The Jon Lester Discussion Thread

[SilenceS]

no one knows if there is an actual window that exists since no one is proven with no rotation, or atleast an ace.


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Rizzo and Castro are a good start. Stop acting like everyone is going to bomb. Even statistics wont back that statement. The odds are in the Cubs favor with the prospects. The last time the Cubs produced a top 5 farm was the year before they made it to the NLCS. This farm is deeper and could take the injury hits that we couldnt take back then. The odds and the money. The Cubs wont be down long. You know it. I know it. Let your inner troll know it.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

The Cubs shouldn't go a 7th year even if it costs them Lester. As much as I want the Cubs to spend money and improve faster, that's going to be too much to absorb on the back end.

I also don't want them to go over 25 a year unless the deal is for 5 years, which it won't be.

6/140 is realistically ideal, 6/150 is max

 

[SilenceS]

The Cubs shouldn't go a 7th year even if it costs them Lester. As much as I want the Cubs to spend money and improve faster, that's going to be too much to absorb on the back end.

I also don't want them to go over 25 a year unless the deal is for 5 years, which it won't be.

6/140 is realistically ideal, 6/150 is max

Whatever deals they make, they will want them to come off the books before these kids arbitrations are up. They have to plan for every scenario and some may wind up getting huge paydays in time. Also, how long before Rizzo bitches about his contract.

Rizzo-
BA-.286
OBP-.386
SLG- .527
OPS-.913
OPS+ 151
32 Homeruns

140 Games age 24

1,25 Million made this year. Wont make over 10 million a year until age 29. 7 years 41 million with two team options at 14.5 million each

Stanton
,288 BA
.395 OBP
.555 SLG
.950 OPS
160 OPS+
37 homeruns

145 games played at 24. Made 6.5 million this year. He willl be paid 6.5 million next year. 9 million the year after. 14.5 million the year after that and then 25 plus million every year after. Even if he opts out. He isnt opting out for less money.

Add in that Rizzo is probably going to win a GG at first before it is done. The Cubs have a steal of a deal for his production. I just hope he doesnt start getting antsy if he puts up another season or two of these numbers and thinks he deserves more because he would be right.

 

[DewsSox79]

Rizzo and Castro are a good start. Stop acting like everyone is going to bomb. Even statistics wont back that statement. The odds are in the Cubs favor with the prospects. The last time the Cubs produced a top 5 farm was the year before they made it to the NLCS. This farm is deeper and could take the injury hits that we couldnt take back then. The odds and the money. The Cubs wont be down long. You know it. I know it. Let your inner troll know it.

if you believe that, thats on you. sure castro and rizzo are proven but if castro gets moved that leaves you with rizzo. also this is all while not trading any of them for tor pitching. you cant say majority are going to pan out or even all of them which is really needed for the cubs to be a threat.


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[Zvbxrpl]

I stopped reading right here. If that is the offer Lester never takes a call from the Cubs again and asks his new team for a NTC to the Cubs.

Everything said right here.

This is simple, and it baffles me how some cubs fans dont get this: If you want a good free agent with no strings attached, you gotta pay for it. Lester ain't signing a <100 million dollar deal unless its about family/personal life stuff.

But like many before him, 6 years, 120 mil would be starts of negotiations, and I'd be prepared to go up.

Windy's 6 years, 140 sounds a lot more credible.

 

[SilenceS]

if you believe that, thats on you. sure castro and rizzo are proven but if castro gets moved that leaves you with rizzo. also this is all while not trading any of them for tor pitching. you cant say majority are going to pan out or even all of them which is really needed for the cubs to be a threat.


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They in no way shape or form need all of them to pan out. They need 2 or 3 and have the money and assets to get what they want. No team can beat our packages except maybe the Twins. Also, if they ship out Castro its going to be for proven major league talent and nothing else. Its ok Dews. You can sit next to me when the Cubbies reach the Series. Ill even buy you a hot dog. No beer though. I only get chicks drunk.

 

[JosMin]

6 years, $140 million. Full NTC. Getting him or Scherzer should be priority one after acquiring Maddon. Then upgrading the catching position and finding a quality everyday left fielder.

