The Myth of being contenders year after year for an extended period of time.

[nwfisch]

I don't care what some cubs fans say. I care what the front office says and the reality of the resources the cubs have. Those fans you are citing are as dumb as you.

Then again those teams are rare in the case of the money and resources they have. The cubs have those same money and resources. Those teams are more relevant to the comparison than the royals or rays.

As usual your postings stuck

Go to your Cardinal board.

 

[KBIB]

straight from the horse's (Special person's) mouth. Darn, I embellished 1 word about Jones. You got me.

No, you got yourself by trying to conjure up words and place them directly on Keith Law, who didn't say such things. That's the problem and very good that you actually fessed up having a slight case of foot in mouth syndrome when you got called out on it. Doesn't change the fact your tried real hard to pigeon chest irrelevant bullocks into this thread, tho. See, son, the internet is a wonderful resource, so much so, things are just a mere click away when proving actual fact from fairy tale.

Whereas you think an Agent would NEVER lie or be a weasel to get the best possible contract with most money for his client.

But an owner is the most trusted source of information when he never even communicated with the player drafted? You are dealing with a gray area where both sides are known spin doctors, its part of the game. Nice try tho.

OH! And funny little thing about Chris Sale, Keith changed his tune after the 2011 season about him after he had 2 stellar seasons as a releiver; and even then he still detested Sale's move to the rotation.

Do you like Chris Sale's move to the rotation and where do you see him as a future starter?
Klaw (1:35 PM) No, I don't.

:fap:

Um, ok? That's his opinion. You tried to pass off false claims as truth and failed miserably at it. Did Law know Sale would become the pitcher he did? If it was so proven, he wouldn't have lasted until the 13th pick in the draft considering, you know, top of the rotation guys just don't grow on trees and outside of Harper is the best player in that draft.

As for the Bundy/ Butler drama, completely false. Law has been riding Bundys nuts since he was drafted and championing him to stronger competition, even going as far as writing an article stating he should have been pitching AA instead of rookie ball last year.Even going as far as raking him the number one prospect in baseball in 2012.

LeWhoops?

A guy who just mate 136 million over 8 years doesnt need to be playing for his next contract......maybe (and this may shock you, sit down for this next one) he was playing to get traded.

Really? That whole turning down a chance to play for a playoff bound Giants last year sure throws a wrench in that idea, eh?

Thanks for trying tho, good job.


Creme

 

[Cubs2008]

I'd like to know what happened to the whole "Cubs way". I was under the impression that even though we're going with young (aka crappy) players, that they'd be playing the game the right way. That's also why we let guys like Ramirez go, because we don't want guys that trot around the bases, we want guys that put their heads down and run out their double play ground outs hard.

Anyway, I've seen poor defense, poor base running, and a k/bb ratio on pace to be the worst of all time by far. Jedstein supposedly had a certain '"type" of player in mind to bring in. I'm all for sabermetrics. But how does Scott Hairston fit into that?

 

[KBIB]

A couple of things. If you dont think the Cubs are making huge profits, you are not very smart because Ricketts family is about money. Period. They may spend, but they are going to get theres. Trust me.

Good golly, really?

I mean, making a profit on a business isn't considered taboo any more?

(closes eyes, shakes head, refocuses)

Another thing, people who blame Hendry for how bad the Cubs are right now and probably will be next year loses all respect from me. They are probably the same people who blame Bush to this day for this country. Its a scapegoat and holds no merit.

Really? Look at the garbage this team was when Theo got here.It takes time to get rid of all the trash and Theo is doing an admirable job considering he had a lot of heavy lifting.

Theo washed out almost all of Hendry players except, you know, the core players everyone keeps talking about. Rizzo is Theo's guy, but it took a Hendry guy to get a Theo guy.

Cashner was a Wikens guy. You know this, correct?

So, you know what that makes him. A Cub. O and the whole winning a division title means nothing may be the dumbest thing I ever read. I swear Hendry must have had his way with some of these dudes significant others the way they talk about him.

Sorry, but winning a division sure as hell isn't a successful year. Maybe on a loser scale its a bit better then a 100 loss season, but sure enough, a 100 loss team and a division winner are sitting at home while the World Series is being played.


Creme

 

[KBIB]

Except he has done exactly what you said shouldn't be done.

He has piled garbage on.

Stewart, Volstad, Valbuena, Feldman and DeJesus are all garbage.

Nice try though.

That's most likely gonna be traded away for prospects at the dead line. See, you are flat lining even before you make an attempt, now.

And the reality is that the farm system can be built up at the same time as fielding a quality major league team.

Says who? You? Again, its not your team.You are just a fan. I will give an actual GM who has won a couple WS to set his plan up and stick with it instead of a Chatty Cathy bleating about nonsense on a message board, which is your lot in this vapid debate. If what you are desperately trying to pontificate here was an actual option, every team would be doing it. I would much rather bide my time and watch this team grow the right way. Iam young, I have time.

