The get c.j. Watson out of our 2nd string thread

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i wont agree with that from w3hat i saw of him hes a lighter cj

Luke is a pure point guard and Watson clearly is not. Watson is a very poorman's Gordon. He is the size of a point guard but has no court vision at all. Ridnour sees the floor and can make plays and that is what we need. Watson is not the right fit at all and Ridnour only cost 500k more per season. Replacing Watson has become a number 1 goal now for the Bulls.
 

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i dont think he's that bad. he's a terrible shooter.
 

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I don't think Ridnour would be an upgrade really, at least CJ can get his own shot to an extent, which for our backup point guard is a useful skill to have. We don't really have a bunch of scorers off the bench for a pure point to set up, we need someone who can make something happen on his own on occasion.
 

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i have no idea how watson is still alive. the guy keeps driving it and driving it. I love how he generates fouls. He has that going for him. I t hink he's making under 3 million. really how much more can you ask for?
 

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I would take a playmaking PG for a backup over a shooting PG for a backup 7 days a week. Ridnour would have been a better pickup. He would have been able to get the ball into players hands like Korver. Watson cannot make the pass. He dribbles all over the place. He is not a true point guard. I'll take the player that can create for others over the player that is going to once and while is going to score 10 points for you. Watson belongs in the D-league.
 

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I think people are really not giving Watson enough credit. I believe he has the best assist:turnover ratio on the team. He is as high-percentage of a shooter as Kirk Hinrich was, too, overall.

If Bulls' fans want to blame something for the 3-3 record, it should be Tom Thibodeau pulling the plug early on the Knicks game, the fact that Boston is the best team in the East, and the fact that James Johnson/Brian Scalabrine/Omer Asik are getting as many minutes as they are.
 

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I think its funny 5 pages have been devoted to CJ Watson.
 

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I think people are really not giving Watson enough credit. I believe he has the best assist:turnover ratio on the team. He is as high-percentage of a shooter as Kirk Hinrich was, too, overall.

If Bulls' fans want to blame something for the 3-3 record, it should be Tom Thibodeau pulling the plug early on the Knicks game, the fact that Boston is the best team in the East, and the fact that James Johnson/Brian Scalabrine/Omer Asik are getting as many minutes as they are.

this its a 2-sided thing but i think it was for the best he showed his team he will play whoever does exactly what he wants...he wants hard nosed D & the O will come in stride the 1st unit played no D i repeat NO D they werent closing out on shooters inside or outside the 3-point line & they were getting killed as a result the 2nd string came in & knocked the lead down to single digits buy playing with the hard nosed D he wanted so he punished the 1st string by showing them early in the season...at home he would yank you & put you on the pine if you didnt follow his plan & wouldnt put you back in regardless of the score or the crowds chants. & rewarded the 2nd unit with extended playing time,allowing them to close the game even though they lost & showed faith in the 2nd unit all in one swipe........you see how that 1st unit has played since we came out & almost beat the c's(a game i think we got robbed for) & were playing correctly so now coach t has more than likely found the rotation he wants after 6 games that aint bad at all
 

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I think people are really not giving Watson enough credit. I believe he has the best assist:turnover ratio on the team. He is as high-percentage of a shooter as Kirk Hinrich was, too, overall.

If Bulls' fans want to blame something for the 3-3 record, it should be Tom Thibodeau pulling the plug early on the Knicks game, the fact that Boston is the best team in the East, and the fact that James Johnson/Brian Scalabrine/Omer Asik are getting as many minutes as they are.

I think Thibodeau did right in sitting those players in the Knicks game. The second squad made the last comeback. Noah and Rose have foot problems. You can't overrun those boys this early in the season.

Omer Asik should get those minutes...who else are you going to give them to? Shortening the rotation will be beneficial but he has to preserve his players also.
 

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I think Thibodeau did right in sitting those players in the Knicks game. The second squad made the last comeback. Noah and Rose have foot problems. You can't overrun those boys this early in the season.

Omer Asik should get those minutes...who else are you going to give them to? Shortening the rotation will be beneficial but he has to preserve his players also.

