The Myth of being contenders year after year for an extended period of time.

[KBisBack!]

Now, there are plenty of other teams out there that you could root for and I will go out on a limb and say with a certain confidence that nobody here or in that most dedicated Cub fanbase will miss you if even for a bit.

Once again the always mature, go root for another team instead of point out how poorly the team is being run.

Is it nap time for someone already?

But the sad truth to your breakfown here can be summed up in one word;

Cope

Yours can be summed up in one word also, ignorant.

nor is Theo or Ricketts losing any sleep when they have a plan in mind and have so far stuck to it with the exception of wasting money on Jackson.

Of course they aren't losing any sleep.

They are too busy laughing all the way to the bank.

What success? Where are the WS trophies? Wait, you mean baseless division titles? Really? Right there your ignorance is showing by being content with trivial finishes when the goal is to win a World Series.

Did I ever say I was content with the division titles? Nope, sure didn't.

But does that make division titles meaningless? Not even close. To claim as such is completely moronic.

LOL at division titles......

LOL at you and everything you mumble.

Yes, elite. Baez is regarded as one of the top ten talents in all of baseball,

No he isn't. Oh my god are you a fool.

Soler would have been a top five pick in last years draft,

No he wouldn't have been.

Almora was a top ten pick last year,

And shouldn't have been.

Division titles mean nothing. And Soriano was nothing but a complimentary player, and an over priced one at that, on those teams that went that far on account of their pitching. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.

You are clearly nothing but a troll.

A complimentary player??

You clearly know nothing about baseball.

 

[CSF77]

Did a mock up of this year if Jed didn't make some of his trades. And did sign Fielder. Payroll would be at 115 mil. 25 man: Sorianio, Dejesus, Hairston/Schierholtz, ARam, Castro, Barney, Fielder, Castillo, bench filler, Garza, Shark, Jackson, Villenueva, Cashner, Marmol, Marshall, Russell, 4 MR. Came up at 115 mil. I'd hazard a guess that that team would play over .500 ball.

 

[CSF77]

Well here is to 2015. Cheers. That is when Sori is off the books. Schierholtz and Hairston are off the Books. Dejesus gone. Just hope that Soler progresses to make the team much less is able to adapt much less impact the game. Baez same issue. Too much gambling for my tastes. Sad for a top 5 rev market.

 

[KBIB]

Once again the always mature, go root for another team instead of point out how poorly the team is being run.

Is it nap time for someone already?

This team, for once, isn't being run poorly. You have just been programmed into thinking, thru years of hard luck and tears, that what you know, is what should be right. And this is on top of a team that hasn't been properly run in over a century.On that I cant really blame you. Its simple minded people who look up and see a blue sky who buy tickets and trinkets at Wrigley Field who make the brand work. Good for you (pats head). But, in the bigger picture you have a team that dedicated itself to failure for generations that wants to cleanse itself from its horrid past. Sorry, little fella, but the brain trust now finally has a brain. And unlike you, many are willing to sacrifice the now for a more beneficial future.

I mean, if your opinion mattered, wouldn't there be some sort of changes? How does that make you feel? (chuckles)

Yours can be summed up in one word also, ignorant.

By agreeing with the plan Theo is dedicating his tenure to? By establishing a strong farm system first and foremost then building around that instead of pulling a Hendry and wasting monies on players like Milton Bradley who brought nothing to this team? Or spending lavishly on pitchers like Zambrano who were washed up the second they signed that contract? Or appeasing fans with rough shots in the dark like Soriano who choked both years he supposedly led the Cubs into the post season and give him a NT clause that killed a deal where he would have netted the Cubs a top notch prospect? Or handed Dempster a NT clause that killed a potential deal with the Braves that would have returned Randall Deldado? See, Hendry, in all his wisdom, still crippled this team last year and he wasn't even on the payroll.

