The Case for Brian Flores for Head Coach

[BornAnAngryBearsFan]

Absolutely fucking not. **** NO!!!

 

[remydat]

Fitzpatrick forced the team to trade him cause of Flores. Tunsil and stills were also traded not sure if those are on Flores or not. But either way stop lying he was polarizing cause majority of players are too soft for a hc like him.

I didn't lie about anything. I posted what NFLPA players voted when he was in Minny. I said nothing about his time in Miami as the point was his current players seem to love him so that is an indication that he has matured since his time in Miami.

If he was still being a hard ass to the point of pissing the majority of players off then his players wouldn't have voted him as the 4th best DC.

 

[remydat]

Hahaha i see one good reason in the bold and that's that he will bring accountability and discipline which are things i always said were the good things that come with him. But can he bring that without being a dictator is a question.

I don't think any HC, especially one that hasn't proven he can be a good HC yet, will be holding any ownership or front office accountable. I actually thought that was funny when i read that.

I also don't need Flores teaching Caleb anything, he needs to be the HC and put his hands on what he knows which is defense and let the OC and the offensive coaches teach Caleb. His resume for handling QB's isn't very good so lets just leave that for the offensive coaches.

You also do realize he has multiple red flags that come with hiring Flores as well right?

I also never said he didn't have some good things, only that you seem to be forgetting about all the bad things.

He already held Dolphins ownership accountable because Ross was fined 1.5 million and the Dolphins lost a 1st round pick because he revealed their tampering with Brady. So this isn't a guess. It already happened.

No one cares what you need as you aren't making any decisions. As a top DC he undoubtedly can provide insights to a QB especially when Caleb looks brain dead at times combating the blitz and that is Flores specialty. If you think a QB doesn't learn from a DC and D he practices against every week then don't know what to tell you.

Of course he has red flags like any candidate does. I quite clearly said the biggest issue with Flores is how he handles the QB and O.

 

[remydat]

Flores is a good coach but not sure I love the fit with the Bears. I'd prefer they go with an offensive head coach and figure out whether this QB is/isn't their franchise QB. If Caleb proves to be a franchise QB, then you can go defensive head coach in future, if needed. But until you know you've got a legit, franchise QB, I'd be going offensive head coach every single time and hope one of them can find you/coach up a QB into being that franchise guy.

That is an entirely fair position to take. I just think the Bears will end up wanting someone with previous HC experience which on the offensive side only leaves McCarthy.

Now if a Shanny, McDaniel, or Taylor get let go then I would expect the Bears to jump on them but if I were in Poles shoes I would want a HC with experience because if the first time HC has growing pains you are probably fired.

 

[dabears70]

You remarked about players complaining about him other than Tua and I pointed out that players voted him as one of the best D coordinators. In order for him to be ranked that high he obviously had to garner votes from the players actually playing for him so it would seem the majority of players that play for him like him.

As a DC yes. His problems came when he got a HC gig and couldn't handle the power that came with it.

 

[dabears70]

He already held Dolphins ownership accountable because Ross was fined 1.5 million and the Dolphins lost a 1st round pick because he revealed their tampering with Brady. So this isn't a guess. It already happened.

No one cares what you need as you aren't making any decisions. As a top DC he undoubtedly can provide insights to a QB especially when Caleb looks brain dead at times combating the blitz and that is Flores specialty. If you think a QB doesn't learn from a DC and D he practices against every week then don't know what to tell you.

Of course he has red flags like any candidate does. I quite clearly said the biggest issue with Flores is how he handles the QB and O.

Didn't say he can't learn going against a defense in practice, that's actually just common sense so glad you picked up on that. You're showing progress. And thanks for one good reason you had for hiring him. Shit i could of come up with more than one reason.

 

[dabears70]

That is an entirely fair position to take. I just think the Bears will end up wanting someone with previous HC experience which on the offensive side only leaves McCarthy.

Now if a Shanny, McDaniel, or Taylor get let go then I would expect the Bears to jump on them but if I were in Poles shoes I would want a HC with experience because if the first time HC has growing pains you are probably fired.

Kingsbury

 

[Les Grossman]

How the fack can you say that Flores would “fix” Caleb?? Since when is he a QB whisperer? He’s not even an offensive guy. Like WTF?

 

[remydat]

As a DC yes. His problems came when he got a HC gig and couldn't handle the power that came with it.

Don't think it had anything to do with not being able to handle power. Quite the opposite. He lashed out at Tua because he didn't have the power to pick the QB he wanted ie Herbert.

