The Burqa and France

[supraman]

[quote name="BlackhawkPaul"]

Hell no.

Saturday nights-- But we can have pint glasses filled with our favorite ale.[/quote]



Hmm drunken saturday nights allow me to sleep in late on Sundays and I like that...hmm



can our ski masks say "You can't see how awesome my face is" or something to that nature.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="supraman"]



Hmm drunken saturday nights allow me to sleep in late on Sundays and I like that...hmm



can our ski masks say "You can't see how awesome my face is" or something to that nature.[/quote]



Can we enact a rule where instead of fully clothed our women must be completely naked?

 

[mikita's helmet]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



You do realize the Old Testament has passages demoralizing women too right? God you are so one dimensional it's sickening.[/quote]



Notice how female Catholic priests never read these passages during their sermons.

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="TSD"]





Stu, its a no win situation. His religion is perfect good and true and islam is evil, and Jeebus himself couldn't change his mind on that.



Hey Fluffer is the Quaran true? (yes this is a trick question, but please answer!)[/quote]

I thought it interesting that those of you that keep proclaiming what a wonderful, loving, peaceful religion Islam is then come in this thread and now question whether it's really peaceful. Seems like a flip-flop to me.



Is the Quaran true to what?

 

[mikita's helmet]

[quote name="TSD"]



Can we enact a rule where instead of fully clothed our women must be completely naked?[/quote]



With some exceptions.



Aw hell, if it's an across the board rule, I guess I can live with it.

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="Mikita's Helmet"]



Notice how female Catholic priests never read these passages during their sermons.[/quote]

There is no such thing as a Catholic female priest. Perhaps you meant minister of some other religion of Christianity. But Catholosism there is none.

 

[supraman]

[quote name="TSD"]



Can we enact a rule where instead of fully clothed our women must be completely naked?[/quote]



Only if they are hot. who wants to see ugly naked chicks?

 

[mikita's helmet]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought it interesting that those of you that keep proclaiming what a wonderful, loving, peaceful religion Islam is then come in this thread and now question whether it's really peaceful. Seems like a flip-flop to me.



Is the Quaran true to what?[/quote]



The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, The Devils of Loudon, all carried out by peaceful, loving Christians with government approval.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devils_of_Loudun

 

[mikita's helmet]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

There is no such thing as a Catholic female priest. Perhaps you meant minister of some other religion of Christianity. But Catholosism there is none.[/quote]



I was raised Catholic, I was being ironic, oh well...

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

There is no such thing as a Catholic female priest. Perhaps you meant minister of some other religion of Christianity. But Catholosism there is none.[/quote]



THATS SEXIST... NO RELIGION SHOULD PREVENT WOMEN FROM DOING ANYTHING!! OMG CATHOLICS TREAT WOMEN DIFFERENT THAN MEN!

 

[mikita's helmet]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



THATS SEXIST... NO RELIGION SHOULD PREVENT WOMEN FROM DOING ANYTHING!! OMG CATHOLICS TREAT WOMEN DIFFERENT THAN MEN![/quote]



Thanks, Stu.



That was my point.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="Mikita's Helmet"]



The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, The Devils of Loudon, all carried out by peaceful, loving Christians with government approval.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devils_of_Loudun[/quote]



Say what?!?



Raping and pillaging villages full of women and children in the "name of god" is evil???

 

[whiteevo]

[quote name="TSD"]





Stu, its a no win situation. His religion is perfect good and true and islam is evil, and Jeebus himself couldn't change his mind on that.



Hey Fluffer is the Quaran true? (yes this is a trick question, but please answer!)[/quote]



the humour in the fact he was called fluffer was not lost on me.



carry on.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I thought it interesting that those of you that keep proclaiming what a wonderful, loving, peaceful religion Islam is then come in this thread and now question whether it's really peaceful. Seems like a flip-flop to me.