Whats Theo done? Drafted great. Developed the players he deemed talented by not rushing them, signed cast off to cheap contracts that he can flip at the deadline for even more prospects all the while trying to get all those albatross contracts Hendy accumulated out the door. And the best thing of all, trimmed payroll so when the time comes, he has the room to take on a big contract or two. I mean, its not like Theo hasn't had experience in working in a big market or has shied away from signing elite FA's or anything. His track record speaks for itself.

What does Hendrys say, again?

Of course they aren't losing any sleep.

They are too busy laughing all the way to the bank.

Its their team.

You are just a fan.

See how that works?

Did I ever say I was content with the division titles? Nope, sure didn't.

But does that make division titles meaningless? Not even close. To claim as such is completely moronic.

Anything less then the WS is for the weak. It reminds me of the time, I think it was 91 and the Hawks were the best team in hockey by a huge margin, then they went into the playoffs and were quickly disposed of by the North Stars. The next year at the first home game, they raised the Presidents Trophy banner during the pre-game and it meant....nothing. You don't play for the consolation prize, that's the losers reward. If you think that means something, what does that say about you?

LOL at you and everything you mumble.

Clearly stating the obvious isn't mumbling. Trying to reach the dunderheaded who have hurt feelings because their favorite team wants to break a losing tradition tho.....

No he isn't. Oh my god are you a fool.

As of right now, he is. His value skyrocketed after ST. If you used google, I would guess you could find some early rankings that put him in the top 20.

No he wouldn't have been.

"According to Callis, Soler likely would have been a top-five pick in the 2010 draft "

That was a much better draft

Keith Law of ESPN.com indicated that Soler had the talent of a top-five draft choice in the 2012 Major League Baseball Draft, had he been eligible to be drafted.

Stoop?

Now, I have labored thru your posts, I will take the opinions of Callis and Law over yours, sorry bout that.

And shouldn't have been.

Yes, the most polished HS player in the draft who is the closest HS player to the bigs.(shakes head)

You are clearly nothing but a troll.

Save the troll comments for WoW. I disagree with your useless drivel and thank the lord you are here spouting off your delusions and not in the Cubs front office ruining a brave new beginning. If people like you didn't exist this place wouldn't be interesting from a sincerely stupid point of view that you seem to have cornered the forum with in your flaccid attempts at trying to reinvent the Cubs while using Ricketts money. This isn't a video game, and no offense, try all these ideas you have next time with the GM functions turned on instead of allowing every trade you make to go thru. You might learn a few things considering the AI is getting better with each passing game.

A complimentary player??

You clearly know nothing about baseball.

Well, to your defense, he sure wasn't paid like one.

But he played like one.


Creme

 

[KBisBack!]

Its simple minded people who look up and see a blue sky who buy tickets and trinkets at Wrigley Field who make the brand work. Good for you (pats head).

And yet it is exactly these people who blindly defend Theo and Co at all costs.

So basically you are describing yourself.

But, in the bigger picture you have a team that dedicated itself to failure for generations that wants to cleanse itself from its horrid past. Sorry, little fella, but the brain trust now finally has a brain. And unlike you, many are willing to sacrifice the now for a more beneficial future.

So the better plan is that after centuries of supposed "dedicating itself to failure for generations" is to intentionally throw away multiple seasons at the major league level to get a marginally better draft pick and a few extra pennies to spend on draft picks??

Um, ok.

The fact that you believe a better farm system is more valuable and important than division titles at the major league level pretty much sums up what anyone needs to know about your baseball knowledge, or lack thereof.

By agreeing with the plan Theo is dedicating his tenure to? By establishing a strong farm system first and foremost then building around that instead of pulling a Hendry and wasting monies on players like Milton Bradley who brought nothing to this team?

Milton Bradley cost the Cubs roughly $8 million dollars and actually performed at a level close to what David DeJesus is currently providing.

The $18 million spent on Chris Volstad last year was an improvement??

The $6 million spent on Scott Feldman this year is an improvement??

The $4 million spent on Ian Stewart has been an improvement??