Didn't say he can't learn going against a defense in practice, that's actually just common sense so glad you picked up on that. You're showing progress. And thanks for one good reason you had for hiring him. Shit i could of come up with more than one reason.

You already agreed accountability would be 1 reason so this makes 2. And there are more in the OP. You just need to read and comprehend.

Kingsbury

Yes him too.

 

[remydat]

How the fack can you say that Flores would “fix” Caleb?? Since when is he a QB whisperer? He’s not even an offensive guy. Like WTF?

I didn't say he can fix him. I listed specific issues Caleb has that Flores can help with.

1. Are you really saying a DC known for blitzing and who will be showing Caleb blitzes in practice every single day won't be able to assist Caleb at all? Like Flores has no idea how a QB should try and defeat a blitz package he may have and can't share that insight with Caleb?

2. Are you really saying a coach known for his extreme attention to detail cannot possibly ensure that Caleb pays attention to detail when it comes to footwork and mechanics?

Not sure what your issue is with either of the above.

 

[remydat]

"I think part of coaching is correcting," Flores said. "I'm always going to correct. I'm always going to have a high standard. And I think, look, I've done a lot of reflecting on the situation, reflecting on the situation and communication. I think there's things that I could do better for sure, and I've grown in that way, and I've tried to apply the things that I could do better and the things that I've learned over the last two, three years.

"Look, I'm human," Flores said in response. "So that hit me in a way that wasn't ... positive for me. But at the same time, I've got to use that and say, 'Hey, how can I grow from that? How can I be better?' And that's really where I'm at from that standpoint. Do I feel like that's me? No. But how can I grow from that situation and create a world where that's not the case that anyone says that about Brian Flores?"

Speaking after practice Tuesday, Harrison Phillips admitted that he was initially "a little more reluctant or on edge" when Flores replaced Ed Donatell as the Vikings' defensive coordinator after the 2022 season. Donatell's approach had been "relationship-driven," Phillips said. When Flores arrived, Phillips said, "I didn't [know] if that was going to be replicated or if he'd have those same passions outside of football."

As it turned out, Flores soon invited the entire defense to his new Minnesota home to meet his family, socialize and eat.

"A statement that we always joke around with is, 'You can't have unique results without unique relationships,'" Phillips said. "And he's done a really great job of developing those unique relationships where you have a Stanford kid from Nebraska sitting on the bus next to an inner-city kid from Louisiana. We're buddies because of the defense that coach Flores has and the unique relationships that he has created between us."

Phillips said it was Metellus' idea to flank Flores at the start of his news conference.

"We just love him, man," Metellus said. "He's been great to us. I know everybody else has their own opinion, but as long as he's been a Viking, he's been good to the team."

 

[1ke]

Let me preface this by saying this is predicated on it really being Poles pick but reading the tea leaves I think Johnson while liking Chicago will likely go somewhere he can pick his GM and a smaller market.

I dont think the Bears will like the optics of a first time HC forcing a GM out so if Johnson doesnt want to work with Poles then I think Poles opts for a guy he is very familiar with in Brian Flores.

Warren will sign off because of the rave reviews his Minny connections have given on Flores. Hiring Flores like Johnson weakens a division rival although it comes with the downside of giving Minny 2 3rd round picks in 2025 and 2026.

Flores also makes sense because several players from Kmet to JJ to Gordon to Byard to Allen have spoken about needing a coach to instill discipline and Flores does not **** around.

We also know Flores doesnt have a problem challenging shitty owners or upper management as he told Ross to **** off when Ross wanted him to tank and turned him in for tampering with Brady the Dolphins a 1st. So he will also hold the ownership and upper management accountable which is what this franchise needs.

Now the biggest issue with Flores is his handling of the the QB and O. His OCs in Miami left a lot to be desired and he obviously has issues with Tua. Having said that he would naturally only take the job if he believed in Caleb and he saw Caleb upclose and personal twice so likely has an idea of what Caleb needs to improve. Caleb struggles againat the blitz and Flores likely has a lot of insights on how a QB might attack the blitz given his heavy blitzing scheme. Not to mention Caleb should improve as a result of having to practice against the blitz a **** ton.

I think Flores will also be good for Caleb in ensuring he focuses on the fundamentals namely his footwork and mechanics which IMO is the root cause of Caleb's accuracy issues. Flores IMO will also ensure Caleb stays disciplined when it comes to taking what the D gives him and not eating sacks as don't think Flores will tolerate that sort of stupidity from his QB.

