The Last Dance Thread

[Crystallas]

This whole Last Dance... while excellent, continues the same narratives that I wish weren't pushed so hard. 1988-1991 Bulls, the story during those seasons was soooooo much better. Kids be like.. this Last Dance era Jordan, a lot of them see him play and are wow'ed, think he is definitely the GOAT. But the sad thing is, they get so little of the best Jordan, classic rip your face off and punish you on both ends, one vs five every single game Jordan. That was a transformation unlike anything in sports history. Answering his critics the same day, not letting an army of fans fight for him. He did that himself by his own actions. That was incredible, and you watched it because you wanted to see how he was going to do it, and he pretty much did it every time.

Second 3-peat, great stuff, but I hope ESPN or whoever does that period correctly in detail. Nothing beats that evolution for players and team as a sports fan.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Gambling episode coming this week.

Accessory to murder stuff?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Also so cool that some of you are turning this into a MJ vs Lebron debate. Awesome job, guys!

 

[knoxville7]

Everyone seems to think that the 2nd three peat bulls were better than the 1st three peat bulls. I disagree. It may be it’s just further back and so the ages of some posters forget or don’t recall...but, those first 3 championship teams were amazing. The fast break coming at you of Jordan, Pippen, and grant...all under 30 years old...that shit was nasty.

people don’t seem to remember just how good Horace was in those days. Guy could rebound not quite at a Dennis Rodman level, but could score the basketball and hit a jump shot...and he was much better on the fast break, someone you weren’t afraid to pass the ball to for fear of a turnover on the break.

the bulls were always a great defensive team in both 3 peats, but they were just younger on the 1st. They didn’t have to pick and choose spots when to get aggressive defensively...it was constant then

i also think the best team they played in the finals was Charles Barkley’s suns.

 

[zack54attack]

Accessory to murder stuff?

Willing to bet...no.

 

[Scoot26]

Everyone seems to think that the 2nd three peat bulls were better than the 1st three peat bulls. I disagree. It may be it’s just further back and so the ages of some posters forget or don’t recall...but, those first 3 championship teams were amazing. The fast break coming at you of Jordan, Pippen, and grant...all under 30 years old...that shit was nasty.

people don’t seem to remember just how good Horace was in those days. Guy could rebound not quite at a Dennis Rodman level, but could score the basketball and hit a jump shot...and he was much better on the fast break, someone you weren’t afraid to pass the ball to for fear of a turnover on the break.

the bulls were always a great defensive team in both 3 peats, but they were just younger on the 1st. They didn’t have to pick and choose spots when to get aggressive defensively...it was constant then

i also think the best team they played in the finals was Charles Barkley’s suns.

Part of this may be a "when I was born" type thing. For me, I was too young during the first three peat. My only memory is when they won in 1993, us neighborhood kids weren't even watching. A neighbor shot off a firework when Paxson hit the three and one of the older girls starting screaming "Bulls win! Bulls win!" and everyone ran inside. I got in just as the game ended and the celebration began. That's all I remember. I wasn't even into basketball yet.

In 96-98 I would say I was still too young to appreciate it, but lived through it more so. I wasn't a kid who sat still very well, so I wouldn't say I watched a whole lot of actual games, even the Finals. I saw the final moment of every Game 6, but in some cases I couldn't tell you what happened.

Given all I have to go off of is stats, analysis, and highlight videos, I would agree the 1st three peat Bulls are better then the 2nd three peat Bulls. I think the NBA was more competitive in the early 90s vs the late 90s. Talent hadn't begun its massive shift to the West yet. By 1998, the East is Jordan and lower tier All-Stars like Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, an aging falling apart Patrick Ewing, and not really much else of significance.

 

[DrGonzo]

So many memories. I was living and working in DC in '91 and got the call my dad had cancer and moved back to Chicago in a matter of days to take care of him. I remember the Pistons walking off like it was yesterday. And when they won that first championship it was just magic, like the city had just been waiting for that moment. Elmer Fudd would have gotten laid that night.

 

[TL1961]

I feel like in a way, this documentary is also helping Lebron. I forgot how much help Jordan had back in the day. I don't think Lebron has ever had as much help on his team as MJ did. Even Lebron's Heat team wasn't as good as Jordan's 96 Bulls. However, after saying all that, from what I've seen, MJ would average 45 in today's NBA. I also have a new appreciation for Rodman

Lebron has three titles, and two came when he played Robin to Wade's Batman.

 

[TL1961]

Part of this may be a "when I was born" type thing. For me, I was too young during the first three peat. My only memory is when they won in 1993, us neighborhood kids weren't even watching. A neighbor shot off a firework when Paxson hit the three and one of the older girls starting screaming "Bulls win! Bulls win!" and everyone ran inside. I got in just as the game ended and the celebration began. That's all I remember. I wasn't even into basketball yet.

