The Rooney Rule

[PeterMbangala]

What I'm saying is I don't think teams should be FORCED to interview minority coaches. If they're willing to miss out on top talent because of race, that's their problem. I think forcing it upon teams just makes the race issue bigger than it is. Was Mike Tomlin hired because of the Rooney Rule?

Yes, Tomlin was hired as a direct result of the rule.

 

[run and shoot]

I will want to see the stats showing percentage of black coaches that get into coaching at the NFL level get head coaching jobs vs those same percentage of white coaches. I want to see an apples to apples comparison. This should be fun.

this article deals more the racial divide in the NFL ( scroll thru for stats). This is a good read....amd a good look at racism in building rosters.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...cial-divide/&usg=AOvVaw0MF42sYANYjrX97e_gikQh


Climbing a slippery mountain: Why NFL’s black offensive coaches struggle to become a head coach, coordinator
The Denver Post spoke with 10 black coaches about the hiring process


whats sad is some of these black asst. coaches have been around a loong time without getting a shot a HC job
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ack-coaches/&usg=AOvVaw1KeKuViRC5EPGxFc3rfQDi

 

[run and shoot]

I would love to see the stats.

“Black coaches are less likely to be promoted than white ones, independent of their first position, their current position, their employer, their prior experience, their education and their age,” the authors wrote in the paper, “Racial Disparity in Leadership: Performance-Reward Bias in Promotions of National Football League Coaches.”


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...kles-up.html&usg=AOvVaw1Q-XHYfzM3Ykayp8K8Tsod

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Of 17 black head coaches in NFL history who have coached at least 1 full season 23.5% (4) fired from winning teams.

Of 174 white coaches since 1978, only 6.9% (12) were fired from winning team. GREAT research by @wagesofwins puts Jim Caldwell in context


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...es-get-fired&usg=AOvVaw1JgxTdakJCDe4GnsRiz_Ep

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

So the PM requires 50% of the positions be given to women even if there are men, even Black men, more qualified?

Yup, that be the case. I'm still on the fence about it, but I am able to see both sides.

 

[ijustposthere]

“Black coaches are less likely to be promoted than white ones, independent of their first position, their current position, their employer, their prior experience, their education and their age,” the authors wrote in the paper, “Racial Disparity in Leadership: Performance-Reward Bias in Promotions of National Football League Coaches.”


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...kles-up.html&usg=AOvVaw1Q-XHYfzM3Ykayp8K8Tsod

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Of 17 black head coaches in NFL history who have coached at least 1 full season 23.5% (4) fired from winning teams.

Of 174 white coaches since 1978, only 6.9% (12) were fired from winning team. GREAT research by @wagesofwins puts Jim Caldwell in context


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...es-get-fired&usg=AOvVaw1JgxTdakJCDe4GnsRiz_Ep

I don't consider missing the playoffs a winning team, regardless of record. Look at Mularkey. He got a playoff win and still was fired. That's pretty insane.

 

[ijustposthere]

What I'm saying is I don't think teams should be FORCED to interview minority coaches. If they're willing to miss out on top talent because of race, that's their problem. I think forcing it upon teams just makes the race issue bigger than it is. Was Mike Tomlin hired because of the Rooney Rule?

LOL, Tomlin is the most cited coach who benefited from the Rooney Rule.

 

[Washington]

Yup, that be the case. I'm still on the fence about it, but I am able to see both sides.

I hear ya but I feel bad for the guy who is more qualified than the woman yet is collecting unemployment because he was born with a penis and not a vagina. I'm all about hiring the best person for the job. Unfortunately, that is not always the case at my job too.

 

[Xuder O'Clam]

I hear ya but I feel bad for the guy who is more qualified than the woman yet is collecting unemployment because he was born with a penis and not a vagina. I'm all about hiring the best person for the job. Unfortunately, that is not always the case at my job too.

Women have been going through that for decades, (substitute the privates).