Of course the other big question for Flores is who he gets as an OC but that is a bit of an unknown at this point although a few decent options that he has connections with like McDaniels, O'Brien exist.

He is not my 1st choice, nor is he my 2nd. Maybe not 3rd.

But, if this did happen, they could do much worse. And I'd be ok with it. Just have a preference of an offensive guy.

 

[Les Grossman]

I didn't say he can fix him. I listed specific issues Caleb has that Flores can help with.

1. Are you really saying a DC known for blitzing and who will be showing Caleb blitzes in practice every single day won't be able to assist Caleb at all? Like Flores has no idea how a QB should try and defeat a blitz package he may have and can't share that insight with Caleb?

2. Are you really saying a coach known for his extreme attention to detail cannot possibly ensure that Caleb pays attention to detail when it comes to footwork and mechanics?

Not sure what your issue is with either of the above.

And yet you keep planting a flag that Eberflus was a good defensive coordinator but how come that didn’t translate to helping Caleb develop. Hmmmmm…

You are jumping to Grand Canyon size conclusions about Flores’ possible impact to developing a QB. He’s a Defensive guy. He knows defensive.

Are you one of those people that thought making Matt Patrica an OC was a good idea in NE bc he knew defense?

 

[Butkus34]

Like anything in life, you make mistakes, you learn from them, and go on with life. I'm sure Flores changed his ways, at least there are no reports he remains the same..

There are no reports that he has changed either

 

[4THQUARTERCLUTCHLER]

Hell no he would be a terrible head coach rather have gruden than him

 

[legendxofxlink]

Flores watching Caleb in the locker room with freshly painted nails getting ready for the big game …

 

[tcmtrinity]

I always liked Flores and his level of accountability he demands. He seems to be the kind that has little use for entitled, soft players. The Tua thing may or may be a red flag but I would think that Flores has learned from the experience. All that said, he may be too demanding for the McCaskeys cup of tea.

 

[Szlachcic]

How are you sure he's changed his ways?

Some do, some don't. Wait and see..

 

[SlickWilly]

Let me preface this by saying this is predicated on it really being Poles pick but reading the tea leaves I think Johnson while liking Chicago will likely go somewhere he can pick his GM and a smaller market.

I dont think the Bears will like the optics of a first time HC forcing a GM out so if Johnson doesnt want to work with Poles then I think Poles opts for a guy he is very familiar with in Brian Flores.

Warren will sign off because of the rave reviews his Minny connections have given on Flores. Hiring Flores like Johnson weakens a division rival although it comes with the downside of giving Minny 2 3rd round picks in 2025 and 2026.

Flores also makes sense because several players from Kmet to JJ to Gordon to Byard to Allen have spoken about needing a coach to instill discipline and Flores does not **** around.

We also know Flores doesnt have a problem challenging shitty owners or upper management as he told Ross to **** off when Ross wanted him to tank and turned him in for tampering with Brady the Dolphins a 1st. So he will also hold the ownership and upper management accountable which is what this franchise needs.

Now the biggest issue with Flores is his handling of the the QB and O. His OCs in Miami left a lot to be desired and he obviously has issues with Tua. Having said that he would naturally only take the job if he believed in Caleb and he saw Caleb upclose and personal twice so likely has an idea of what Caleb needs to improve. Caleb struggles againat the blitz and Flores likely has a lot of insights on how a QB might attack the blitz given his heavy blitzing scheme. Not to mention Caleb should improve as a result of having to practice against the blitz a **** ton.

I think Flores will also be good for Caleb in ensuring he focuses on the fundamentals namely his footwork and mechanics which IMO is the root cause of Caleb's accuracy issues. Flores IMO will also ensure Caleb stays disciplined when it comes to taking what the D gives him and not eating sacks as don't think Flores will tolerate that sort of stupidity from his QB.

Of course the other big question for Flores is who he gets as an OC but that is a bit of an unknown at this point although a few decent options that he has connections with like McDaniels, O'Brien exist.

People need to stop with this bullshit narrative. Over the last 20 years the Bears have had a great D five or six times and not once did it improve the QB play of the Bears QB.

 

[discplayer]

Flores would bring the blitz . Rushing 4 is not getting the job done, Tua was soft mentally

A player who flourished under Nick Saban and his hard-ass coaching was soft mentally?

Ah… Nope!