The Post Khalil Mack Financial and Draft Landscape

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During the 2nd half of the season, if we're not in playoff contention, I see them moving Howard for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I don't see Pace paying a chunk of money to extend him especially considering he's not a perfect fit in Nagy's system. Also, Pace has shown the ability to identify talent in the later rounds and Nagy has been able to make a 3rd round pick (Hunt) into a star.

Don't be surprised also if we move a WR for picks, especially if AR, Miller, Wims, Gabriel, and White all produce.

I wouldn't be shocked if by the 2019 draft we have recouped a 1st or 2nd round pick.

We don’t have any tradeable assets worth those types of picks.

Howard we would probably get a 3rd and every game closer to the end of his rookie deal his value goes down.

Howard should play out his rookie contract and then test the market.
 

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We don’t have any tradeable assets worth those types of picks.

Howard we would probably get a 3rd and every game closer to the end of his rookie deal his value goes down.

Howard should play out his rookie contract and then test the market.

It doesn't have to be Howard for a pick straight up. It can be Howard plus a later pick for a 2nd. Or it can be a package of players for picks. And of course we have tradeable assets. I don't think anyone outside of Trubisky, Mack, Hicks, and possibly Smith is untouchable.

Pace has proven to be a wheeler-dealer. I don't think he sits pat on this team next offseason. He's gonna make some more moves to improve the team.
 

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During the 2nd half of the season, if we're not in playoff contention, I see them moving Howard for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I don't see Pace paying a chunk of money to extend him especially considering he's not a perfect fit in Nagy's system. Also, Pace has shown the ability to identify talent in the later rounds and Nagy has been able to make a 3rd round pick (Hunt) into a star.

Don't be surprised also if we move a WR for picks, especially if AR, Miller, Wims, Gabriel, and White all produce.

I wouldn't be shocked if by the 2019 draft we have recouped a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Howard likely is only tradeable at next year's trade deadline when he will be a pending UFA. Teams just do not value RBs in today's NFL unless they are getting them for free basically. Bell is probably the most complete player in the league right now and Pittsburgh would gladly trade him for the right return, but no one is gonna give up what the Steelers want AND give Bell a huge contract. They will just wait it out until he can be had in free agency. Same will apply to Howard.
 

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During the 2nd half of the season, if we're not in playoff contention, I see them moving Howard for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I don't see Pace paying a chunk of money to extend him especially considering he's not a perfect fit in Nagy's system. Also, Pace has shown the ability to identify talent in the later rounds and Nagy has been able to make a 3rd round pick (Hunt) into a star.

Don't be surprised also if we move a WR for picks, especially if AR, Miller, Wims, Gabriel, and White all produce.

I wouldn't be shocked if by the 2019 draft we have recouped a 1st or 2nd round pick.

You realize the trade deadline in before the halfway point of the season (game 7 this year i believe)

You must not have any expectations or are assuming a 2-5 type start to be dumping starting players this year.
 

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You realize the trade deadline in before the halfway point of the season (game 7 this year i believe)

You must not have any expectations or are assuming a 2-5 type start to be dumping starting players this year.

I'm expecting 10-6 or 11-5. But you never know what will happen.

I expect starting players would be dumped for picks if it turns out disastrous. Only in positions where we have depth such as RB and WR.
 

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see above.

Yes 3rd CB is a big issue given it is a passing league and teams play nickel over 50% of the time now.

Issue with Howard is not whether he plays well but whether we have the money to meet his demands or whether it is better to trade him after next year and try and recoup picks. If he asks for 10-13 million a year then don't think we should pay that.

On Goldman and Amos, point was we have until Nov or Dec to extend with the money counting towards this years cap. I would take that much time before extending to see what other needs pop up based on how people perform.
 

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Yes 3rd CB is a big issue given it is a passing league and teams play nickel over 50% of the time now.