Hell at this point, Milton Bradley looks like one of the better deals in Cubs history compared to Edwin Jackson.

The rest of your post is pure drivel. Not one factually accurate statement that leaves everyone dumber for having read it. To quote it and have people read it twice would be cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Cubs2008]

Hello all! I just sugned up. It's disappointing CBS shut down. But hey, it was getting worse every year anyway. Hopefully this site will be a lot more fun and active. I bet the articles and commentary are better also. Without even having read any yet. CBS really did suck.

 

[patg006]

Keith Law of ESPN.com indicated that Soler had the talent of a top-five draft choice in the 2012 Major League Baseball Draft, had he been eligible to be drafted.

Now, I have labored thru your posts, I will take the opinions of Callis and Law over yours, sorry bout that.

The same Keith Law that said Chris Sale was a bust, side arm throwing lefty with no breaking pitches?

The same Keith Law that said when the Mariners acquired Eric Bedard in 07-08 that they "acquired one of the most dominant pitchers in the MLB for throwaway, only defensive prospect Adam Jones?"

The same Keith Law whom while discussing the Orioles prospects a year and a half ago called Tony Butler (6'7 LHP) the minors SP with the most upside over Dylan Bundy?

The same Keith Law who thought Miguel Cabrera shouldnt even have been in the top 5 discussion for MVP last September? (He had Trout, Cano, Verlander, Austin Jackson, and King Felix as his top 5.)

My mistake, mein fuhrer

Well, to your defense, he sure wasn't paid like one.

But he played like one.

Creme

30 Home runs and 100+ RBIs make you a complimentary player?

:enough:

puff puff pass, bro

 

[patg006]

Hello all! I just sugned up. It's disappointing CBS shut down. But hey, it was getting worse every year anyway. Hopefully this site will be a lot more fun and active. I bet the articles and commentary are better also. Without even having read any yet. CBS really did suck.

Welcome, 2008! All were missing now is Jeff and Willrust.......they'd love this board.

 

[KBIB]

And yet it is exactly these people who blindly defend Theo and Co at all costs.

So basically you are describing yourself.

Ew, a NO YUO. Witty comeback that's out dated like spending money for the sake of spending. Too bad my opinion is winning this one sided debate while you have been going down hill on a unicycle without a seat. Oh yeah, last time I checked, Theo could care less how you feel and is still keeping his agenda at building this team thru the minors up. Not that it matters, but its pretty much reality. Maybe you can visit such a wonderful plane when you get over your fanboi sense of entitlement that has as much
bearings on what the Cubs are trying to do as a load of crap that got flushed in a working toilet. I understand your feelings are hurt and admit I am not the type to console or hug one out, but nobody really cares what you think.

Maybe you should take up juggling? Right there, complete control.

So the better plan is that after centuries of supposed "dedicating itself to failure for generations" is to intentionally throw away multiple seasons at the major league level to get a marginally better draft pick and a few extra pennies to spend on draft picks??

Um, ok.

When the org is in complete dire straights in every faucet? Of course it is. You don't pile garbage on top of garbage, you clean up the mess. That's what Theo is working on.

The fact that you believe a better farm system is more valuable and important than division titles at the major league level pretty much sums up what anyone needs to know about your baseball knowledge, or lack thereof.

Building a team from the ground up is the most important thing at this time in Theos juncture. There isn't a shot at a title, nor would there be with any of the MLB2K ideas you have festered, so give it a rest. You don't see the big picture and want cheap fixes that have already been done without even a modicum of reward. The main focus, stated countless times by all the Cubs brass, is building a farm system instead of allowing it to bottom out again as in under Hendrys reign as fail manager.You stop the endless cycle now instead of being doomed to repeat it. Make this team a winner and actual talent in FA will flock here in droves to actually play here instead of coming here for a payoff where the Cubs were bidding against themselves (Hello, Alfonso?).

