The Myth of being contenders year after year for an extended period of time.

[patg006]

I know the poster is more intelligent than I am, but I just don't like him, for whatever reason.

Dont you mean......'because a stranger called me an idiot?'

 

[mountsalami]

Hello all! I just sugned up. It's disappointing CBS shut down. But hey, it was getting worse every year anyway. Hopefully this site will be a lot more fun and active. I bet the articles and commentary are better also. Without even having read any yet. CBS really did suck.

Nice to have you aboard my friend.

 

[mountsalami]

Dont you mean......'because a stranger called me an idiot?'

You know the drill. Next it will be how , without the insults , he really knows what he's talking about, but I will respond anyway out of my own uncontrollable stupidity, and it's his fault as a result.

 

[KBisBack!]

1. We wouldn't get that pick back, we'd get the 7th pick this year, not quite the 6th.

Really? You are going to crap all overself because the difference in the pick was 7th instead of 6th???

You are pathetic

2. All the talk was not of him choosing college, it was of him using college as a mere negotiating ploy.

You forgot to add the factual part about this statement. "In my opinion" There were quite a few reports out last summer that indicated the option of him going to Miami was very real.

But that doesn't fit your agenda.

3. No shit, all prospects have "very good chances" of not being a quality major league player, even Appel.

Point being, which you obviously miss, is that slurpers like you wet themselves saying that it would have been dumb to draft Appel because there was too much risk to it. There is just as much risk of Almora never making the majors as there was of Appel not signing, only with Appel not signing the team would actually get there first round pick back. If Almora busts, you are left empty handed.

4. Not like Almora was an awful pick with no potential, and he wasn't considered your typical high school pick as he was said to be the most polished high school bat in the draft, which is something you didn't allude to when you mentioned Appel's polish.

Bullshit he was the most polished bat. Now you are just making stuff up. In fact when people talk about Almora, the first thing they mention is his defense. Both Buxton and Correa have much more advanced bats.

5. The Cubs were supposed to be able to predict injury? Wow, too bad we couldn't predict disease too or we never would have drafted Hayden Simpson.

Did I say they were supposed to be able to predict injury? No?? Didn't think so.

Did I say that now with Almora's hand injury, he will pretty have no development under his belt by this June's draft so would be at the exact same point as if the Cubs didn't sign their first round draft pick last year and now had two picks in the top 6-7?? Yes. OK.

6. Almora isn't just "throwing a pick away".

If he doesn't become a perennial All Star player it will be. It will mean the throwing away of an entire major league season netted the Cubs absolutely nothing.

Let's see what lies come out of your mouth now.

 

[Jntg4]

Really? You are going to crap all overself because the difference in the pick was 7th instead of 6th???

You are pathetic



You forgot to add the factual part about this statement. "In my opinion" There were quite a few reports out last summer that indicated the option of him going to Miami was very real.

But that doesn't fit your agenda.



Point being, which you obviously miss, is that slurpers like you wet themselves saying that it would have been dumb to draft Appel because there was too much risk to it. There is just as much risk of Almora never making the majors as there was of Appel not signing, only with Appel not signing the team would actually get there first round pick back. If Almora busts, you are left empty handed.




Bullshit he was the most polished bat. Now you are just making stuff up. In fact when people talk about Almora, the first thing they mention is his defense. Both Buxton and Correa have much more advanced bats.



Did I say they were supposed to be able to predict injury? No?? Didn't think so.

Did I say that now with Almora's hand injury, he will pretty have no development under his belt by this June's draft so would be at the exact same point as if the Cubs didn't sign their first round draft pick last year and now had two picks in the top 6-7?? Yes. OK.



If he doesn't become a perennial All Star player it will be. It will meaning the throwing away of an entire major league season netted the Cubs absolutely nothing.

Let's see what lies come out of your mouth now.

Mean polished position player, tried to be lazy on phone. And ya, all I do is lie, k.

 

[mountsalami]

Really? You are going to crap all overself because the difference in the pick was 7th instead of 6th???

If he doesn't become a perennial All Star player it will be. It will meaning the throwing away of an entire major league season netted the Cubs absolutely nothing.

Let's see what lies come out of your mouth now.

KB. You know Almora was one of those picks that vaulted the Cubs minor league system into the top ten. I mean if Keith Law and Buster Hymen are the experts that we lean on for information as fans, then it has to be true. Right ?