Issue with Howard is not whether he plays well but whether we have the money to meet his demands or whether it is better to trade him after next year and try and recoup picks. If he asks for 10-13 million a year then don't think we should pay that.

On Goldman and Amos, point was we have until Nov or Dec to extend with the money counting towards this years cap. I would take that much time before extending to see what other needs pop up based on how people perform.

Callahan should definitely be re-signed (otherwise that will be first priority in the Offseason, either via. FA or that 3rd rounder).

Howard, if he has a "Gurley like" turnaround considering his pass catching skills, then he would probably be worth $10M a year (although I have some reservation about his lack of agility).

Goldman should probably be prioritized over Amos because of positional value (it's way easier and cheaper to find a decent SS than a really disruptive D-Lineman).
 

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Callahan should definitely be re-signed (otherwise that will be first priority in the Offseason, either via. FA or that 3rd rounder).

Howard, if he has a "Gurley like" turnaround considering his pass catching skills, then he would probably be worth $10M a year (although I have some reservation about his lack of agility).

Goldman should probably be prioritized over Amos because of positional value (it's way easier and cheaper to find a decent SS than a really disruptive D-Lineman).

Goldman has had injury problems, cost more in free agency we look to have solid depth at dline and yes ss are cheap but not the good ones and if amos is still getting turnovers this season i bet we extend him over Goldman at least before 2019. I love Goldman but he seems to have regressed, at least in the stat sheets and honestly our run defense hasn't been the best either i don't nnow the real reason or cause but it's an issue.
 

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Goldman has had injury problems, cost more in free agency we look to have solid depth at dline and yes ss are cheap but not the good ones and if amos is still getting turnovers this season i bet we extend him over Goldman at least before 2019. I love Goldman but he seems to have regressed, at least in the stat sheets and honestly our run defense hasn't been the best either i don't nnow the real reason or cause but it's an issue.

Its not just the injury concerns, you think of Tommie Harris and the average career of a defensive tackle is something like 2.3 years. The more we hear Smith and Macks name with tackles, the better work Hicks and Goldman are doing but its all underappreciated. Yes, Eddie deserves a pay day, but who knows how much he will have left.
 

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Goldman should be the priority. He is a rare animal in a true NT that can get into the backfield and disrupt.
 

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Id move on from cody, but thats me.. Daniels suppose to be the future. If Long and Leno werent paid too, Id have no issues paying another lineman under the current roster conditions.
 

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Its not just the injury concerns, you think of Tommie Harris and the average career of a defensive tackle is something like 2.3 years. The more we hear Smith and Macks name with tackles, the better work Hicks and Goldman are doing but its all underappreciated. Yes, Eddie deserves a pay day, but who knows how much he will have left.

you make it sound like goldman is over the hill or something. harris was known for knee problems coming out Oklahoma and the bears still rolled the dice on him. Goldman is a 3 down player who can stop the run and rush the passer not to mention he's had no injuries requiring surgery. Unless the guy is asking for top tier money the bears need to extend him.
 

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Goldman should be the priority. He is a rare animal in a true NT that can get into the backfield and disrupt.

This exactly. There are not many people on this earth with his size that can move like him.

I remember a lot of people wanted us to draft Danny Shelton I the first that year. Getting Goldman in the second was a steal. We need to lock him down. Guys like him are not easily replaced.


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Goldman is a boss he’s a solid difference maker have to try to keep him

Would like the stability at safety by keeping Amos but I can live without him on the team
 

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Another interesting positive with the Mack signing.....

The Bears were likely going to sign a pretty decent deal with a FA OLB after the year and likely drafting one early also. But since they have Mack they don't need to do either. The positive side effect of that is if the Bears don't do anything else crazy in free agency next offseason...they actually have some players that may get multi-year contracts from other teams.