Oh yeah, Prince Fielder called, he said he was never coming here in the first place, then he hung up.

Milton Bradley cost the Cubs roughly $8 million dollars and actually performed at a level close to what David DeJesus is currently providing.

And was a complete cancer.DeJesus is also getting paid 5 million dollars, Bradley fleeced Hendry into giving him ten a year for three years, of which the Cubs paid some and took back another slug in Silva where as I haven't heard a peep out of Dejesus having as much of a hard time as Bradley with being socially awkward.

I finally found somebody who actually defends Milton Bradley. Just wow....

The $18 million spent on Chris Volstad last year was an improvement??

Yeah, not on the team this year.

The $6 million spent on Scott Feldman this year is an improvement??

Will most likely be traded at the dead line.

The $4 million spent on Ian Stewart has been an improvement??

Stewart is a waste, congrats, you got one right.

Hell at this point, Milton Bradley looks like one of the better deals in Cubs history compared to Edwin Jackson.

LOL, remember what I said about Delusional?

The rest of your post is pure drivel. Not one factually accurate statement that leaves everyone dumber for having read it. To quote it and have people read it twice would be cruel and unusual punishment.

Gave up so soon looking at facts instead of opinion?

I don't blame you. This debate between two people was rigged from the start considering there was only one brain in the mix and that was mine. Now next time, actually try to post up factual information instead of pre-pubescent whining that would be better off nursing itself on a teener message board about getting your first period instead of here where talking about the Cubs like men is now the rule de jure. Theres a new sheriff in town.


Creme

 

[KBIB]

The same Keith Law that said Chris Sale was a bust, side arm throwing lefty with no breaking pitches?

The same Keith Law that said when the Mariners acquired Eric Bedard in 07-08 that they "acquired one of the most dominant pitchers in the MLB for throwaway, only defensive prospect Adam Jones?"

The same Keith Law whom while discussing the Orioles prospects a year and a half ago called Tony Butler (6'7 LHP) the minors SP with the most upside over Dylan Bundy?

The same Keith Law who thought Miguel Cabrera shouldnt even have been in the top 5 discussion for MVP last September? (He had Trout, Cano, Verlander, Austin Jackson, and King Felix as his top 5.)

My mistake, mein fuhrer

Keith Law falls in love with players, big deal. He has a history of taking things personally but is pretty bang on when it comes to his prospect evaluations. Has he missed? Sure he has, so has Callis, but there isn't a single person outside of Kenny who didn't watch Sale throw and was concerned. Hell, Sale was already shut down once.

Keith Law said;
Bedard posted one of the greatest strikeout seasons ever in 2007, fanning over 30 percent of the batters he faced, the seventh-best mark in American League history.
Which was fact.
This is what he said about Adam Jones;
"To acquire Bedard, the M's give up a budding superstar in Adam Jones, who still has a ways to go to reach his ceiling, but is going to have significant value in 2008."
So right there, you just made things up.

Chances are if I actually wanted to look into the whole Bundy/Walters drivel your trying to pass off as truth it would also be false, too.

Way to blow your credibility.(chuckles)

EDIT- He also said this about Sale-
If you like Chris Sale, you see a 6'6" left-hander with an arm slot close to Randy Johnson's, a plus fastball and change, and a potential front-line starter.

Hmm......

30 Home runs and 100+ RBIs make you a complimentary player?

:enough:

puff puff pass, bro

On a 100 loss team? It makes you a self serving stat mong whose playing for his next contract. Funny how he never played up to those numbers when he was supposedly leading the Cubs to division titles, eh?


Creme

 

[patg006]

Keith Law falls in love with players, big deal. He has a history of taking things personally but is pretty bang on when it comes to his prospect evaluations. Has he missed? Sure he has, so has Callis, but there isn't a single person outside of Kenny who didn't watch Sale throw and was concerned. Hell, Sale was already shut down once.

