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My point, again...still remains.
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Lucas was definitely one of the first big men who could really shoot it. There was no 3pt line in his era though so it's really difficult to say so for sure.
In the case of Bird, he was definitely a SF for most of his career, but he could also definitely play the PF position. Interestingly, he started at PF ahead of McHale in the 1983 season and prior. McHale had been on the team for a couple years at that point: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1983.html
Either way, yeah the stretch 4 is not a new thing by any means
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You mean to tell me you've never seen Thibs make a halftime adjustment or any kind of in game adjustment?
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he hardly if ever makes in-game ones
1-10 from the field? **** it leave the lineup out there 5 more minutes
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Then I think you're really not paying attention.
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or maybe you arent?
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Well I harp on this at times, but it should be time to stop pigeonholing the offensive players by position. Dirk and Duncan play the same position, but do they play it the same way? Noah has shown the ability to lead a break, would you have confidence in Tiago Splitter doing the same?
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Remember that game against the Heat in 2012 where Rose was like 1-17.. Thibs took him out for Watson at the end of the game. Watson hit the tying three to go to OT, Bulls ended up winning. I call that an adjustment.
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If the lineups are what you are talking about in regards to in game adjustments then I feel confident in saying that you aren't paying attention.
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People are aware there are more things you can adjust mid game than just the 5 players on the court, right?
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I agree about not pigeonholing. I'm just saying Bird could be called a stretch 4 because of how he could play when McHale was not in the game. They did play at the same time for a majority of their time together, but it was not always the case.
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Here's one from this season:lol that was 3 years ago
but ok you got me
First game against Houston. Starts the game with Hinrich guarding Harden. Clearly that goes well. Switches Jimmy onto Harden for the rest of the game. I suppose you could say this is why Thibs let Hinrich guard Ariza in the last game. It worked the first time.
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well one i can point out he never seems to make an adjustment on is those stretch 4's i was talking about
you would think that night Draymond was killing us he woulda made sure Taj or whoever stay on him
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His defense is cooked?? :lmao:
8th in FG% defense & 8th in 3pt % defense, while also ranking #1 in least makes and attempts by an opponent from the 3pt line. Yea the team is having a reeeeal serious problem guarding stretch 4's on the 3pt line.
Opponent rebounds is not good (19th in total rebounds & 27th in offensive) There's the problem right there & a lot of those have been long rebounds that the team is not securing.
They hadn't seen GS at all that season until that game. Do you really think that they put a BIG scouting report together for Draymond Greene? And the guy didn't shoot 3's last year at all. It's been a surprise to everyone in the league.
But guess what Thibs did the next time they met? Made adjustments by guarding him out to the 3pt line. The result: 4-14 shooting 1-6 from 3. NEXT!
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Sam Perkins, the original stretch 4. I have a hard time with Bird as a stretch 4, because he could just about everything and I think of a stretch 4 as a guy who stands at the line and fires.
Plus Perkins always looked like just left a April 20th celebration.
Plus Perkins always looked like just left a April 20th celebration.
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Thibs defense is not cooked. Some of his players are beaten down.
It is hard not to accept that he over plays people to a detriment to the team. Butler and Noah both have nagging planter fasciitis injuries. Hinrich's turf toe is another wear and tear injury. Every injury is not the coaches fault. The injuries that are exclusive to over use and that happen on multiple players does lead to a certain type of conclusion.
The second half of the season will tell us a lot more about this team. You don't win anything in December or January March and on will be a lot more telling.
Lastly, the Bulls don't want to finish 4th or 5th. That is bad juju. The Raptors cannot fall outside of 4 and positioned pretty well for the 2nd seed. The Bulls really need to try and avoid the Cavs in the first round. I still do not believe for one minute that Lebron James is going out in the first round. NBA refs are by far the worst and James is going to get calls; especially in the firs round.
It is hard not to accept that he over plays people to a detriment to the team. Butler and Noah both have nagging planter fasciitis injuries. Hinrich's turf toe is another wear and tear injury. Every injury is not the coaches fault. The injuries that are exclusive to over use and that happen on multiple players does lead to a certain type of conclusion.
The second half of the season will tell us a lot more about this team. You don't win anything in December or January March and on will be a lot more telling.
Lastly, the Bulls don't want to finish 4th or 5th. That is bad juju. The Raptors cannot fall outside of 4 and positioned pretty well for the 2nd seed. The Bulls really need to try and avoid the Cavs in the first round. I still do not believe for one minute that Lebron James is going out in the first round. NBA refs are by far the worst and James is going to get calls; especially in the firs round.
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The only way it could be excusable to fire Thibs is if the Bulls lost to Charlotte or Miami. And even then, it wouldn't be excusable. Firing Thibs would be idiotic.