We both know that they settled for less when they drafted Almora. Wasn't Almora's agent Scott Boras ?

With the said pitching in the minors being so bleak, as described by our puppet master's at Command Central, why do they not in just this case but many others, choose to do the complete opposite of what they originally describe as their "goal" ?

How long are the slurpers going to give Command Central credit for the stupidity that has been lying on the plate in front of them.

Sure is nice to see the Cubs and Marlins battle it out, isn't it ?

 

[KBisBack!]

Mean polished position player, tried to be lazy on phone. And ya, all I do is lie, k.

There is no such thing as a polished high school player. They all have lots of work to do.

He was easily the third best high school player in the draft behind Correa and Buxton and dont even try to waste everyones time saying he was better than either of those two.

Keep spinning.

 

[KBisBack!]

We both know that they settled for less when they drafted Almora. Wasn't Almora's agent Scott Boras ?

Indeed he was.

Funny how when it came to Appel, Boras was this insurmountable obstacle to getting a player signed but not a problem at all with Almora.

Great point.

 

[patg006]

KB. You know Almora was one of those picks that vaulted the Cubs minor league system into the top ten. I mean if Keith Law and Buster Hymen are the experts that we lean on for information as fans, then it has to be true. Right ?

We both know that they settled for less when they drafted Almora. Wasn't Almora's agent Scott Boras ?

The slurpers were too busy pointing out that Boras represented/helped Appel too. You know if it doesnt fit the agenda that Theo is infallible.......

With the said pitching in the minors being so bleak, as described by our puppet master's at Command Central, why do they not in just this case but many others, choose to do the complete opposite of what they originally describe as their "goal" ?

How long are the slurpers going to give Command Central credit for the stupidity that has been lying on the plate in front of them.

Sure is nice to see the Cubs and Marlins battle it out, isn't it ?

Hey now, Pierced Johnson made it through 5 innings the other day. thats progress, right?

Lying on the plate in front of them? You mean holes in the bullpen, an annointed 1B struggling to hit .200 and is top 20 in the league in strikeouts? An incompetent manager?

Oh yes, sure is nice to see the cubs beat a single A team with 1 hitter every pitcher throws nothing to because Giancarlo Stanton's protection in the line up is Greg Dobbs.......

be afraid pitchers.......

:fap:

 

[Franko725]

Kinda funny how the slurpers don't have any actual facts to dispute what is going on or the facts I have provided.

They are reduced to make ridiculous claims like 'the logic is faulty' because they know they don't have to provide any actual facts, which they know they can't.

Just weak.

Sorry, I was out doing actual productive things with my life instead of being on a message board all day.

Their is a MAJOR flaw in your logic as you want to point out those in others. That flaw is your assumption that they could have signed Fielder. It is a lot like your assumption that they could have signed Appel last year. You are ASSUMING these things, but putting them out there as if they are facts. There is no guarantee that either of these guys would have signed. And yet, you throw it out there as fact. Like I said, major flaw. Who knows if Fielder would have wanted to sign here. There is a much more likely chance that he still signs with Detroit, given the fact that they are contenders now. Of course, that scenario doesn't fit your agenda, so just keep on assuming.

As far as Rizzo goes, he is in his first full season in the majors. There is tape on him now. Of course the opposing pitching is going to make adjustments. Now he has to make adjustments. Every player goes through this.

As far as the starting pitching goes this season, they really haven't been that bad. If the offense and relief pitching wasn't pathetic, this team would be well over .500 right now. They would be over .500 if they hadn't blown all the save chances so far. And, everyone is bitching about where Jackson is slotted in the rotation right now. He is only there due to the fact that Garza is still hurt. He will obviously slot down when Garza is back, if he can come back healthy that is. Everyone wants to put him in the long term plans, but first he has to stay healthy.

 

[mountsalami]

Hey now, Pierced Johnson made it through 5 innings the other day. thats progress, right?

:fap:

That's a great step in the right direction, considering the other two TOP MEMBERS of the Epstein era, Germhole Contraception and Hemmoroidys Vizcaino, have been performing awesome also ?

Nice to see this great scouting and development team ,heralded by the media and Command Central themselves, really pull through during these tough times.

If they don't make these moves....We go nowhere and you can truely see the team improving as a result ?


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[KBisBack!]

