The Myth of being contenders year after year for an extended period of time.

[nwfisch]

Shut the **** up already.

Make me

 

[FirstTimer]

KB is an angry season ticket holder lol

 

[nwfisch]

FirstTimer is a stupid Cardinal fan lol

 

[KBisBack!]

But they didn't have appeal before they had a chance to sign fielder....so your scenario from earlier isn't possible...fact.

You lose again

Is it even possible for someone to be this dumb?

 

[nwfisch]

Is it even possible for someone to be this dumb?

Only if he's a Brewer and Viking fan to go along with his Cardinal/Packer fandom.

 

[Chris J]

Ok theres a reason the Cubs and five other teams didnt draft Appel last year. You think no one wanted the best pitching prospect available? Come on man use your brain. Learn how the draft works.

There was a high risk of drafting Appel high because there was a good chance he wouldnt sign. Sure enough, the Pirates drafted him at 9, I believe? and yea what happened, he went back to college. So theres a very good chance the cubs wouldnt have been able to sign him. And then they wouldve wasted their #6 pick and everyone would be flaming Theo.

So they took Almora who they knew they could sign. Im really confused why you tried to bring some of you try to bring in not drafting Appel without knowing the facts...

 

[KBisBack!]

Ok theres a reason the Cubs and five other teams didnt draft Appel last year. You think no one wanted the best pitching prospect available? Come on man use your brain. Learn how the draft works.

There was a high risk of drafting Appel high because there was a good chance he wouldnt sign. Sure enough, the Pirates drafted him at 9, I believe? and yea what happened, he went back to college. So theres a very good chance the cubs wouldnt have been able to sign him. And then they wouldve wasted their #6 pick and everyone would be flaming Theo.

So they took Almora who they knew they could sign. Im really confused why you tried to bring some of you try to bring in not drafting Appel without knowing the facts...

But somehow there is no risk in drafting a high school kid??

There was a lot of talk about Almora not signing and going to college, but the Slurpers conveniently seem to forget that little detail.

There is a very good chance that Almora will never even make it to the majors, but somehow that wouldn't be wasting a pick? Hell if they had picked Appel last year and he didn't sign they would get the pick back again this year. Think if Almora busts out, MLB will give them a pick back?

For somehow whining about others understand how the draft works, you don't seem to have a clue about it at all.

The entire MLB draft is a risk and high school position players at right at the top of the highest risk.

 

[Flacco4Prez]

But somehow there is no risk in drafting a high school kid??

There was a lot of talk about Almora not signing and going to college, but the Slurpers conveniently seem to forget that little detail.

There is a very good chance that Almora will never even make it to the majors, but somehow that wouldn't be wasting a pick? Hell if they had picked Appel last year and he didn't sign they would get the pick back again this year. Think if Almora busts out, MLB will give them a pick back?

For somehow whining about others understand how the draft works, you don't seem to have a clue about it at all.

The entire MLB draft is a risk and high school position players at right at the top of the highest risk.

That is usually the case in general when it comes to the MLB draft. Even when you do draft someone, it is often 2-5 years before that player even plays in the majors depending on his age. So why go after a guy that will take all your draft pool and still possibly not sign? Yes, you get a pick the following year but that's just another year you have to wait to get that player in the majors.

 

[SilenceS]

Um what? According to a lot of people Rcketts isn't spending money cause he is not making anything. I simply said he is. You may want to shake something other then your head because your going full blown Special person there. Also, cashner is a Wilkens guy? I thought it was hendry who failed the minor leagues? So, by your logic then theo gets no credit for anyone drafted in Boston because he was in the same position as hendry. So, that would make rizzo not a theo player? Am I correct or are you going to close your eyes and hold your breath until someone tells you are right? I am fine with people's opinion but your acting like your the tallest midget right now. Beat your chest scream it from the rooftops. Still isnt going to make your logic correct. I'm not a theo hater but I'm not a ******* who blames a guy that has been gone for 2 seasons. Hendry never put a team out there this bad. Ever! Hendry needed to go cause it was time but don't hate on him because you got a hard on for change. Change for the sake of change is insane. Just look at our country and that should be easy to figure out. Sorry if this is messed up typing on my iPhone but hope it comes across right. Theo has a **** ton to prove here. I don't give a **** what he did in Boston. He has to prove it here and you can't hate on people for seeing some of the worst baseball in cubs history. It's a natural reaction. Just like if they win people are going to celebrate because it is a natural reaction. Done with my rant.