 

[CSF77]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story...-pablo-sandoval-five-year-95-million-contract

 

[Boobaby1]

6 yrs. and 160 million gets Lester. End of Story.

Want an Ace. Pay for an Ace.

Ink him, then trade some talent for another top tier pitcher at the deadline and your pitching is set until the newbies star to arrive.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

If they were to sign Lester, would you guys want to still go after Zimmerman, if he agreed to an extension?

Some package like Alcantara, Tseng, and Wood?

Gives a rotation of Lester, Zimmerman, Arrieta, Hendricks, and Turner.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Lester will come back to Boston and be apart of the great lend robbery

 

[DewsSox79]

If they were to sign Lester, would you guys want to still go after Zimmerman, if he agreed to an extension?

Some package like Alcantara, Tseng, and Wood?

Gives a rotation of Lester, Zimmerman, Arrieta, Hendricks, and Turner.

right cus that package would land zimmerman. jesus


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[DewsSox79]

6 years, $140 million. Full NTC. Getting him or Scherzer should be priority one after acquiring Maddon. Then upgrading the catching position and finding a quality everyday left fielder.

thats all you need? so everything else is fine ?


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[JosMin]

thats all you need? so everything else is fine ?


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Yep. One starter, left field and catcher.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yep. One starter, left field and catcher.

damn. WS bound if you do that...nice. I totally buy in that all the specs will be studs.


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[JZsportsfan]

If they were to sign Lester, would you guys want to still go after Zimmerman, if he agreed to an extension?

Some package like Alcantara, Tseng, and Wood?

Gives a rotation of Lester, Zimmerman, Arrieta, Hendricks, and Turner.

If that's all it took to acquire him. I think a deal would have already been made

damn. WS bound if you do that...nice. I totally buy in that all the specs will be studs.


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You have to have spots for them to play. Not gonna find out if they are MLB regulars if they sit on the bench watching some overpaid FA play above them. Need to have a spot for them, and if they struggle address the position next offseason or at the deadline

 

[Boobaby1]

If they were to sign Lester, would you guys want to still go after Zimmerman, if he agreed to an extension?

Some package like Alcantara, Tseng, and Wood?

Gives a rotation of Lester, Zimmerman, Arrieta, Hendricks, and Turner.

I think a trade to someone like the Reds for Latos because of age, or depending on what the A's do next year, maybe go after Gray.

Most will depend if they land a TOR this offseason. If they do, look for them to get onto the strong #2 type in the next year. If they land that #2 this year, look for them to bid high or trade for an ACE.

 

[Boobaby1]

thats all you need?

Reminds me of Steve Martin in "The Jerk". That's all I need. LOL.

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_yl...&p=that's all i need by steve martin the jerk

 

[DewsSox79]

If that's all it took to acquire him. I think a deal would have already been made



You have to have spots for them to play. Not gonna find out if they are MLB regulars if they sit on the bench watching some overpaid FA play above them. Need to have a spot for them, and if they struggle address the position next offseason or at the deadline

i agree with both quotes


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[ijustposthere]

I offer 4 yrs @ 71.5 million and wait for a response. No way do I go 6 yrs with a guy in his 30s already unless the price is really reasonable, and I assume I am going to lose a yr or much of one during that span/get a #3/4 starter for the last 2 yrs of that deal. I might go 4yr/88 million at most....somewhere like that. 5 yrs maybe 103.5 milion or so.

I don't see why some people want to break the bank on a guy who will be in his mid 30s (33 is your mid 30s imho) by the time we are legit contenders for the WS based on the trajectory we are on now.

If Lester was 28, it be a COMPLETELY different story, but he is 31 next yr, and he has put that arms through the ringer over the last what 8 seasons?

Eventually give him top ten money for sure, but no way do you give this guy top 5 money in his 30s....that's a recipe for disaster.

If the Bosox wanna give dude 5 yrs/ 125 million the cubs front office should let them have him.

Your thoughts about Lester and how much they should invest in him?

Do you realize how bad your post is when you have me thanking Brett?