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Has Dexter a) exceeded expectations b) met expectations or c) below expectations. I would say everyone would vote a or b, and a lot more a's than b's. I would certainly vote a.
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I wonder what it costs to keep a player like Gordon.
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prob about 3 years 30-36m
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That is the bead - if Gordon proves to be worth a top of the market contract, the comparison is Kenny Moore. Widely acclaimed NB that was a priority resigning for the team, he got a 3/30M contract that runs 2024-2026. That will just be inflated over time as the salary cap grows.
If Gordon is worth the contract but they want to save money? hey, go back with another day-2 pick and make sure the starting unit stays strong! You save 10M a year and send the savings to the OL, and possibly add to the comp pick pool that way.
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nope, pay kyler. Stop sitting on cap space and using it to sign bums.
If the bears dont pay him plenty of teams will rush to sign him
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Oh I like Kyler Gordon a lot. But the DB squad, as long as it stays competitive, does not trump needs on offense. That is different when the DB unit is weak but I don't see that.
I do not advocate sitting on cap space and using it to sign bums, but I am pro smart spending and a GM has to treat his cap space like a high-interest credit card.
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Gordon is a different breed of CB. He does anything asked of him and does it well. Sheds blockers and makes tackles in the run game, covers in the nickel well, blitzes well, great vs stretch or screen plays. He's more important imo than the current CB2 imo. Him and Jaylon are the best two secondary defenders.
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Yeah, identifying and paying/extending your own players is just as critical as signing FA's.
Kyler has definitely shown he has the talent to be worthy of a long term deal. I think the issue will be incentives and guarantees due to the injury history. But, the good thing is the Bears have all the medical info and know what he has done.
Dexter will be another one that you hope to see continue to improve and get that 2nd contract with the Bears.
I think both Brisker and Stevenson are guys that you let walk after their rookie deals are up.
So, that is about a 50% hit rate on the 2nd round picks for Poles. I'm pretty sure that is actually above the historical average for 'hits' on that round.
Kyler has definitely shown he has the talent to be worthy of a long term deal. I think the issue will be incentives and guarantees due to the injury history. But, the good thing is the Bears have all the medical info and know what he has done.
Dexter will be another one that you hope to see continue to improve and get that 2nd contract with the Bears.
I think both Brisker and Stevenson are guys that you let walk after their rookie deals are up.
So, that is about a 50% hit rate on the 2nd round picks for Poles. I'm pretty sure that is actually above the historical average for 'hits' on that round.
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I agree with this. We haven't seen it lately, but there was a stint where Gordan was sent on a CB blitz that was very effective. I can't recall seeing that in a while...
Stevenson ain't it. I'd pay Gordan.
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So what you see is what you want to set rather the reality of it. Okay I'll take your homerish analysis into consideration moving forward.
The Gervon Dexter debate is now at the same level that the Justin Fields debate was. A ton of Bears fans who don't see the reality and people outside of the Bears community that see the complete reality of the situation.
I am also reminded of the debate about how Greg Braggs and another on Twitter that ensued on this board after Chase Claypool did something in camp to warrant proclamations from the experts that he was poised for a breakout year in Chicago and was practicing with a chip on his shoulder.
The delusion on this board never ceases to amuse me. Despite the fact that the defense is now trending back towards one of the worst defenses in the NFL as it is being THROTTLED by b playoff caliber teams as it was to start the 2023 NFL season, somehow the players associated with this horrible fucking defense are still good.
Well done gentlemen convincing yourselvee that everything is still good on defense despite the facts.
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careful, double chin dan is gonna come in here and say you're wrong
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Sorry but you are full out shit. You are passing off your biased opinion about Dexter as people outside the Bears Community. Who are this people and link to what they have said?
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Eh? Dexter has been a solid piece. He's not good enough to take over the line, but a solid starter. He needs a better nose next to him for Dexter to make more of an impact. They seem to be doubling Dexter now that Billings is on IR. IMO - the DE opposite Sweat needs an upgrade more than Dexter/3T does.
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Oh FFS the ESPN pass rush win rate and pass block win rate stat.
The same espn stats that had the Chicago Bears with the best pass block win rate in the NFL two years ago.
Somehow this is the guy you're excited about
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Bad arguments, lies, and insults. Gish Gallops are a rhetorical tool typically used as a sign of disrespect to your conversation partner, but I am guessing that we run with different herds, so you might not have known that. I only asked about the Eagles games you watched, and I did so because I wanted your opinion on Eagles games. No tricks, no insults.
(1) You showed me highlights to tell me that what you see is what you want me to see, so I am not sure what the difference is. I said that I have also seen Dexter do those things. The highlights I just watched compared to games I have watched of my team line up with the stat lines that show that Dexter and Carter get similar results, which were shared previously in this thread. Call me a homer? Fine, whatever.
(2) My opinion on Justin Fields was something like - putting Caleb Williams in Chicago without a team around him that will help him compete will likely end up turning a talented prospect into another bust. Last offseason, Caleb Williams was being talked about as the next Pat Mahomes; Pat Mahomes sat for his rookie year to learn, stepped onto a complete team that was a QB away from a Super Bowl run, and exploded with success. You and I shared several thoughts on that very subject, so your comment on Justin Fields feels out of nowhere to me.
(3) I am not on Twitter, so I took no part in that debate. According to Google, the character limit for Twitter is far fewer than your post that I am quoting, so I feel justified about not caring about Twitter tweets. We wouldn't be able to share messages the way we are in this very moment if we were tweeting. I recall that my opinion on Claypool was that he was better than Dante Pettis. I get that that reminds you about a Twitter debate, but I was not part of that and you can leave me out of it.
(4) Delusion on this board? All I asked you was to talk to me about Eagles games. For real, dude? That is not my opinion.
(5) I also didn't say that, and you know for a fact that that is not my opinion.
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Sorry I didnt ask for your rambling. I asked for your evidence of outside the Bears community. I already provided evidence outside the Bears community.
PS. The Bears OL looks fine now that we have a QB not taking 3 seconds or more to throw the ball.
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Braxton Jones gave up two sacks in two games in critical situations. Jones was fuqin ***** slapped by the rusher both times. That's fine now?
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No one cares about anecdotes. Where is your evidence regarding outside the community? Or were you lying?
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@DanielCCSBears you've been Remy'd and now Gallagher'd. Into oblivion. At what point do you just find another player to be proven wrong about and give your high horse a respite from your fat ass? High horse is broken and googling glue factories. .