Well, whether or not that the "right or wrong" decision, sitting the starters for the last 8:30 was the reason that they had no chance of winning that game.

And, I agree, there is nothing to do about Asik's PT until Boozer gets here. But he isn't very good at all yet. When you have those 3 guys playing a combined 35+ minutes per-game... your team is going to be pretty limited...
 

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Well, whether or not that the "right or wrong" decision, sitting the starters for the last 8:30 was the reason that they had no chance of winning that game.

And, I agree, there is nothing to do about Asik's PT until Boozer gets here. But he isn't very good at all yet. When you have those 3 guys playing a combined 35+ minutes per-game... your team is going to be pretty limited...

I don't know how you can say that when the actual comeback was made by the bench. That is why they were left out there. That along with certain players needing rest makes sense to me...
 

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I don't know how you can say that when the actual comeback was made by the bench. That is why they were left out there. That along with certain players needing rest makes sense to me...

Because the bench was out there for like at least 5 minutes of that 4th quarter... they were obviously going to be winded by the time that 3:00 mark came up.

When your team is down by 8, in a fast-paced game, who do you trust more to actually win the game down-the-stretch?

Watson-Korver-Johnson-Scalabrine-Asik? (bad defensive unit)

or

Rose-Bogans/Watson-Deng-Gibson(who was playing well)-Noah
(who were all sitting on the bench and rooting hard for their teammates...quite into the game).
 

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Because the bench was out there for like at least 5 minutes of that 4th quarter... they were obviously going to be winded by the time that 3:00 mark came up.

When your team is down by 8, in a fast-paced game, who do you trust more to actually win the game down-the-stretch?

Watson-Korver-Johnson-Scalabrine-Asik? (bad defensive unit)

or

Rose-Bogans/Watson-Deng-Gibson(who was playing well)-Noah
(who were all sitting on the bench and rooting hard for their teammates...quite into the game).

but they were playing :turrible: when they were on the court which is why thibbs put them on the pine..the bench played d like they should have & let the offense come to them which got them back in the game so thibbs rewarded the group with letting them possibly come back & win
 

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but they were playing :turrible: when they were on the court which is why thibbs put them on the pine..the bench played d like they should have & let the offense come to them which got them back in the game so thibbs rewarded the group with letting them possibly come back & win

All I'm saying is that was a mistake. Just my opinion.
 

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All I'm saying is that was a mistake. Just my opinion.

i totally agree if he puts the starters back in would could be 4-2 right now but he was trying to stand tall & prove a point that he wants you to play D or sit
 

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i totally agree if he puts the starters back in would could be 4-2 right now but he was trying to stand tall & prove a point that he wants you to play D or sit

Yeah, I know. But honestly, I just didn't think it was the right thing to do.

It would have sent a bigger message to the starters if he let them stay on the floor and let them hear the final buzzer sound... and not let them sit on the bench. (some would argue that is giving them special treatment).

And that group TT had out there was awful on defense... despite the effort.
 

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Rose couldn't stop douglas at all. tony douglas was abusing him all night long. Bringing him, deng, and noah would just change the characters that got humiliated that night. The knicks were just destined to win that game.
 

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Rose couldn't stop douglas at all. tony douglas was abusing him all night long. Bringing him, deng, and noah would just change the characters that got humiliated that night. The knicks were just destined to win that game.

Again. Gotta disagree.

Being down by 8 to a D'Antoni team is like being down by 4 to a Popovich team.
 

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Because the bench was out there for like at least 5 minutes of that 4th quarter... they were obviously going to be winded by the time that 3:00 mark came up.

When your team is down by 8, in a fast-paced game, who do you trust more to actually win the game down-the-stretch?

Watson-Korver-Johnson-Scalabrine-Asik? (bad defensive unit)

or

Rose-Bogans/Watson-Deng-Gibson(who was playing well)-Noah
(who were all sitting on the bench and rooting hard for their teammates...quite into the game).

WHO actually made that comeback? You have it backwards...the bench was the one who came back in that 4th quarter. So he left them out there. That "bad defensive unit" was the bad defensive unit that cost them that game. The starters were...
 

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