The Offensive Depth Chart Discussion

[WindyCity]

I wouldn't sleep in brauneker making it over brown for the last tightends spot. He was literally on every phase of special teams last year.


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I think he could as well. I am not sure how much they value Brown’s flashes at TE or Braunekcer on teams.

 

[WindyCity]

I agree with Mick on the numbers.

I think Nall is an interesting prospect because he can back up Howard but also do some of the same things Burton can do in the pass game as well as play some FB if necessary.

I think we'll see Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, White, Fowler and Wims at WR. Howard, Cohen, Cunningham and Nall at RB... Burton, Shaheen and Sims at TE...

I have a feeling Nall will be a core special teamer and play FB when neccassery.

6’2” 232lbs with good athletic numbers. My guess is he is on all special teams and adds some size to the units.

 

[rawdawg]

Don't like 4 RBs, 4 TEs, and 6 WRs. Granted, they did that part of last year, but they also didn't have a true stud WR (like Robinson) or a weapon like Burton in the slot.

One really interesting scenario is if Ryan Nall can show enough to make the roster. He has experience at tailback, fullback, and H-back, and is a pretty good receiver. He's nearly the same size as Burton (6'2, 232 vs. 6'3, 235) so I wonder if he could be groomed as a versatile backup who can kill 2 roster spots at once (4th RB & 4th TE). That's probably a long shot though to expect that much out of a UDFA. I'm not a fan of Daniel Brown, but he fits the flex-TE role better than anyone other than Burton. And I expect a lot of 12 personnel, so keeping 4 TEs makes sense, especially since you don't have a guy like Kelce who's never leaving the field.

I also think they could keep 7 WRs. Ideally, Wims could make it to the practice squad, but if they don't want to take that risk, I think both Fowler and Bellamy together with McManis could make for some amazing coverage units. If that's the case, could go with 3 RBs or just 8 linemen.

FWIW, i think that OL group is dead on. The Bears keep those 9 unless 1 is injured (other than Long), then they only keep 8.

 

[playthrough2001]

Don't like 4 RBs, 4 TEs, and 6 WRs. Granted, they did that part of last year, but they also didn't have a true stud WR (like Robinson) or a weapon like Burton in the slot.

One really interesting scenario is if Ryan Nall can show enough to make the roster. He has experience at tailback, fullback, and H-back, and is a pretty good receiver. He's nearly the same size as Burton (6'2, 232 vs. 6'3, 235) so I wonder if he could be groomed as a versatile backup who can kill 2 roster spots at once (4th RB & 4th TE). That's probably a long shot though to expect that much out of a UDFA. I'm not a fan of Daniel Brown, but he fits the flex-TE role better than anyone other than Burton. And I expect a lot of 12 personnel, so keeping 4 TEs makes sense, especially since you don't have a guy like Kelce who's never leaving the field.

I also think they could keep 7 WRs. Ideally, Wims could make it to the practice squad, but if they don't want to take that risk, I think both Fowler and Bellamy together with McManis could make for some amazing coverage units. If that's the case, could go with 3 RBs or just 8 linemen.

FWIW, i think that OL group is dead on. The Bears keep those 9 unless 1 is injured (other than Long), then they only keep 8.

I completely agree on Nall. I’m looking forward to seeing him on the field. His versatility will give him a great shot to make the team. I have a feeling that none of this draft class is going to be exposed to waivers and I think two of the UDFAs (Toliver and Nall) have a chance to make the roster.

I snagged the opportunity to watch practice on May 23rd at Halas Hall through the season tickets holders experiences today. I’m really looking forward to seeing how everyone is deployed.

 

[botfly10]

Discussion? Before camp or preseason? Why?

 

[SlickWilly]

Discussion? Before camp or preseason? Why?

Because it's a fucking Bears football message board.

 

[dabears70]

Because it's a fucking Bears football message board.

He's kinda got you on that one Bot

 

[Nelly]

I think Fowler will be a Bellamy replacement since Fowler has actually shown something as a receiver. Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, White, Fowler and Wims there.

4 tight ends seems overkill. Burton will be the go-to guy with Shaheen and Sims as the blockers/in-line guys. If Burton goes down then maybe we bring Brown off the PS or something.

4 RBs makes sense if Nall is your 4th. They really like Cunningham, and Nall seems versatile and can be somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades kinda guy, filling a bunch of roles from one spot.

The 9 offensive linemen makes sense. Considering Long's injury history, it'd be good to have an extra body there that's in from the start.

 

[dennehy]

I'd say Morgan and Wims on the PS and Brown maybe not on the roster (not sure if he's eligible for PS). 8 OL and Bellamy replaces Wims, Wims comes up when there's an injury.

There are going to be at least 26 players on the defensive side of the ball imo.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

The majority of Gabriel’s snaps have been outside in his career.