Keith Law said;
Bedard posted one of the greatest strikeout seasons ever in 2007, fanning over 30 percent of the batters he faced, the seventh-best mark in American League history.
Which was fact.
This is what he said about Adam Jones;
"To acquire Bedard, the M's give up a budding superstar in Adam Jones, who still has a ways to go to reach his ceiling, but is going to have significant value in 2008."
So right there, you just made things up.

Chances are if I actually wanted to look into the whole Bundy/Walters drivel your trying to pass off as truth it would also be false, too.

Way to blow your credibility.(chuckles)

EDIT- He also said this about Sale-
If you like Chris Sale, you see a 6'6" left-hander with an arm slot close to Randy Johnson's, a plus fastball and change, and a potential front-line starter.

Hmm......

On Bedard and Jones:

"To acquire Bedard, the M's give up a budding superstar in Adam Jones, who still has a ways to go to reach his ceiling, but is going to have significant value in 2008."

"Jones is a very good defensive center fielder with great range and a 70 arm, not surprising since he threw in the low 90s as a pitcher in high school."

"His downfall at the plate is plate discipline, and he struggles to lay off better breaking balls, but he's also been playing at levels above his age for much of his pro career, reaching AA at 19 and AAA at 20."

"He's (Jones) also an above-average runner, although he's never been a base stealer in the minors. He can step in and be the third- or fourth-best hitter in Baltimore's lineup,"

straight from the horse's (Special person's) mouth. Darn, I embellished 1 word about Jones. You got me. Whereas you think an Agent would NEVER lie or be a weasel to get the best possible contract with most money for his client.

OH! And funny little thing about Chris Sale, Keith changed his tune after the 2011 season about him after he had 2 stellar seasons as a releiver; and even then he still detested Sale's move to the rotation.

Do you like Chris Sale's move to the rotation and where do you see him as a future starter?
Klaw (1:35 PM) No, I don't.

:fap:

On a 100 loss team? It makes you a self serving stat mong whose playing for his next contract. Funny how he never played up to those numbers when he was supposedly leading the Cubs to division titles, eh?

Creme

A guy who just mate 136 million over 8 years doesnt need to be playing for his next contract......maybe (and this may shock you, sit down for this next one) he was playing to get traded.

 

[FirstTimer]

There is a simple comparison that the brain trust should be able to relate to....

Teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, and Cardinals would never just throw away a few seasons to re-build. Their personnel people realize that their fans want winners and they realize they were given the jobs they have because they want to win.

They certainly don't tank seasons or purposely throw away seasons under the guise of "re-building".

After the crap year Boston had two years ago....don't think they weren't getting ready to fire Theo. There was huge talk about it and that is probably why he jumped at this job. I know many have short memories but there weren't too many RSox fans yelling and screaming because he left. If memory serves, they were happy to get rid of him.

Fast forward to now and we have a entire management team of losers, managing a losing team, and feeding loser fans a bunch of loser talk in the promise of not being losers in the future.

Got a feeling they will continue to be losers.....

Funny, when management don't mind losing; it's funny what the results are. Especially when you compare that to GM's and management of other teams that don't except losers and demand winning. Funny how they seem to win a great deal and the losers seem to lose a great deal.

Of course, that is far too much "philosophy" for the brain trust here. Too bad it's reality though.

Except the red Sox did. So did the cardinals in the early 90s. But like I already pointed out in another thread they had different organizational bases to build from so the drop off want as dramatic as we have seen here.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yawn.

If you actually knew what you were talking about for a change, which you don't, you would know that many Cub fans have said they should be modeled after the Rays because of the Rays success with the farm system.

So it was actually a very good comparison. The only thing stupid was for someone who doesn't know what they are talking about to run their mouth.



Really??? You don't say.

No shit Captain Obvious, Sherlock Holmes.

The point of providing all those facts, which was obviously lost on you, was how few teams were able to have even the level of success of the Braves, Cards, Giants or Red Sox and even then it was far less then the long term contender status idiots like yourself believe are coming for the Cubs because they are throwing away a couple seasons with Theo at the helm.

