds gotten too for people like me and people like you"

 

[thenewguy]

Okay so who do you expect to develop into a high level difference maker outside of Caleb? Jones is who he is and will always be, same with Sweat same can probably be said for Dexter and Wright. I'm not diminishing them I'm just saying the difference between their floor and ceiling right now and going forward is minimal.

You're saying Wright cant get better with better scheme or coaches? And Braxton? Armstead really took off when Roushar starting coaching him. Why can't the Bears young tackles? You think Odunze can't break out with Johnson running the offense? Kmet's production wasnt limited because of the terrible scheme? Dexter could absolutely get better, he improved in year 2 and, as you know but don't acknowledge when it doesn't suit your argument, it's very common for DL to take 3-4 years to reach their potential. They have a ton of talent in the secondary. We don't even know who they drafted yet, so I don't know how they will develop them. I watched young talent flourish under Ben Johnson, that should continue here. Coaching matters.

 

[NCChiFan]

But that's kinda the point here as well. Yeah Kmet regressed but is going back to 719 yards going to be enough of an improvement to be a factor in key wins plural? He's a contributor but the difference he makes statistically within the margin of who he is as a player won't move the needle that much.

But the regression wasn't "he" it was the OC. Can u tell me what this offense will look like and perform. Put personnel ability aside, the system has got to work. We witnessed what a system that does not work looks like... Kmet's stats are a prime example.

 

[dabears70]

It's seemingly a very bad draft to find one. Usually there are a dozen or so in the Top-10. But this year it feels like a wing and a prayer to the point that having the draft capital it may make sense to move up for someone.

There's a dozen in the top 10? How does that even math for you?

 

[Dstone5553]

Was listening to Leila Rahimi today and she seemingly stumbled into an excellent point about the Bears roster and it's makeup.
.....

I don't think they are good enough either.

But after reading you don't think they're good enough...I'm rethinking things.

 

[--CyBear--]

Was listening to Leila Rahimi today and she seemingly stumbled into an excellent point about the Bears roster and it's makeup.

Who on this team is good enough to be on a playoff team?

My thought process on that statement, when the game is on the line who do you trust to make the key block the key catch or the key sack or INT to put the game away and do the Bears have enough of those to do well in the playoffs if they get there and the answer is they don't have them.

For as good as Darnell Wright is, if it's 3rd and 8 with :45 seconds left in the fourth quarter and the Bears are down 4, do you feel like he has the edge over Aidan Hutchinson? Does he have the edge over TJ Watt? Is he going to stop Micah Parsons in that situation?

Does it even matter how good Wright is given how little confidence you have in Braxton Jones is in that situation? Is there even a left tackle in this draft that inspires that type of confidence in the future?

How about on defense? Who is that guy the Bears have? It's not Sweat it's not Jarrett it sure as hell isn't Dexter. There's not one player in that front seven that when you gotta have it you can count on him to come through.

What does this mean to me? It probably would be a good idea to trade up and get a guy like Carter or Graham rather than adding to a roster of players who are all the same type of player.

They went big to get Khalil Mack and it got them to the playoffs. Ultimately they didn't have the QB right.

So if Caleb is the QB and they're going to get next level play from Moore and Odunze in the offense, shouldn't they be adding big to the defense instead of just a stream of players just good enough to be on the Bears?

They need better than Sweat and Dexter. And yeah they may need better than Moore and Odunze. But who are they going to get that's going to dramatically alter the trajectory of the team? Just more pieces isn't going to put them on the path to winning the Super Bowl. They need to swing big while they still have Caleb Williams cheap.

Johnson? With just better coaching and clock management, they should have beaten playoff teams last year. It's up to coaching to correct for bad matchups or not allow that situation in the 1st place.

CW came from a primarily air raid O that generally takes viable prospects a year or 2 to acclimate from. He was already making that ascension in the last quarter of last year, effectively on his own. His play should now escalate quickly. 6 weeks in, this O will be clicking with enough time and division games left to contend.

 

[Montucky]

The only thing really working in the favor now is the mystical factor of Bears fans (finally) being skeptical of the offseason championship belt and saying the team still blows despite the flurry of offseason activity. So really in order for the fan base to be wrong the team has to probably be at least around .500 this year. We’ll see though, training camp hype this year is going to be at a fever pitch.

 

[Montucky]

He was already making that ascension in the last quarter of last year

Down twenty, against back-ups playing prevent…I wouldn’t get too worked up.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I thought Ben Johnson said we were loaded with talent????

now we are going bankrupt and we are done; kaput...

"Its a damn shame what the worlds gotten too for people like me and people like you"

Loaded with talent is kind. But again who can you count on on the defense to make a big play in a key situation. Who do you have confidence in and why?

 

[DanielCCSBears]

There's a dozen in the top 10? How does that even math for you?

It's a statement about options to draft from. There's the importance and value of the Top-10 pick and then correlation of the number is players who are Top-10 value worthy.

So you're hell bent on trying to make me look stupid you couldn't even consider the context of the statement within your own brain.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

But the regression wasn't "he" it was the OC. Can u tell me what this offense will look like and perform. Put personnel ability aside, the system has got to work. We witnessed what a system that does not work looks like... Kmet's stats are a prime example.

Yes but Kmet and Moore had career years in an equally bad Luke Getsy system did they not?

 

[Montucky]

This team is not even close to being loaded with talent but there is some argument that with the right coaching it can be greater than the sum of its parts sort of the way Green Bay is post-Rodgers.

 

[NCChiFan]

Yes but Kmet and Moore had career years in an equally bad Luke Getsy system did they not?

So your suggestion it wasn't the number of targets but the fact they physically took a step back?