The Most Important Move That MUST Be Done Before Trade Deadline.

[houheffna]

you can explore all day but will he be able to get the job done?

you bring up all these moves he explored yet he got none of them done

...now look at each move, and ask yourself WHY things didn't get done. So its because of Paxson that Kobe chose to stay in LA? Garnett stayed in Minnesota? Lebron went to Miami? That was Paxson's doing? Lol...I don't think so.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

 

[Axl Rose]

...now look at each move, and ask yourself WHY things didn't get done. So its because of Paxson that Kobe chose to stay in LA? Garnett stayed in Minnesota? Lebron went to Miami? That was Paxson's doing? Lol...I don't think so.

you got to find a way to get the job done...a great gm i think woulda been able to work those opportunities and got alteast one of them done

boston did it
lakers did it
miami did it

 

[scottiepippen1994]

you got to find a way to get the job done...a great gm i think woulda been able to work those opportunities and got alteast one of them done

boston did it
lakers did it
miami did it

And PaxGar never do......This is the main point of our arguement that our fellow Bulls fan forum poster and friend Hue isnt understanding.
The point is PaxGar havnt showed us once that they are capable of high level moves to get this franchise to a championship level even with the opportunities that have been right in front of there faces every season at some point throughout every season.
PaxGar just are NOT opportunists.

Do they put okay teams together? Well yes.....
But "okay" isnt good enough if you are serious about bringing titles to Chicago again....

IT JUST COMES A TIME WHEN CHANGES IN PERSONEL IN CHARGE OF OPERATIONS IS A LOGICAL MOVE TO GET TO ANOTHER LEVEL.
PAXGAR HAVE ALREADY PEAKED.
OUT WITH THE OLD AND IN WITH THE NEW.....

ITS TIME, AND THE TIME COULDNT BE BETTER...........TIME FOR NEW LEADERSHIP, ANOTHER VISION AND A DIFFERENT BRAIN IN THE FRONT OFFICE...

Opportunist in front offices bring championships to there franchise.

For example,
Jerry Buss was an opportunist
Pat Riley is an opportunist.

P A X G A R A R E N O T OPPORTUNISTS.......THEY PROBABLY DONT EVEN GO SHOPPING ON BLACK FRIDAY EITHER..
THEY WOULD RATHER OVERPAY FOR LESS VALUE..:shrug:

 

[Axl Rose]

look at morey

this guy had a middle of the pack team that was going nowhere...in a years time hes manged to get 2 superstars

the man got the job done...i cant see paxson being able to do that

if it we didnt get lucky with Rose no tellin where we would be right now

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Sitting around waitin for SOMTHIN only leaves you with a LITTLE SOMTHIN..........

Pax Gar raise there chickens in there mindless coop, and GoGetters go hunting for big game Buffaloes....

The front office needs a great Lakota chief like "Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake" or "Crazy Horse" who will bring back big tatanka(buffalo) to the village and people , and not accept government rations and broken eggs from the chicken coop like PaxGar does for there people.....

If i were the Reinsdorffs, i would reach my hand out to Phil Jackson and persuade him to take PaxGars job and let him run things as he see fit......Phil is 1 of the biggest success and masterminds in Bulls history.....I think he would qualify as a GM.
PHIL HAS A GO GETTER MENTALITY SIMILAR TO PAT RILEYS....
IF REINSDORF gave Phil an offer he couldnt refuse, good pay, and would allow Phil to put his visions into action, i genuinely think Phil would consider it....Purhaps he would even be flattered......Phil is one who is well educated in Lakota history, philosphy, and all the great chiefs...Phil used to teach Lakota ways and philosphys to his players both with Chicago and L.A........Phil has what it takes to be BIG CHIEF of basketball operations....
Reinsdorff has an opportunity to mend an old relationship with Phil that was broken.......An opportunity for Reinsdorff to maximise his own legend in Chicago.......An opportunity finally for Phill to construct his very own vision of a roster......Probably CHAMPIONSHIP caliber which is all Phil has ever strived for as a leader, organizer and basketball visionary...Phil wouldnt settle for anything less than championship contention if he was in charge....

 

[Axl Rose]

like paxson said "we're letting the market come to us"

yes that was actually said...i swear this franchise has said some of the dumbest things...no wonder nobody wants to play here

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

look at morey

this guy had a middle of the pack team that was going nowhere...in a years time hes manged to get 2 superstars

the man got the job done...i cant see paxson being able to do that

if it we didnt get lucky with Rose no tellin where we would be right now

Yep.

Morey aggressively pursued James Harden when every NBA FO knew that OKC couldn't afford to sign him to a max deal after they had already signed KD & Westbrook to huge deals. Morey then turned around to aggressively pursue Dwight Howard & was actually able to convince Howard to sign in Houston for less money than the mighty Lakers were offering.