Their is a MAJOR flaw in your logic as you want to point out those in others. That flaw is your assumption that they could have signed Fielder. It is a lot like your assumption that they could have signed Appel last year. You are ASSUMING these things, but putting them out there as if they are facts. There is no guarantee that either of these guys would have signed. And yet, you throw it out there as fact. Like I said, major flaw. Who knows if Fielder would have wanted to sign here. There is a much more likely chance that he still signs with Detroit, given the fact that they are contenders now. Of course, that scenario doesn't fit your agenda, so just keep on assuming.

There is a MAJOR flaw in your paragraph.

I NEVER said it was a fact that the Cubs could/would have signed either or both Fielder or Appel.

You slurpers are so busy crapping all over yourselves because someone has dared question the great PR plan.

You slurpers sit back and demand that the naysayers come up with a better plan and when one of us does you start whining about how there are major flaws in it because you have no actual facts to support your blind faith anymore.

I presented a plan that realistically could have made the Cubs better. Every bit as realistic as Rizzo and Almora turning into All Star level major league players.

But of course sitting back and doing absolutely nothing, not even making an attempt at Fielder or Appel certainly guarantees your team doesn't get better.

As far as Rizzo goes, he is in his first full season in the majors. There is tape on him now. Of course the opposing pitching is going to make adjustments. Now he has to make adjustments. Every player goes through this.

Of course every player goes through this.

The one itsy, bitsy, tiny detail you left out of your agenda is that not every player makes the adjustments.

You wish to throw it off as a guarantee that all he has to do is make some simple adjustments and everything will be hunky dory.

It isn't that easy chump.

Pitchers started figuring him out as far back as the All Streak Break last year and since then his numbers have been below average for a 1B. But the slurpers continue to ignore that point I have brought up several times now because they simple don't have the facts to counter it.

 

[patg006]

There is a MAJOR flaw in your paragraph.

I NEVER said it was a fact that the Cubs could/would have signed either or both Fielder or Appel.

You slurpers are so busy crapping all over yourselves because someone has dared question the great PR plan.

You slurpers sit back and demand that the naysayers come up with a better plan and when one of us does you start whining about how there are major flaws in it because you have no actual facts to support your blind faith anymore.

I presented a plan that realistically could have made the Cubs better. Every bit as realistic as Rizzo and Almora turning into All Star level major league players.

But of course sitting back and doing absolutely nothing, not even making an attempt at Fielder or Appel certainly guarantees your team doesn't get better.

Is it too late to throw in Yu Darvish? Or will slurpers blow loads again? Nah I shouldnt. Revisionist history.

Of course every player goes through this.

The one itsy, bitsy, tiny detail you left out of your agenda is that not every player makes the adjustments.

You wish to throw it off as a guarantee that all he has to do is make some simple adjustments and everything will be hunky dory.

It isn't that easy chump.

Pitchers started figuring him out as far back as the All Streak Break last year and since then his numbers have been below average for a 1B. But the slurpers continue to ignore that point I have brought up several times now because they simple don't have the facts to counter it.

Logic? Whats that?

Whoops...

 

[Franko725]

Ah, thank you once again for pointing out my agenda. It is so grown up of you to resort to name calling and insults.

Given your assumption that they would have been able to sign Fielder, what exactly do you think he contributes to the team last year? I can almost guarantee that his numbers would not have been as good as they were in Detroit. He would not have had the same production on the Cubs last year due to the guys around him. Hard to drive in runs when no one is on base in front of you. Also, it is hard to see decent pitches when you don't have a threat hitting behind you. You assume that he would have had more production than Rizzo did last year. However, if you extrapolate Rizzo's numbers from last year to a full 162 games, they are really close to what Fielder put up. Of course, that doesn't fit your agenda.

You are obviously not a fan of Theo and Co. The only problem that you run into when it comes to what they have done so far is that you neglect to bring into account that they can only work within the budget they are given. They are being held back by the Ricketts. The Ricketts' family reminds me of kids that want a puppy. They told their dad that they wanted this "puppy" and that they would take care of it. Only problem is, dad still has to fork out money. He is only concerned with making money from this team. If you really want to be mad at someone in this situation, be mad at Selig. He kept this team from having the owner that the fans deserved, just because he did not want Cuban in the league. Cuban may very well have hired Theo and Co. as well. However, he would be allotting the resources necessary to make the team competitive now as well as in the future.