Having a good major league team does not stop you from building the farm system. The Cardinals farm system went from 24th to 1st in two years at the same time the major league team won the World Series and played in the NLCS.

Whoops.

Yet had a ton of talent under contract for that WS team that was shrewdly acquired thru every avenue possible because hey, they had a capable GM while the Cubs had....Hendry. Not to mention how the Cardinals adapted quickly to the draft and used every single pick perfectly while Wilkens and Hendry, Abbot and Costello, were wasting top picks on Hayden Simpson and Tyler Colvin, whose claim to fame was getting stabbed in the chest by a flying bat. To shame that the Cards are doing it the right way by developing players at their own pace instead of rushing them and using those prospects to get proven talent for the stretch run to the playoffs. I swear I heard some GM on the North side was trying a similar practice.....

Second grade called and asked for it's joke back.

Good lord, a IKYABWAI. Yet another transient lame-jack from an AOL chat room. Are you really this stuck in the mid 90's or does the Macho Madness Styrofoam hat come off when you bend over and scrape the bottom of the barrel some more and ruin your equilibrium that much?

I finally found somebody who is actually dumb enough to defend Volstad. Just wow....

Hes gone is now defending? Nice try at a PKB there, but to shame, its just another futile attempt at trying to get out of the textual hammerfist that's been laid down so stream lined, I should change my nic to Deitz and Watson just on the principal. Tell me some more how Milton Bradley was a better signing then Dejesus.

(Opens beer, kicks up feet)

Yeah, doesn't matter strawman.

That he is gone? Of course it matters, he isn't here. It doesn't matter to you per se, because it doesn't give you another thing to bleat on endlessly about.

Strawman, indeed.

For a dozen batting practice balls.

Which would be more valuble then any one of your 192 posts here, just sayin.


Care for a mint?


Creme

 

[KBisBack!]

But an owner is the most trusted source of information when he never even communicated with the player drafted? You are dealing with a gray area where both sides are known spin doctors, its part of the game. Nice try tho.

I see you continue to ignore the FACTS that the player himself has been quoted as saying he turned down the Pirates.

Whoops.

 

[KBisBack!]

That's most likely gonna be traded away for prospects at the dead line. See, you are flat lining even before you make an attempt, now.

What kind of prospects will they get for a player like Feldman or Stewart??

None.

Whoops.

If what you are desperately trying to pontificate here was an actual option, every team would be doing it. I would much rather bide my time and watch this team grow the right way. Iam young, I have time.

Actually almost every team in baseball is trying their best to BOTH field the best possible major league team while building up the farm system.

Thanks.

Yet had a ton of talent under contract for that WS team that was shrewdly acquired thru every avenue possible because hey, they had a capable GM while the Cubs had....Hendry. Not to mention how the Cardinals adapted quickly to the draft and used every single pick perfectly while Wilkens and Hendry, Abbot and Costello, were wasting top picks on Hayden Simpson and Tyler Colvin, whose claim to fame was getting stabbed in the chest by a flying bat. To shame that the Cards are doing it the right way by developing players at their own pace instead of rushing them and using those prospects to get proven talent for the stretch run to the playoffs. I swear I heard some GM on the North side was trying a similar practice.....

A whole lot of words but you have actual said nothing to counter the point of how the Cardinals were able to build up the farm system without having to throw away seasons to get a better draft pick.

Tell me some more how Milton Bradley was a better signing then Dejesus.

A. He put up better numbers than DeJesus has. Bradley had a .775 OPS compared to DeJesus .753
B. He cost less money in the end than DeJesus will.
C. When Bradley got traded, they got a serviceable half a season out of Silva. I will be surprised if they trade DeJesus what they get back will ever play an inning of major league baseball.

So basically better on field performance for less money is how he was a better signing than DeJesus. Other than that, not much.

 

[nwfisch]

Lol at people missing the point. All people are asking for is a competitive effort from Boy blunder to field a MLB team along with the Kane County Cougars.

 

[patg006]

No, you got yourself by trying to conjure up words and place them directly on Keith Law, who didn't say such things. That's the problem and very good that you actually fessed up having a slight case of foot in mouth syndrome when you got called out on it. Doesn't change the fact your tried real hard to pigeon chest irrelevant bullocks into this thread, tho. See, son, the internet is a wonderful resource, so much so, things are just a mere click away when proving actual fact from fairy tale.

Ah yes, I fessed up when I got called on it, sure. Itd be foolish to think Keith Law knows absolutely nothing, hes the Mike Mayock of the MLB. He gets one right, but still throws in a dandy like "Jermaine Gresham is the best tight end in the game."

When will you fess up to the dozens of times Boyd has caught you with your pants down?