People keep posting this but apparently no one listens.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

WR: Robinson, Miller, Gabriel, Fowler, Wims, White

I think that with the total gong show that the WR position has been under Ryan Pace that the Bears need to keep 6 on the roster and ensure the maximum number of options and depth possible. The top 3 are obvious locks and arguably the best WR core we have seen 1-3 in a decade. After that there are some interesting decisions. White's money is guaranteed and he will be on the team until he goes on IR. That leaves 2 spots. Fowler is a bigger player, has flashed as a WR, and he is at least the equal to Bellamy on special teams. I think he makes it as the WR designated for special teams. I think Wims was a very nice value in the 7th round and offers a downfield threat that can win contested catches. I do not see them letting him go and exposing him to waivers. Based on the improved depth this should be the last season that we need to endure Josh Bellamy.

I have zero issue with Bellamy beating out Wims. It seems from what I read is that Wims is only good for 50-50 balls and not much else. IF he can play special teams then I pressure Bellamy and may the better man win, but it wouldn't shock me to see Wims struggle at ST and Bellamy is back as WR5 or 6. And I have zero problem with that. "Enduring" Bellamy was only a chore for me when he was relied upon to start and produce.

Also, great write-up, Windy. Thanks.

 

[bears51/40]

People keep posting this but apparently no one listens.

I think fans have a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact that someone as short and light as Gabriel can actually play on the outside. It is going to be fun just to watch how Nagy finds mismatches with his short, fast. quick big play guys Miller, Gabriel, and Cohen in his offense.

 

[DaaBears]

The further you go down the depth chart, the higher importance the more the importance on the player being able to contribute to special teams. This is a huge determining factor in who is on the roster, and how many are kept at positions, as it should be.

 

[wazzupi]

I have zero issue with Bellamy beating out Wims. It seems from what I read is that Wims is only good for 50-50 balls and not much else. IF he can play special teams then I pressure Bellamy and may the better man win, but it wouldn't shock me to see Wims struggle at ST and Bellamy is back as WR5 or 6. And I have zero problem with that. "Enduring" Bellamy was only a chore for me when he was relied upon to start and produce.

Also, great write-up, Windy. Thanks.

Bellamy is only good for ?? Getting better draft position ?

 

[WindyCity]

The further you go down the depth chart, the higher importance the more the importance on the player being able to contribute to special teams. This is a huge determining factor in who is on the roster, and how many are kept at positions, as it should be.

To a point.

I get keeping some special teams only guys, but in a perfect world some of your special teamers would have the upside to eventually develop into something.

My problem with Bellamy is that he is not good enough on special teams for me to miss on seeing what Bellamy can do. He is not so much better than Fowler on special teams that I do not want Fowler who is a better backup at WR.

But I agree it could be the difference between Braunecker and Brown and determine the battle between Timu-Anderson and whoever the 4th OLB is.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Bellamy is only good for ?? Getting better draft position ?

I said Bellamy is good for WR 5 or 6 and ST if Wims can't hack ST while riding pine. I was pretty clear there.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

To a point.

I get keeping some special teams only guys, but in a perfect world some of your special teamers would have the upside to eventually develop into something.

My problem with Bellamy is that he is not good enough on special teams for me to miss on seeing what Bellamy can do. He is not so much better than Fowler on special teams that I do not want Fowler who is a better backup at WR.

But I agree it could be the difference between Braunecker and Brown and determine the battle between Timu-Anderson and whoever the 4th OLB is.

IMO Fowler is in. Wims may not be in from what I read on him, but it sure looks like Wims is front runner for CCS camp hero. Stay tuned.

 

[botfly10]

He's kinda got you on that one Bot

Not really. When faced with an absence of information, the answer is never wild speculation. Doesn't matter where you are or what you are doing. Wild, uninformed speculation is never the answer. If this shit is all you can think of posting on here, maybe just go look at porn for 5 minutes instead.

 

[Visionman]

I think Fowler will be a Bellamy replacement since Fowler has actually shown something as a receiver. Robinson, Gabriel, Miller, White, Fowler and Wims there.

4 tight ends seems overkill. Burton will be the go-to guy with Shaheen and Sims as the blockers/in-line guys. If Burton goes down then maybe we bring Brown off the PS or something.

4 RBs makes sense if Nall is your 4th. They really like Cunningham, and Nall seems versatile and can be somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades kinda guy, filling a bunch of roles from one spot.

The 9 offensive linemen makes sense. Considering Long's injury history, it'd be good to have an extra body there that's in from the start.

I agree with the Fowler replacing Bellamy idea. But who fills the Burton role when he needs a breather if you run with only 3 TEs? That role seems to be an integral part of the overall offense...

 

[Kaufman20Embalm]

I agree with the Fowler replacing Bellamy idea. But who fills the Burton role when he needs a breather if you run with only 3 TEs? That role seems to be an integral part of the overall offense...

Hopefully Nall can step in and do that. Or you split Shaheen into the slot and let his size be a mismatch rather than speed


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