Massie won't get a huge deal. But could get 2-3 years.
Callahan is a guy that could get a decent deal. Aaron Colvin got 4/34 as a primarily nickel CB. Good year and Callahan could be in that range.
Lynch and White are probably looking at 1 year deals unless they have huge years, which is hard to do from down on a talented depth chart.
Kush could get a multi-year deal elsewhere if he shows to be an adequate starter.

What that means is the Bears could actually get an elusive comp pick or two in 2020. If Callahan gets a deal like Colvin's, and the Bears don't sign any big deals in free agency, i could see them getting a 4th round comp pick. Even if nobody else gets a multi-year deal, the rest of those guys could get the Bears a 6th or 7th round comp pick.

But an interesting case is Amos. I honestly don't see any way Amos signs with the Bears before next offseason. The top safety on the 2018 market only got 3 years, 16.35Mil (Kurt Coleman). I don't see anyway Amos signs for that. The Bears won't offer much more than that (maybe an extra year). So, I think Amos hits the market. If he does, I think the Bears have a real decision to make. Do you make Amos possibly a top 5 paid safety in the league? Or do you let someone else pay him and potentially get a 3rd round comp for him in 2020? The Bears still have Deon Bush, who could step in and start and they could add another S in the draft or sign a cheap vet to push Bush.
 

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Another interesting positive with the Mack signing.....

The Bears were likely going to sign a pretty decent deal with a FA OLB after the year and likely drafting one early also. But since they have Mack they don't need to do either. The positive side effect of that is if the Bears don't do anything else crazy in free agency next offseason...they actually have some players that may get multi-year contracts from other teams.

Massie won't get a huge deal. But could get 2-3 years.
Callahan is a guy that could get a decent deal. Aaron Colvin got 4/34 as a primarily nickel CB. Good year and Callahan could be in that range.
Lynch and White are probably looking at 1 year deals unless they have huge years, which is hard to do from down on a talented depth chart.
Kush could get a multi-year deal elsewhere if he shows to be an adequate starter.

What that means is the Bears could actually get an elusive comp pick or two in 2020. If Callahan gets a deal like Colvin's, and the Bears don't sign any big deals in free agency, i could see them getting a 4th round comp pick. Even if nobody else gets a multi-year deal, the rest of those guys could get the Bears a 6th or 7th round comp pick.

But an interesting case is Amos. I honestly don't see any way Amos signs with the Bears before next offseason. The top safety on the 2018 market only got 3 years, 16.35Mil (Kurt Coleman). I don't see anyway Amos signs for that. The Bears won't offer much more than that (maybe an extra year). So, I think Amos hits the market. If he does, I think the Bears have a real decision to make. Do you make Amos possibly a top 5 paid safety in the league? Or do you let someone else pay him and potentially get a 3rd round comp for him in 2020? The Bears still have Deon Bush, who could step in and start and they could add another S in the draft or sign a cheap vet to push Bush.

Amos is going to be a very tough decision. This year he needs to start generating some takeaways. Especially with the increased pressure from the front 7. If he doesn’t up the int numbers, I wouldn’t make him a top 5 paid safety despite is sound play and big hits.
 

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yeah, seems about the right time to start mock drafts
 

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you make it sound like goldman is over the hill or something. harris was known for knee problems coming out Oklahoma and the bears still rolled the dice on him. Goldman is a 3 down player who can stop the run and rush the passer not to mention he's had no injuries requiring surgery. Unless the guy is asking for top tier money the bears need to extend him.

Harris's problem was that the muscles attached to his hip came unglued basically not his knees. He was never the same after that.
 

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yeah, seems about the right time to start mock drafts

I agree. I think it is important after a major move to survey how it will change the landscape moving forward. In this case there has been a lot made of the Bears lacking/giving up draft capital.

But based on the positions they need and the fact that they are really drafting for depth and not instant impact the lack of draft capital next season should have a lesser impact on the Bears than some people are making it out to be.

I hope the mock draft, although hideously inaccurate in terms of players, shows that the Bears can address some needs in a satisfactory manner even with limited picks.
 

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