 

[KBisBack!]

That is usually the case in general when it comes to the MLB draft. Even when you do draft someone, it is often 2-5 years before that player even plays in the majors depending on his age.

Well the most polished college pitcher would certainly arrive in the majors much quicker than a high school kid, wouldn't they?

And now seeing as Almora is injured, by the time the June draft comes around he will barely have gotten any development in since he only had 80 PA last year.

So why go after a guy that will take all your draft pool and still possibly not sign? Yes, you get a pick the following year but that's just another year you have to wait to get that player in the majors.

A, If he didn't sign, then he wouldn't have taken all your draft pool. Just what he was slotted for at that pick. Seeing as the Cubs went about $700k over slot for Almora, that would have actually left them with MORE money to sign the rest of the draft picks last year. Whoops.

B. We are already waiting an extra year on Almora seeing he is hurt. No one is whining about that. Whoops.

 

[KBisBack!]

Yes, you get a pick the following year but that's just another year you have to wait to get that player in the majors.

And really who cares about having to wait an extra year on a prospect that might never even make it to the majors in the first place.

All you slurpers are saying it won't be a quick fix anyway, but now suddenly the team is in a rush to develop minor league players?

Which is it?

I mean after-all they are completely throwing away multiple seasons at the major league level, what is an extra year for a prospect to spend in the minors?

Not much at all, but that doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[Chris J]

But somehow there is no risk in drafting a high school kid??

There was a lot of talk about Almora not signing and going to college, but the Slurpers conveniently seem to forget that little detail.

There is a very good chance that Almora will never even make it to the majors, but somehow that wouldn't be wasting a pick? Hell if they had picked Appel last year and he didn't sign they would get the pick back again this year. Think if Almora busts out, MLB will give them a pick back?

For somehow whining about others understand how the draft works, you don't seem to have a clue about it at all.

The entire MLB draft is a risk and high school position players at right at the top of the highest risk.

Ok this is just flat out idiotic. Dont know why im wasting my time responding but..
There was no way Almora wanted to go to Miami. Its called trying to get the upper hand in negotiations. His agent told him to say he might go to college to make the Cubs offer him a little more in the contract.

As far as risk, I was saying there was a high rish in drafting Appel because there was very little chance of signing him. The cubs knew they would sign Almora so that was the best option.

No saying theres a "very good chance" that he wont make it is unfair. You are basing this statement of absolutely no truth. If the kid was 3 years into the minors and wasnt hitting, then yea maybe you can say that. For example, Josh Vitters. But to say theres a very good chance he wont make it, its just stupid.

I have a very good idea of how the draft works and thats why the Cubs didnt draft Appel. Why are you failing to release this simple fact

 

[KBisBack!]

There was no way Almora wanted to go to Miami. Its called trying to get the upper hand in negotiations. His agent told him to say he might go to college to make the Cubs offer him a little more in the contract.

So there was zero chance of Almora going to Miami and zero chance of the Cubs signing Appel??

How very convenient for you seeing as that is entirely opinion.

As far as risk, I was saying there was a high rish in drafting Appel because there was very little chance of signing him. The cubs knew they would sign Almora so that was the best option.

So they signed a player who has very little chance of being a quality major league player instead.

No saying theres a "very good chance" that he wont make it is unfair. You are basing this statement of absolutely no truth. If the kid was 3 years into the minors and wasnt hitting, then yea maybe you can say that. For example, Josh Vitters. But to say theres a very good chance he wont make it, its just stupid.

I have a very good idea of how the draft works and thats why the Cubs didnt draft Appel. Why are you failing to release this simple fact

Wrong.

There is nothing unfair at all in saying that a high school kid drafted by the major leagues has a very good chance that he will never make it to the major leagues. It is simple math.

A study of Baseball America's Top 100 prospects over a 13 year period showed that 62.9% of position players in the Top 100 never achieved a WAR greater than 1.49 at the major league level.