Your plans for how to make the team better all originate in a fantasy baseball world where money is no object, and you can sign whatever player you want because they have no choice but to sign with you. That is not reality. It is nice to see you admit that they might not have been able to sign Fielder and Appel...now you just need to stop making it sound like it is a fact that they could have when you post your agenda.

 

[Jntg4]

Is it too late to throw in Yu Darvish? Or will slurpers blow loads again? Nah I shouldnt. Revisionist history.



Logic? Whats that?

Whoops...

The Cubs supposedly came up second in the Darvish betting, but far behind Texas. Also were second for Cespedes and Anibal Sanchez.

 

[Franko725]

Is it too late to throw in Yu Darvish? Or will slurpers blow loads again? Nah I shouldnt. Revisionist history.



Logic? Whats that?

Whoops...

You can throw out Darvish all you want. Again, he doesn't have to sign with the Cubs. Logic would again suggest that he signs where he thinks that he can win right away. Logic also suggest that Darvish doesn't win as many games last year playing for the Cubs due to the team around him. How many more games should Dempster have won last year when the Cubs were providing him with absolutely no run support. You guys seem to neglect to use that sort of logic into your thinking when it comes to players this team could have TRIED to sign.

Whoops...

 

[dabynsky]

You can throw out Darvish all you want. Again, he doesn't have to sign with the Cubs. Logic would again suggest that he signs where he thinks that he can win right away. Logic also suggest that Darvish doesn't win as many games last year playing for the Cubs due to the team around him. How many more games should Dempster have won last year when the Cubs were providing him with absolutely no run support. You guys seem to neglect to use that sort of logic into your thinking when it comes to players this team could have TRIED to sign.

Whoops...

Darvish was posted which means the team that won the bidding for Darvish would be the only major league team he could sign with. I wish the Cubs had been more aggressive but only one team in baseball thought that Darvish was worth a Dice-K bid. They turned out to be right.

 

[Jntg4]

Darvish was posted which means the team that won the bidding for Darvish would be the only major league team he could sign with. I wish the Cubs had been more aggressive but only one team in baseball thought that Darvish was worth a Dice-K bid. They turned out to be right.

:yep:

 

[Franko725]

But, that does not mean that he would have signed. It goes back to my argument about Fielder and Appel. In the fantasy baseball world these guys like to live in, everyone will sign here...within the budget the Ricketts' family has set. And they will all produce huge numbers on a bad team. I would have loved to have Darvish on this team, it didn't happen, so I have to move on and look to what may come next.

Darvish might have signed...might have stayed in Japan. Still wouldn't have been as successful last year on the Cubs as he ended up being on the Rangers. The Rangers are a team right now that are spending money the right way...and spending quite a bit of it. It should be telling that the hitter everyone here wanted this year, is one that they didn't want back.

The Nationals were able to pick up Strasburg and Harper via the draft. If Almora and whichever one of Gray or Appel turn out to be even close to the players that those two are (outside of Strasburg's injuries of course), it will be two productive drafts in a row. We will not know that until they are in the majors though. Hard to judge any of these players until they are actually make it.

 

[Jntg4]

But, that does not mean that he would have signed. It goes back to my argument about Fielder and Appel. In the fantasy baseball world these guys like to live in, everyone will sign here...within the budget the Ricketts' family has set. And they will all produce huge numbers on a bad team. I would have loved to have Darvish on this team, it didn't happen, so I have to move on and look to what may come next.

Darvish might have signed...might have stayed in Japan. Still wouldn't have been as successful last year on the Cubs as he ended up being on the Rangers. The Rangers are a team right now that are spending money the right way...and spending quite a bit of it. It should be telling that the hitter everyone here wanted this year, is one that they didn't want back.

The Nationals were able to pick up Strasburg and Harper via the draft. If Almora and whichever one of Gray or Appel turn out to be even close to the players that those two are (outside of Strasburg's injuries of course), it will be two productive drafts in a row. We will not know that until they are in the majors though. Hard to judge any of these players until they are actually make it.

Fielder had options, Appel had a 4th year of college, we knew Darvish wanted to come stateside, get the big money, and get US stardom for a long time, then when he finally gets his team to post him after such a long wait, he wasn't going to stay there.

And Almora and Appel/Gray AREN'T and WILL NOT be Harper/Starsburg or even all that close.