The Bears may be better but they're still not good enough

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Alshon Jeffery was a complete stud but he couldn’t stay away from the dinner table or soft tissue injuries.

Rome will be a star in the NFL. His numbers were pretty damn good considering he was the number three target and was involved in multiple missed opportunities.
He was a really good player but was he as good as Brandon Marshall in his prime?

Odunze is a big bodied WR and it takes a hell of an athlete to get them to be great. Shouldn't he better and more consistent than Allen Robinson and DK Metcalf have been?

AJ Green Julio Jones I want that level of WR.
 

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This team is not even close to being loaded with talent but there is some argument that with the right coaching it can be greater than the sum of its parts sort of the way Green Bay is post-Rodgers.
I'm exhausted from the years of Bears mediocrity being the standard of good players. Even when the Bears have good homegrown players they seem to be worse than so many others over the last dozen years.
 

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I'm exhausted from the years of Bears mediocrity being the standard of good players. Even when the Bears have good homegrown players they seem to be worse than so many others over the last dozen years.

Have a coffee if exhausted. The Bears are a stud edge away from a massive move up.
 

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Presuming starters are fully healthy, I think this team can produce a winning season but would rub out of gas come playoff time. I don't think it makes for a playoff win. We have (ostensibly) the top HC candidate who knows how to build a scheme for his talent. That's an item that was clearly missing.

We have a QB of the future... When he proves it. Caleb Williams has chops though, and I'm confident he has the talent to be molded. You don't get this far, and become the hands-down 1OA without the makings of a top QB. DJM is a WR1 and Odunze is a challenge to matchup against. Kmet is a good enough TE and you can do a lot with that. The line is refreshed, though fans like us have to hope Jones takes the next step. I don't want to rely on "good enough" to be the blind side protector.

On defense, I worry the line remains without a game changing stud. That can be had in the draft. The DB squad is in the top third of this league by my view, and the linebackers are well paid and earning their checks.

I think that with good luck in the health department, we can get out of the basement of the division. Shit depth all around means we aren't closing games early, even if Chicago has an easier schedule. This draft could produce a new LT, DE and DT that changes a lot for us, but I'm not going to count on rookies to produce wins. Year two, if Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams are the genuine article, will be huge.
 

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He was a really good player but was he as good as Brandon Marshall in his prime?

Odunze is a big bodied WR and it takes a hell of an athlete to get them to be great. Shouldn't he better and more consistent than Allen Robinson and DK Metcalf have been?

AJ Green Julio Jones I want that level of WR.
Alshon never reached his ceiling because he would not put in the work necessary to be consistently great. He was not better than Marshall. Marshall would be a HOFer if he wasn’t such a complete maniac.

Rome has played one year. There was a ton of turmoil and turnover on the offensive side of the ball. Rome had a considerably better rookie year than Marshall. Julio Jones didn’t exactly light the NFL on fire his first three years. I’d give it some air.
 

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Down twenty, against back-ups playing prevent…I wouldn’t get too worked up.
Quarter of the season. :rolleyes:

Pretty obvious, LOL. Like anyone thinks a quarter of 1 game matters.

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It's a statement about options to draft from. There's the importance and value of the Top-10 pick and then correlation of the number is players who are Top-10 value worthy.

So you're hell bent on trying to make me look stupid you couldn't even consider the context of the statement within your own brain.
200w.webp
 

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Have a coffee if exhausted. The Bears are a stud edge away from a massive move up.
Ben Johnson isn't going to fix Caleb's accuracy issues so let's temper things a bit. Ben Johnson has the respect of everyone so we can hope that that will translate.
 

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Alshon never reached his ceiling because he would not put in the work necessary to be consistently great. He was not better than Marshall. Marshall would be a HOFer if he wasn’t such a complete maniac.

Rome has played one year. There was a ton of turmoil and turnover on the offensive side of the ball. Rome had a considerably better rookie year than Marshall. Julio Jones didn’t exactly light the NFL on fire his first three years. I’d give it some air.
I know I'm talking about traits. I don't see his traits translating to that level.
 

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Along with busts as well. Hopefully Poles can find some good ones in this draft to keep upping the talent pool on the team.
Definitely. I just don't like getting too much into the good draft/bad draft as if there are 200 destined bums going to be drafted. Scouting reports are not a career set in stone
 

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Here you go here's the Larry Fitzgerald comp from someone not in their right mind.


If the person making a Larry Fitzgerald comp is not in his right mind, would that not also apply to you for criticizing Odunze for not being Larry Fitzgerald?!

It seems you are also making a Larry Fitzgerald comp and saying he failed because he’s not equal to one of the top 10 wide receivers in the history of the game.

And you’re saying all this conclusively after one season in which his quarterback couldn’t stay upright.

Who’s really the one who is not of his right mind?
 

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Way to try and deflect from the conversation by making it about Cam Skattebo.

I’m questioning your ability to identify traits.

Odunze

6’ 3”
4.45
39” Vert
10’ 9” broad
Great hands
50/50 ball specialist
Excellent route runner
Elite production in college

I hate those traits.
 

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I’m questioning your ability to identify traits.

Odunze

6’ 3”
4.45
39” Vert
10’ 9” broad
Great hands
50/50 ball specialist
Excellent route runner
Elite production in college

I hate those traits.
His route running and ability to separate didn't show up at the level he was hyped at. His speed didn't show up as advertised either.

You can quote me his combine numbers all you want. But he didn't flash like AJ Green Julio Jones and Andre Johnson did when they were in the league.
 

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His route running and ability to separate didn't show up at the level he was hyped at. His speed didn't show up as advertised either.

You can quote me his combine numbers all you want. But he didn't flash like AJ Green Julio Jones and Andre Johnson did when they were in the league.
Maybe we give him a second year, huh?
 

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Yeah but that play happened not because Peppers couldn't get to Rodgers Peppers got the pressure on Rodgers Conte had blown the coverage. If all things go right on that play and Conte doesn't blow the coverage there's enough pressure from Peppers where that goes as a sack or an incompletion. If everything goes right you need that guy that wins his one on one.
If he wouldn’t have fallen down and just kept contain Rodgers wouldn’t have been able to roll out, buy 3 more seconds and then throw it.
 

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I don't think it's fair to compare one of the greatest of all time against one of the worst Super wins. I believe they would have been consistent playoff contenders.
So coaching is a thing… but only if they are a great coach. Got it!
 

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His route running and ability to separate didn't show up at the level he was hyped at. His speed didn't show up as advertised either.

You can quote me his combine numbers all you want. But he didn't flash like AJ Green Julio Jones and Andre Johnson did when they were in the league.

Julio Jones year one? By the way, you just tossed out three hall of fame level players.

Rome was not HOF level year one. Brilliant!

I suggest you give it some air hot take.

Two of Andre Johnson’s first three years were pretty average too.
 

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