I would say that 62.9% is a very good chance.

It would be stupid to say otherwise.

Of course he is where you will whine that a 1.0 WAR would be making it to the major leagues. Yes it would be making it to the major leagues but it would also be a waste of the #6 pick.

I actually don't care if he makes it to the major leagues and sucks.

If this team is throwing away multiple major league seasons, which they are, they better get All Star players in the first round of every draft. That is the only marginally acceptable result for years wasted at the major league level.

Not role players or bench players. Perennial All Star players out of each and every draft.

 

[Chris J]

So how are you saying Almora cant be an all star? Are you a scout? hmmm nope. The kid 19 years old, you cant judge him yet. And no 62.9 is not a "very good chance"

go home, youre drunk

 

[KBisBack!]

And no 62.9 is not a "very good chance"

OK. LOL!!!

Whatever you say.

 

[KBisBack!]

So how are you saying Almora cant be an all star? Are you a scout? hmmm nope. The kid 19 years old, you cant judge him yet.

Did I say he can't be an All Star??

No?? Didn't think so.

Did I say there is a small chance he becomes an All Star??

Yep.

Try actually understanding what you are whining about instead of just making things up.

 

[mountsalami]

Try actually understanding what you are whining about instead of just making things up.

OOHHHH, but KB it's really how you present your factually based opinions and why I can't stop from placing myself on suicide watch.

Here's good one and quite common among the idiots over the years......

Dont know why im wasting my time responding but..

This translates as....

I really have nothing factual to support the basis of my opinion but my pea-brain requires me to post with even more stupidity than my previous posts.
I know the poster is more intelligent than I am, but I just don't like him, for whatever reason.

 

[Jntg4]

1. We wouldn't get that pick back, we'd get the 7th pick this year, not quite the 6th.
2. All the talk was not of him choosing college, it was of him using college as a mere negotiating ploy.
3. No shit, all prospects have "very good chances" of not being a quality major league player, even Appel.
4. Not like Almora was an awful pick with no potential, and he wasn't considered your typical high school pick as he was said to be the most polished high school bat in the draft, which is something you didn't allude to when you mentioned Appel's polish.
5. The Cubs were supposed to be able to predict injury? Wow, too bad we couldn't predict disease too or we never would have drafted Hayden Simpson.
6. Almora isn't just "throwing a pick away".

 

[mountsalami]

Yes, because folding up the OP like it was an origami suddenly makes yours truly a multi talented person who could type with his prostate?

Like really? The evil lapse of one "taking it back to the chatroom" with a myriad of immature insults sure out weighs an honest opinion. I get that. I have read your post and quite honestly, found out that I surely wasn't in need of "trying too hard", and instead, offered a rebuttle to a post without even a shred of logical thought, and was trying to pin point how only a certain amount of teams, in a twenty year window, no less, seemed to always win while the beloved Cubs seem to just keep sucking the life out of their dedicated fanbase. Not even thinking, mind you, that the Cubs, right now, are in the process to actually fix what was wrong for what, over a century? And get past this hirrid history of being the proverbial laughing stock in all of baseball. Pointing out, in a gentlemanly, yet firm way, that whatever happened, even last year, has no bearing what so ever on the future.

Now, being a gentleman of leisure, and having the foresight to comprehend that the laws of entropy would even think of allowing your two distant remaining brain cells to crash together inside that low energy Nadron Collider you call an empty skull and produce a moment of creative insight, lets just try and keep the little childish remarks to the kids, mkay? They are dated, like the last time the Cubs actually played in the WS and almost as relevant as a championship run this year.

There is a bright side to what is going on. I suggest everybody get their Axl Rose on and get a little patience.


Creme

And now we have the droolings from what may very well be "the seraph" without his medication.

I read your long, drawn out, pile of crap, to broaden my horizons, on the effects of being gifted with an extra chromosome.

I'm nice like that.

My diagnosis is that it's far from flattering as usual.

Keep trying my little Einstein.

 

[CSF77]

said to be the most polished high school bat in the draft

Sounds familier...oh ya that is what they said about Vitters.....All words.