The Last Dance Thread

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Everyone seems to think that the 2nd three peat bulls were better than the 1st three peat bulls. I disagree. It may be it’s just further back and so the ages of some posters forget or don’t recall...but, those first 3 championship teams were amazing. The fast break coming at you of Jordan, Pippen, and grant...all under 30 years old...that shit was nasty.

people don’t seem to remember just how good Horace was in those days. Guy could rebound not quite at a Dennis Rodman level, but could score the basketball and hit a jump shot...and he was much better on the fast break, someone you weren’t afraid to pass the ball to for fear of a turnover on the break.

the bulls were always a great defensive team in both 3 peats, but they were just younger on the 1st. They didn’t have to pick and choose spots when to get aggressive defensively...it was constant then

i also think the best team they played in the finals was Charles Barkley’s suns.

The second three peat team was allot deeper and stacked. So I give more credit to what the first three peat team did over the second.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

To put things in perspective when Jordan retired that team led by pippen was a bad referee away from making it to the finals again

 

[zack54attack]

They left out Bobby Hansen and the bench in that '92 Finals:

 

[anotheridiot]

You know, I'm starting to see things from Krause's point of view. Just imagine that you trade for some kid from some school in Arkansas, you fire Doug Collins after he takes you to the ECF to hire Jackson, you decide to acquire Rodman, you go to Europe and find Kukoc. You do this and win 6 championships. Why would you not think you could win and do it without Jordan and Phil Jackson? You have been on fire for 8 years...so you think your streak will continue.

If they would have shut Jordan down when he broke his foot, they could have drafted Pippen with the lottery pick.

Rodman was on the second three peat team

Kukoc was drafted in 1990, so if Krause had his way he would have been here for the first three peat, not be on the team that ended the run, and the problems the "lusting over Kukoc" caused might have change the whole team anyway.

Krause was a spoiled little man with a Napoleon complex. He tried to kill the second three peat by mouthing off in November about Phils not coming back and Jordan will have to leave. I am shocked Krause made it to the games in one piece.

 

[JimJohnson]

To put things in perspective when Jordan retired that team led by pippen was a bad referee away from making it to the finals again

For sure but they definitely wouldn't have beaten Houston.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

If they would have shut Jordan down when he broke his foot, they could have drafted Pippen with the lottery pick.

Rodman was on the second three peat team

Kukoc was drafted in 1990, so if Krause had his way he would have been here for the first three peat, not be on the team that ended the run, and the problems the "lusting over Kukoc" caused might have change the whole team anyway.

Krause was a spoiled little man with a Napoleon complex. He tried to kill the second three peat by mouthing off in November about Phils not coming back and Jordan will have to leave. I am shocked Krause made it to the games in one piece.

blame the owner who has had what a couple lines so far during this whole special. That **** sucker enables this behavior. We see it with the disaster of the paxson era And how the White Sox are run. Way too much is being thrown at Krause he could have been fired and thrown out the building.

 

[knoxville7]

For sure but they definitely wouldn't have beaten Houston.

those Houston teams were really damn good. thats the one thing I wish we could of seen, if Jordan hadn’t gone to play baseball...a bulls/rockets finals would of been damn good. The best player ever vs the best center ever

 

[Leomaz]

Just finished with #6.
Morale of the story....don’t piss off Jordan

 

[Leomaz]

You know, I'm starting to see things from Krause's point of view. Just imagine that you trade for some kid from some school in Arkansas, you fire Doug Collins after he takes you to the ECF to hire Jackson, you decide to acquire Rodman, you go to Europe and find Kukoc. You do this and win 6 championships. Why would you not think you could win and do it without Jordan and Phil Jackson? You have been on fire for 8 years...so you think your streak will continue.

Because you did not do it the 2 years Jordan was gone. That in of itself should have told you what you have with Micheal and that you do exactly what he thinks is best for the team. Jerry Krause could have gone down with the legacy of winning 6 championships but not his legacy includes dribbling the greatest player in the NBA and Chicago away from the team.