Is the Quaran true to what?[/quote]



I never said islam is a peace loving religion. I responded that islam is no more or less peace loving than any other religion. it is what its followers make it. Some are moderate and peaceful, some blow shit up, some want Gods law on earth, just like christians (you seem to think christianity is immune to extremism).



I meant exactly what I said in my question. Is the Quaran true? I will ask you two questions here to clarify it.



question 1) is the bible true?

question 2) is the Quaran true?



are you capable of answering that? Simple yes or no response for both would suffice.



and by is it true I mean the obvious, are the words in the damn book true or false?

 

[supraman]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



Say what?!?



Raping and pillaging villages full of women and children in the "name of god" is evil???[/quote]



See at least when the Vikings did it, they just did it because they could and go ahead try and stop them, you'd have an axe in your head.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="Mikita's Helmet"]



The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, The Devils of Loudon, all carried out by peaceful, loving Christians with government approval.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devils_of_Loudun[/quote]





See also:



National Liberation Front of Tripura

Irish Republican Army

Sons of Freedom

Russian National Unity

Lord's Resistance Army

The KKK(yes they claim their white supremecy is divinely inspired)

Army of God

Phineas Priesthood

The Covenant



But only islam is questionable as a peaceful religion.

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="TSD"]

I meant exactly what I said in my question. Is the Quaran true? I will ask you two questions here to clarify it.



question 1) is the bible true?

question 2) is the Quaran true?



are you capable of answering that? Simple yes or no response for both would suffice.



and by is it true I mean the obvious, are the words in the damn book true or false?[/quote]

1) Is the bible true to the word of God? Yes - I'll agree with that especially the gospels and word of Christ in the bible. Do I agree with everything in the bible? No - of course not. The old testament has some pretty outdated and sexist readings for scholars (not god) that I don't like. When my wife and I had to pick an old testament verse for our wedding it was difficult to find anything that wasn't offensive.

2) Is the Quaran true to the word of God? Don't know as I've never read it - and I know you haven't either.

 

[LordKOTL]

[quote name="supraman"]



See at least when the Vikings did it, they just did it because they could and go ahead try and stop them, you'd have an axe in your head.[/quote]

And at least the Vikings weren't trying to do it in the name of any invisible man--they just did it because they liked to rape, pillage, and plunder.



I mean hell, who would you have more respect for--someone that kills his famly because he wanted to kill his family? Or someone that kills his family because God tells him to do so?



The defense rests.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

1) Is the bible true to the word of God? Yes - I'll agree with that especially the gospels and word of Christ in the bible. Do I agree with everything in the bible? No - of course not. The old testament has some pretty outdated and sexist readings for scholars (not god) that I don't like. When my wife and I had to pick an old testament verse for our wedding it was difficult to find anything that wasn't offensive.

2) Is the Quaran true to the word of God? Don't know as I've never read it - and I know you haven't either.[/quote]



The Qu'ran has more contradictions in it than the Bible. The question TSD asked isn't fair as I expect he is using "TRUTH" as in meaning "undeniably tangibly factual without question" but to people it could mean different things. I believe the words in the Bible to be true but that is based on the word that "logical people" hate, and that's FAITH.



The Qu'ran is no less "truer" to a Muslim than the Bible is to me.

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



THATS SEXIST... NO RELIGION SHOULD PREVENT WOMEN FROM DOING ANYTHING!! OMG CATHOLICS TREAT WOMEN DIFFERENT THAN MEN![/quote]

Nice try but not even close. Muslim law is very strict against women and limits their rights and what they can / cannot do. You should know that. Want some examples?



- Women cannot drive

- Women cannot go outside the home without a male escort that is a family member

- If women are assaulted it requires 4 male witnesses to the crime. Guess how many of these are prosecuted?

- If women are assaulted they are blamed for allowing it to happen and their husbands can kill them as an honor killing.

- When a woman's husband dies she is outcast by society.



And you think this is the same as women not being permitted to be priests in the Catholic church?