Meanwhile GarPax sit in their comfortable offices twidling their thumbs, counting JR's profits, & laughing at this stupid fanbase. They get away with it because they control the local media & the idiotic sheepish fans would rather crucify Derrick Rose for being injured instead of crucifying the FO for not being creative & aggressively pursuing superstar NBA players.

 

[ginny]

a great gm i think woulda been able to work those opportunities and got alteast one of them done

Hello Gentlemen...

First let me say that that is pure speculation.

But I agree with you 100% that a GM needs to find a way to get it done, and, am also in the camp that doesn't believe ours can, mostly because of the ineptitude of the entire front office as a whole, and partially due to some of the silly team rules and personality evaluations (although necessary, but only to a point) the front office implements.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that the Bulls FO is in over its head and is generally not taken seriously enough through the eyes of the players association.

 

[houheffna]

Yep.

Morey aggressively pursued James Harden when every NBA FO knew that OKC couldn't afford to sign him to a max deal after they had already signed KD & Westbrook to huge deals. Morey then turned around to aggressively pursue Dwight Howard & was actually able to convince Howard to sign in Houston for less money than the mighty Lakers were offering.

Meanwhile GarPax sit in their comfortable offices twidling their thumbs, counting JR's profits, & laughing at this stupid fanbase. They get away with it because they control the local media & the idiotic sheepish fans would rather crucify Derrick Rose for being injured instead of crucifying the FO for not being creative & aggressively pursuing superstar NBA players.

And if you are OKC...what deal does Chicago offer to match Houston's offer? All of a sudden Reinsdorf has power over the media? And when wasn't the Bulls aggressive in pursuing superstars? I agree that they have not gotten effectual results, but to say that they did not pursue top players in the league is absolutely false.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Some people just are too damned stubborn to get the memo.

Let me rephrase this again.....

PAXGARS TIME IS UP...........THERE VISION IS OVER....

 

[Axl Rose]

Some people just are too damned stubborn to get the memo.

Let me rephrase this again.....

PAXGARS TIME IS UP...........THERE VISION IS OVER....

i guess ppl want another 10 years of defensive minded teams with only one shot creator that are always a few pieces away from being being a legit threat

oh yeah i hope we can find a good coach because dumb and dumber are about run thibs out of chicago because thibs was upset with their piss poor roster moves and held on on signing the contract extension

 

[Axl Rose]

they fired Ron Adams because he spoke up about roster moves

Adams was a guy that had personal relationships with some of the players including Derrick Rose....and because he spoke the truth they canned him



they think they are better than everybody else and they havent even done shit to feel that way...and these are guys you want to keep running the team? i dont

im liking the idea Scottie brought up about Phil Jackson as GM

 

[scottiepippen1994]

they fired Ron Adams because he spoke up about roster moves

Adams was a guy that had personal relationships with some of the players including Derrick Rose....and because he spoke the truth they canned him



they think they are better than everybody else and they havent even done shit to feel that way...and these are guys you want to keep running the team? i dont

im liking the idea Scottie brought up about Phil Jackson as GM

Exactly.....Gar fired the wrong assistant.....Period...Ron Adams is one of the most respected and most itelligent assistant coaches in the league.....Ron Adams would be a better than PaxGar in the front office.....

And people may laugh at my Phil Jackson speech, but it is logical and not an impossible idea that makes sense.......Unfortunately, the Reinsdorffs probably wouldnt hire a Gm that doesnt come with puppet strings attached for them to yank on........And Phil Jackson is no Puppet.....He is a Chief.....So i guess my dream most likely wont become reality with the current powers that be in this sick Special person, blind world...

And as far as Thibbs goes, i think hes pretty fet up with the F.O's shady ways...PaxGar wont have to fire him....Thibbs may just walk away on his own if this continues......

Thank you for not being delusional and nieve like some of the posters here that are brainwashed by mediocracy and stuck on stupid. I dont need to say there names cuz you know who they is...LoL
Its refreshing to know that some of the younger generation of fans arnt suckered into PaxGars standpatism.
PROPS TO YOU because there are some older people like myself that witnessed the dynasty Bulls era, unfortunately they seemed to have forgotten what it takes to win championships when they should know better...

MAYBE YOU AND I CAN TAKE PAXGARS JOB......
THEY CAN NICKNAME US "PIPDHINI", THE 2 HEADED MONSTER OF THE FRONT OFFICE.

 

[houheffna]

they fired Ron Adams because he spoke up about roster moves

Adams was a guy that had personal relationships with some of the players including Derrick Rose....and because he spoke the truth they canned him



they think they are better than everybody else and they havent even done shit to feel that way...and these are guys you want to keep running the team? i dont

im liking the idea Scottie brought up about Phil Jackson as GM

Where the hell do you get this shit from? You make up shit like you are a scorned wife or something!