I don't care what some cubs fans say. I care what the front office says and the reality of the resources the cubs have. Those fans you are citing are as dumb as you.

Then again those teams are rare in the case of the money and resources they have. The cubs have those same money and resources. Those teams are more relevant to the comparison than the royals or rays.

As usual your postings stuck

 

[FirstTimer]

Exactly.

They could have a true franchise 1B in Fielder and a second power arm in the rotation with Shark.

Just think what a rotation of Shark, Garza, Cashner and Appel could be in a few years??

Add that to a lineup that has Fielder, Castro, Soler and Baez??

Now THAT would be something to get excited about.

Now? Not so much.

Thy cubs don't get appel if they don't have a high enough draft pick in order to take him.... which would require us not being good. Same with baez....Derp

 

[SilenceS]

A couple of things. If you dont think the Cubs are making huge profits, you are not very smart because Ricketts family is about money. Period. They may spend, but they are going to get theres. Trust me.

Another thing, people who blame Hendry for how bad the Cubs are right now and probably will be next year loses all respect from me. They are probably the same people who blame Bush to this day for this country. Its a scapegoat and holds no merit. Theo washed out almost all of Hendry players except, you know, the core players everyone keeps talking about. Rizzo is Theo's guy, but it took a Hendry guy to get a Theo guy. So, you know what that makes him. A Cub. O and the whole winning a division title means nothing may be the dumbest thing I ever read. I swear Hendry must have had his way with some of these dudes significant others the way they talk about him.

 

[Flacco4Prez]

They never should have let Ramirez walk. That is the one thing that still bothers me and they have not made an effort to replace his production. Vitters is trash, and it was nothing but an attempt to save money

 

[KBisBack!]

When the org is in complete dire straights in every faucet? Of course it is. You don't pile garbage on top of garbage, you clean up the mess. That's what Theo is working on.

Except he has done exactly what you said shouldn't be done.

He has piled garbage on.

Stewart, Volstad, Valbuena, Feldman and DeJesus are all garbage.

Nice try though.

The main focus, stated countless times by all the Cubs brass, is building a farm system instead of allowing it to bottom out again as in under Hendrys reign as fail manager.You stop the endless cycle now instead of being doomed to repeat it. Make this team a winner and actual talent in FA will flock here in droves to actually play here instead of coming here for a payoff where the Cubs were bidding against themselves (Hello, Alfonso?).

And the reality is that the farm system can be built up at the same time as fielding a quality major league team.

Having a good major league team does not stop you from building the farm system. The Cardinals farm system went from 24th to 1st in two years at the same time the major league team won the World Series and played in the NLCS.

Whoops.

Oh yeah, Prince Fielder called, he said he was never coming here in the first place, then he hung up.

Second grade called and asked for it's joke back.

I finally found somebody who actually defends Milton Bradley. Just wow....

I finally found somebody who is actually dumb enough to defend Volstad. Just wow....

Yeah, not on the team this year.

Yeah, doesn't matter strawman.

Will most likely be traded at the dead line.

For a dozen batting practice balls.

 

[KBisBack!]

Except the red Sox did.

Nope. Sure didn't.

So did the cardinals in the early 90s. But like I already pointed out in another thread they had different organizational bases to build from so the drop off want as dramatic as we have seen here.

Again no.

 

[KBisBack!]

As usual your postings stuck

As usual you have added nothing.

Shouldn't you be out with a bag of candy and a van trying to pick up kids?

 

[KBisBack!]

Thy cubs don't get appel if they don't have a high enough draft pick in order to take him.... which would require us not being good. Same with baez....Derp

They have had Baez for several years now and he was drafted well before any of these moves would have been made.

Whoops.

They still could have signed Fielder, not traded for Rizzo and drafted Appel with the 6th pick last year.

Whoops again.

Was hoping this site would be troll free, but clearly not.