NoUm, ok? That's his opinion. You tried to pass off false claims as truth and failed miserably at it. Did Law know Sale would become the pitcher he did? If it was so proven, he wouldn't have lasted until the 13th pick in the draft considering, you know, top of the rotation guys just don't grow on trees and outside of Harper is the best player in that draft.

As for the Bundy/ Butler drama, completely false. Law has been riding Bundys nuts since he was drafted and championing him to stronger competition, even going as far as writing an article stating he should have been pitching AA instead of rookie ball last year.Even going as far as raking him the number one prospect in baseball in 2012.

Exact words he wrote I copied and pasted. It was right after Bundy was drafted, but the screw up in the minors Butler showed life and Law blessed us with his ignorance.

Really? That whole turning down a chance to play for a playoff bound Giants last year sure throws a wrench in that idea, eh?

Thanks for trying tho, good job.

Creme

Soriano has said he'd accept a trade to certain teams including the Dodgers, Yankees, and Rangers being the primary three. His loss for turning down Frisco, but he didnt want to go there, full no trade plus that 10-5 thing.........

I see you're very quick to forget things too.......

 

[patg006]

Lol at people missing the point. All people are asking for is a competitive effort from Boy blunder to field a MLB team along with the Kane County Cougars.

Here here. Cheap beer, better quality too couldnt hurt.......

 

[KBisBack!]

Lol at people missing the point. All people are asking for is a competitive effort from Boy blunder to field a MLB team along with the Kane County Cougars.

Exactly.

It is not a difficult concept to grasp.

Sadly it is completely lost on many, many people though.

 

[Flacco4Prez]

It's a shame we can't play the Marlins 162 times

 

[KBisBack!]

full no trade plus that 10-5 thing.........

Great point.

The no trade clause in his contract is now meaningless because he would have it anyway for his service time.

But idiots don't realize that. They are unable to grasp anything more complicated than Hendry Bad, Theo Good.

 

[patg006]

They are unable to grasp anything more complicated than Hendry Bad, Theo Good.

Fire hot.

 

[Flacco4Prez]

The thing that annoys me the most is how bad the 'pen is. Don't tell me there wasn't guys available in the offseason that were better than the guys we have. But the whole "Why spend money when were gonna lose anyways" logic is ridiculous. If they spent more money on the pen and we only blew half of the saves we have, we would be over .500 now.

I will give Theo credit for revamping the rotation but more could have been done to improve the lineup and definitely the bullpen. The names in the rotation won't blow anyone away but Wood, Villanueva, and Shark have been pitching very well this season. It is only April though so I'm interested to see how that plays out over the season.

 

[CSF77]

The thing that annoys me the most is how bad the 'pen is. Don't tell me there wasn't guys available in the offseason that were better than the guys we have. But the whole "Why spend money when were gonna lose anyways" logic is ridiculous. If they spent more money on the pen and we only blew half of the saves we have, we would be over .500 now.

I will give Theo credit for revamping the rotation but more could have been done to improve the lineup and definitely the bullpen. The names in the rotation won't blow anyone away but Wood, Villanueva, and Shark have been pitching very well this season. It is only April though so I'm interested to see how that plays out over the season.

Pen got better after they took on Gregg...(WTF) and Loe. Both are stabilizing the crap fest. Kyuji gets back it might actually be the strongest area on the team if he is effective.

Still weakest area is hitting with runners in scoring position. Team is 3rd in HR with 28 in the NL. 11th in runs scored with 73. BA 11th. ERA 3rd. They are not hitting consistent enough in general. .229 team BA is just bad.

We will see. Wood has looked pretty good so far. Carlos we will see.

Shoot after Garza and Kyuji get back they may be pretty good if the hitting improves and Sori gets on a tear.

Still they should have invested into a bat. I agree with you that they should have given A-Ram what he wanted to stay. 3B has been a joke 2 years running.

 

[KBisBack!]

The thing that annoys me the most is how bad the 'pen is.

What is going to really annoy me is if the team does get healthy and start playing better and say only losses 90 games this year, the same slurpers who say it would be stupid to spend money on players cause improving from 100 to 90 losses is meaningless will be the first ones jumping up and down and pointing to how 'improved' the team is.

 

[dabynsky]

What is going to really annoy me is if the team does get healthy and start playing better and say only losses 90 games this year, the same slurpers who say it would be stupid to spend money on players cause improving from 100 to 90 losses is meaningless will be the first ones jumping up and down and pointing to how 'improved' the team is.

But would that not be improvement?

 

[KBisBack!]

But would that not be improvement?

It would.

But you can't call improvement meaningless and then turn around and praise the same thing.

It is the ultimate of hypocrisy.

 

[nwfisch]

But would that not be improvement?

If the Cubs brass want to hang their hat on that as improvement, they aren't the right guys for the job.