In 96-98 I would say I was still too young to appreciate it, but lived through it more so. I wasn't a kid who sat still very well, so I wouldn't say I watched a whole lot of actual games, even the Finals. I saw the final moment of every Game 6, but in some cases I couldn't tell you what happened.

Given all I have to go off of is stats, analysis, and highlight videos, I would agree the 1st three peat Bulls are better then the 2nd three peat Bulls. I think the NBA was more competitive in the early 90s vs the late 90s. Talent hadn't begun its massive shift to the West yet. By 1998, the East is Jordan and lower tier All-Stars like Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, an aging falling apart Patrick Ewing, and not really much else of significance.

An "aging Ewing", 34-36 during the second threepeat, younger than Rodman and 6 months older than Jordan.

The second threepeat included a 72-10 season! They were definitely better with Rodman, Harper, and the core.

 

[nbafan23]

Bulks during the first 3 peat were a young team. The 2nd one they were the oldest in the league.

 

[anotheridiot]

sounds like dream team to come up this weekend, surely will hear the Isiah whining about being kept off the team by MJ and Scottie.

 

[jooo83]

I'm enjoying The Last Dance. But am I the only one concerned that this documentary actually hurts the Bulls' organization? You can argue that it makes the Bulls relevant again and that's a positive thing. But it is universally believed that big time FAs won't sign here because of the actions of the FO when they broke up the 1990's Bulls' dynasty. So you can make the case that The Last Dance is only reinforcing negative sentiment against the FO and the organization. Yes, Krause is gone and their is a brand new VP and GM. But Reinsdorf is still the chairman and I don't think he's said anything during the documentary to win over any doubters.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1257120140899913728

??

 

[TL1961]

Tonight's takeaway:

Nike hoped that by the end of Year 4, sales of Air Jordans would reach $3m per year.

They sold $126 million in Year 1.

 

[SilenceS]

Tonight's takeaway:

Nike hoped that by the end of Year 4, sales of Air Jordans would reach $3m per year.

They sold $126 million in Year 1.

Jordan made 130 million in 2019 just in shoe sales. One year. More than he made his entire tenure with the Bulls

 

[anotheridiot]

I'm enjoying The Last Dance. But am I the only one concerned that this documentary actually hurts the Bulls' organization? You can argue that it makes the Bulls relevant again and that's a positive thing. But it is universally believed that big time FAs won't sign here because of the actions of the FO when they broke up the 1990's Bulls' dynasty. So you can make the case that The Last Dance is only reinforcing negative sentiment against the FO and the organization. Yes, Krause is gone and their is a brand new VP and GM. But Reinsdorf is still the chairman and I don't think he's said anything during the documentary to win over any doubters.

I think this is the only thing all of us fans were fully aware of during the title runs, Krause wanted to credit everyone EXCEPT the players. Watching Krause trying to **** up the chemistry with the Kukoc pining all the years he stayed in Europe, then fucking over Scottie, really tired me of watching those players winning for that guy. Last week there was a comment about how much Jordan had around him. It was only Scottie and role players that I doubt would find a spot on other teams. Every GM around the league was just waiting for Krause to run them out.

What stuck out with me this week was that Horace got blamed for the Jordan Rules inside information and he was gone to Orlando.

 

[TheWinman]

Also so cool that some of you are turning this into a MJ vs Lebron debate. Awesome job, guys!

There is no debate and it should even be more obvious after watching this.

 

[TheWinman]

Everyone seems to think that the 2nd three peat bulls were better than the 1st three peat bulls. I disagree. It may be it’s just further back and so the ages of some posters forget or don’t recall...but, those first 3 championship teams were amazing. The fast break coming at you of Jordan, Pippen, and grant...all under 30 years old...that shit was nasty.

people don’t seem to remember just how good Horace was in those days. Guy could rebound not quite at a Dennis Rodman level, but could score the basketball and hit a jump shot...and he was much better on the fast break, someone you weren’t afraid to pass the ball to for fear of a turnover on the break.

the bulls were always a great defensive team in both 3 peats, but they were just younger on the 1st. They didn’t have to pick and choose spots when to get aggressive defensively...it was constant then

i also think the best team they played in the finals was Charles Barkley’s suns.

excellent post that was actually backed up last night, every part of what you said.

 

[TheWinman]

An "aging Ewing", 34-36 during the second threepeat, younger than Rodman and 6 months older than Jordan.

The second threepeat included a 72-10 season! They were definitely better with Rodman, Harper, and the core.

Even Jordan has said the first three-peat team was better then the second

 

[dweebs19]

You know, I'm starting to see things from Krause's point of view. Just imagine that you trade for some kid from some school in Arkansas, you fire Doug Collins after he takes you to the ECF to hire Jackson, you decide to acquire Rodman, you go to Europe and find Kukoc. You do this and win 6 championships. Why would you not think you could win and do it without Jordan and Phil Jackson? You have been on fire for 8 years...so you think your streak will continue.