We all want things to be decided on merit. I agree with that, but I can see the idea behind just doing what Trudeau did. I don't think these women were unqualified for the job, but it does rankle a bit that the decision is made based on gender.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

We need to repel the Rooney rule as it does not leave room for diversity in the NFL. Without white coaches it would be a all black league.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

You will see 50% more minority hc hires over night if they started to work more on offensive side of the ball. Most of the minority coaching talent is on defensive side of the ball and many are qualified as hc 150%. It’s just bad timing that most teams are gunning for offensive minds right now. Rooney rule isn’t going to change this. You can name off top of your head minorities that would interest you as a hc from dc in the league but I can’t name one from offense side of the ball and I think that’s where we see how lopsided these hirings have been

 

[ShiftyDevil]

As someone that works for a giant corporation, getting your face in front of people that control purse strings is stupid important. The NFL is even more incestuous than your standard corp. Look at how many absolute trash coaches keep getting jobs, Lane Kiffin, Schiano, Jeff Fisher. The Rooney rule is good, not only for possible candidates but also moron teams.

 

[truthbedamned]

I will state this for the 2nd time:

NFL 70% Black 12.5% nationwide
HC 23% Black 12,5 % nationwide

WTF are people complaining about?

NBA has a token cracker on each team. WTF do black people want?

 

[BNB]

Yes, Tomlin was hired as a direct result of the rule.

LOL, Tomlin is the most cited coach who benefited from the Rooney Rule.

Just because it's widely cited doesn't make it true though. This is from Dan Rooney himself:

“Let me say this, Mike Tomlin was not part of the Rooney Rule,” Rooney said. “We had already interviewed [Bears defensive coordinator] Ron Rivera, and so that fulfilled the obligation. We went on, had heard about Mike, called him in and talked to him. He was very impressive. We got him back and talked to him on the phone often and he just showed that he was going to be a terrific coach, which I think is coming to bear. But, he was not part of the Rooney Rule.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/01/27/rooney-says-tomlin-wasnt-a-rooney-rule-candidate/

 

[Bearly]

You will see 50% more minority hc hires over night if they started to work more on offensive side of the ball. Most of the minority coaching talent is on defensive side of the ball and many are qualified as hc 150%. It’s just bad timing that most teams are gunning for offensive minds right now. Rooney rule isn’t going to change this. You can name off top of your head minorities that would interest you as a hc from dc in the league but I can’t name one from offense side of the ball and I think that’s where we see how lopsided these hirings have been

OMG. Context? Really?

 

[dweebs19]

I don't find anything wrong with getting your face out there to interview even if you don't get the job. NFL is not really a meritocracy. People who get chances know people. I mean, look at Norv Turner getting hired as OC. Brought his son on as QB coach. His brother Ron Turner is already on the staff as an offensive consultant, and his nephew is the assistant QB coach....This is insane

 

[BNB]

I also came across an article that was relevant to this thread. There was a study conducted with an article published by the journal, Labour Economics. Unfortunately, the study itself has to be purchased in order to view. http://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/17626.html

Essentially what they found was this: The race of a coach has not impacted their chances of getting a head coaching job in today's NFL, and the Rooney Rule isn't responsible for the increase in hiring of minority candidates.

What has led to the increase in the hiring of minority candidates? Success at coordinator positions and younger age.

That goes back to my earlier post in this thread - If you wanna see more minority head coaches, you'll need more minority coaches in OC and DC positions, which is naturally happening anyway.

Plus, for the most part, it takes a very long time to become a HC in the NFL. Given the fact that there weren't many minority coaches to begin with the NFL back in the 70's and 80's, it would make sense that the NFL didn't really have more minority head coaches by the late 90's or early 00's.

Andy Reid started coaching football in the early 80's, and didn't get a HC job until 1999. Bill Belichick was a coach for 16 years before becoming a HC. I share these examples because if most coaches in all positions back in the 70's and 80's were white, and it look a lot of them over 15 years to become a head coach, it, of course, would make sense that most head coaches would be white. As minority coaches in lower level coaching positions become more common, they've been moving their way up into coordinator positions, and ultimately head coaching jobs. It's just a long process and you won't see the impact over night.

Essentially, I agree with this:

"You need to expand the pool of available talent, and the way to do that is to get more minority coaches involved early on," Walker said.

Often, he said, former players enter the coaching profession by serving as volunteer assistants while attending graduate school, a route that may be less open to minorities. If the NFL wants to expand the future talent base of coaches, he said, it might consider providing financial and other support for African-Americans and Hispanics who want to learn coaching after college.