You talk about Paxson and Forman thinking they are better than anyone else....................and then bring up Phil Jackson??? Unbelievable.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

HEY!!!!! IM THE 1 WHO CAME UP WITH AND SHARED THE PHIL JACKSON IDEA.....PICK ON ME!!!!!!!!!

Whats wrong with Phil Jackson?

Why is that such a horrible suggestion?

What suggestions for gm replacement have you come up with?

NONE, BECAUSE YOU STAND PAT?

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Yep.

Morey aggressively pursued James Harden when every NBA FO knew that OKC couldn't afford to sign him to a max deal after they had already signed KD & Westbrook to huge deals. Morey then turned around to aggressively pursue Dwight Howard & was actually able to convince Howard to sign in Houston for less money than the mighty Lakers were offering.

Meanwhile GarPax sit in their comfortable offices twidling their thumbs, counting JR's profits, & laughing at this stupid fanbase. They get away with it because they control the local media & the idiotic sheepish fans would rather crucify Derrick Rose for being injured instead of crucifying the FO for not being creative & aggressively pursuing superstar NBA players.

And if you are OKC...what deal does Chicago offer to match Houston's offer?

The following is what OKC received for Harden:

-Kevin Martin (was an expiring that played only one season in OKC)

-Jeremy Lamb (averaging 9 ppg & is reportedly being shopped by OKC)

-Steven Adams (the #12 overall pick from last draft that's averaging 4 ppg)

Are you telling me that GarPax could not get creative & offer a better package than Houston's?

All of a sudden Reinsdorf has power over the media?

The local media are his puppets. KC Johnson purposely sat on the Paxson/Del Negro fight story until the national media found out & reported it.

Just ask Jay Mariotti what happens when the local media gets on JR's bad side.

And when wasn't the Bulls aggressive in pursuing superstars?

It seems that you're quick to crucify Rose for "supposedly" not recruiting, yet you're quick to defend the Bulls FO for not doing their job. I give GarPax a pass for the Summer of 2010 (Lebron, Bosh, & Wade were never coming here), but they never even attempted to get Harden. If you want to call Jerry Krause & Benny The Bull meeting McGrady & Duncan at the airport as "aggressively pursuing", then go right ahead.

I agree that they have not gotten effectual results, but to say that they did not pursue top players in the league is absolutely false.

If it's false, why hasn't this team added a 2nd superstar to help Rose?

I know what your response will be........Rose didn't recruit :smh: .

 

[Axl Rose]

Where the hell do you get this shit from? You make up shit like you are a scorned wife or something!

You talk about Paxson and Forman thinking they are better than anyone else....................and then bring up Phil Jackson??? Unbelievable.

just look at what they're doing to thibs

and Phil Jackson is very respected

 

[Scoot26]

you got to find a way to get the job done...a great gm i think woulda been able to work those opportunities and got alteast one of them done

boston did it
lakers did it
miami did it

Danny Ainge and Kevin McHale made a collusion deal. What former Bull from 91-93 is a GM (or has control) besides the horrible Michael Jordan who gave us the Bobcats draft pick for Tyrus Thomas?

Lakers were the best team in the position at the time to get Pau Gasol. Jerry West retired and the new GM was willing to take on that expiring contract. Jerry West refused to make that kind of trade the previous years when the Bulls were in that position. Bad timing, bad luck.

Again, you can't force a player to come here if they don't want to. So I dont know how Miami plays into GarPax being a failure, especially since we all know the true story of Miami getting all three now.

 

[Scoot26]

The following is what OKC received for Harden:

-Kevin Martin (was an expiring that played only one season in OKC)

-Jeremy Lamb (averaging 9 ppg & is reportedly being shopped by OKC)

-Steven Adams (the #12 overall pick from last draft that's averaging 4 ppg)

Are you telling me that GarPax could not get creative & offer a better package than Houston's?

I'll admit I wasn't that involved in what OKC was doing with the Harden situation, but they essentially received a:

-Scoring Shooting Guard to replace the scoring that Harden did.
-A young SG with potential (hasnt worked out)
-A tall dude with potential who could replace Perkins if it works out (it didnt)

Now what could the Bulls have offered last year?
Of players they could have traded they had:
(Note: Gibson[extension], and freshly signed free agents Hinrich, Belinelli, Nate Robinson, Radmanovic, Cook could not be traded due to NBA rules)
-The $5 million expiring contract of Richard Hamilton who barely played in 2011-12
-Boozer's 3 years remaining on his contract. (OKC had just extended Sergio)
-Joakim Noah's 4 years remaining on his contract
-Luol Deng's 2 years remaining on his contract (they have Durant why the hell would they want Deng?)
-Jimmy Butler (Contract was small, would need more to match it)
-Marquis Teague (Small contract)


I'm out of players the Bulls could have traded.

So no, due to being a cap hell, and too many fresh new faces, the Bulls in no way could have gotten Harden unless they were willing to trade Joakim Noah.