 

[Leomaz]

To put things in perspective when Jordan retired that team led by pippen was a bad referee away from making it to the finals again

But it should have never came down to that. It did and they did not win. If Micheal had been on the team the odds would have gone up. Still not a for sure thing though

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

They left out Bobby Hansen and the bench in that '92 Finals:

I remember asking my dad why they didn't have Jordan in the game if they were down and the win would seal the championship. He was all, "gotta listen to the coach, he knows best." I think I pouted.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Part of me wants to see a roundtable, as well as you could in May 2020, with guys like Scotty Burrell, Rusty LaRue, Dickey Simpkins, etc. and them talking about their experience before/during/after joining the Bulls.

But **** Gar's snitch Randy Brown.

 

[anotheridiot]

blame the owner who has had what a couple lines so far during this whole special. That **** sucker enables this behavior. We see it with the disaster of the paxson era And how the White Sox are run. Way too much is being thrown at Krause he could have been fired and thrown out the building.

Everyone told Jerry to stay away from Krause and Jerry was not going to let anyone tell him how to run his team.

Krause made the Pippen Deal, that 7/18 to kiss Jerry's ass, but Jerry did not want that, so he told Pippen not to sign the deal.

Krause just wanted more credit for the team whether he deserved it or not.

We have just seen current history of delaying the move of Paxson from the GM job, then the past two weeks everyone blaming Gar for every move, so why not blame Paxson for not firing him.

This new guy, I just did not get why he immediately said he was going to hire a black general manager. We just wanted the most qualified.

 

[TL1961]

If they would have shut Jordan down when he broke his foot, they could have drafted Pippen with the lottery pick.

Rodman was on the second three peat team

Kukoc was drafted in 1990, so if Krause had his way he would have been here for the first three peat, not be on the team that ended the run, and the problems the "lusting over Kukoc" caused might have change the whole team anyway.

Krause was a spoiled little man with a Napoleon complex. He tried to kill the second three peat by mouthing off in November about Phils not coming back and Jordan will have to leave. I am shocked Krause made it to the games in one piece.

You do realize that Pippen to the Bulls was planned and orchestrated as need due to Seattle picking higher, right? It wasn't some afterthought where Seattle didn't want him and Krause just got lucky.

I am not here to defend Krause. Just saying that Scottie WAS his pick - he just needed to have Seattle make the actual pick.

 

[TL1961]

Kukoc was available where he was drafted because of the delay in coming to the NBA. If he could have come immediately he'd have gone higher.

 

[zack54attack]

You do realize that Pippen to the Bulls was planned and orchestrated as need due to Seattle picking higher, right? It wasn't some afterthought where Seattle didn't want him and Krause just got lucky.

I am not here to defend Krause. Just saying that Scottie WAS his pick - he just needed to have Seattle make the actual pick.

Yep. They even said it in the doc too, I believe.

 

[mecha]

Krause did his job well, he assembled those teams. but he was a small man complex dickhead. let's not that go overlooked. Jordan and Pippen's attitudes could've been better, but Krause didn't help matters at all, he made them worse. I still don't understand the logic in "I don't care if you go 82-0 you're fucking out of here" about Phil Jackson. Krause was the one that got Jackson there in the first place, it's not like he wasn't his guy or something, what was up with that?

1st 3-peat team just had energy, 2nd 3-peat team was way deeper with talent. this series made me realize how much I missed Horace Grant, he was my dude back in the day, but Rodman was the most cerebral player probably ever. he made it look like he fucked around a lot, but he was dead serious about the game.

I JUST binged 1-4 and saw 5-6 last night, I miss THAT NBA a lot.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

I live for the moments in which Jordan just completely shits on Krause lol

 

[dweebs19]

Seriously....any player that Krause liked, Jordan tried to destroy. Poor Dan Majerle and Tony Kukoc just minding their own business and catching strays.

 

[anotheridiot]

You do realize that Pippen to the Bulls was planned and orchestrated as need due to Seattle picking higher, right? It wasn't some afterthought where Seattle didn't want him and Krause just got lucky.

I am not here to defend Krause. Just saying that Scottie WAS his pick - he just needed to have Seattle make the actual pick.

I am just saying, no trade would have been needed if they just kept Jordan out instead of allowing him take the team to the playoffs.