The Runners Thread

[KittiesKorner]

Does it make your thighs well-marbled? Asking for a friend who wants to get eaten.

 

[wonky73]

Turning this into the cardio thread. Just ordered ProForm Pro R10 Rower | ProForm Rowing Machines | ProForm Got it for 450 + shipping.

 

[FozzyBear]

Turning this into the cardio thread. Just ordered ProForm Pro R10 Rower | ProForm Rowing Machines | ProForm Got it for 450 + shipping.

Sweet. Someone else back on the wagon.

@Penny Traitor or @nvanprooyen could you please update the thread title to the cardio thread for wonky73

 

[KittiesKorner]

i can be a real asshole about erg/rowing machine techniques

 

[KittiesKorner]

I'll excuse myself but if you aren't under 7 minutes at 2K meters, you're doing it wrong

 

[nvanprooyen]

I used to be able to run the 400m in about 54 seconds. My 800m time was like 1:56. Those days are long behind me.

 

[FozzyBear]

Sprinting releases healing factors into your bloodstream, redlines cardiovascular system, and is important to youthful vitality.


Try sprinting uphill or half underwater in old age once per week.(slows you down, reduces impact)

Maybe one day, maybe not. Sprints were my jam.. short and sweet. BUT im just going slow and steady until i dont know when. No real running regime at the moment.. gotta build that foundation. sticking to a singular run goal first. ...at some point after the 5k build, ill dust off and pull out the agility ladder and start loosening up.. thats a long ways off at this pace though... im good going slow for now.. still gotta ramp up me jog time then the pace as is too.. trust the process M8. grow the football

 

[Aquineas]

I used to be able to run the 400m in about 54 seconds. My 800m time was like 1:56. Those days are long behind me.

I went to a regional independent meet for my kids a couple of weeks ago that had a lot of track clubs for kids from Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio present. You'd be amazed at how fast these kids are. I have little doubt that some of those kids are not only potential future Olympians, but future NFL players as well. There were 9-10 year old girls long-jumping 14'.

 

[FozzyBear]

Think Ive settled in to a 4 on 1 off scheduale. Day 16 I introduced da 400m. IDK if Ill do a 400m day each 4 day cycle but Ill start adding another rep or 2 per session going forward. maybe, IDK.. I still dont have a plan, but i do have a goal, so Im just winging it slowly until I get there.

Started noticing lactic acid build up or weak peroneal tendons in both my legs around the 9 min mark during the second rep. I do walk it out before rep 3 and its gone, but its def there the first time i hit 9 minutes. When I was young and booking it.. Id get lactic acid in my quads around 4 minutes in or so but could run it out. ****, i guess im old. While faster times seems like a more efficient way to fit one in, that logic may not be suitable at this point in time and I may need to reassess that goal or push it out until I can work out what the root cause really is. Legs are fine at 14 minutes, could easily go longer, but Im a creep n Im creepin..


Day 15 Warm Up, 4 min jog/2min walk. 8 min jog/3 minute walk. 10 minute jog into cool down 22 min jog time.
Day 16 Warm up. 4 Min jog/2 min walk. 3 x 400m / with in between 3 minute walks 10-12 min pace. Cool down
Day 17 Warm up, 4 min jog/ 2min walk, 9 min jog/ 4 min walk, 10 minute jog into cool down. 23 minute jog time.
Day 18 Warm up, 4min jog/ 2 min walk, 10 min jog/ 3 min walk, 10 minute jog into cool down 24 min jog time.
Day 19 Day off
Day 20 Warm up, 4 min jog/ 2 min walk, 10 min jog/ 4 min walk, 12 minute jog into cool down 26 min jog time.
Day 21 Warm up, 4 min jog/ 2 min walk, 10 min jog/ 5 min walk, 14 min jog into cool down 28 min jog time.

 

[FozzyBear]

TL;DR Doesnt matter

Last 2 days were days where I could of lost the battle. I try to work with the philosophy of.. win more than you lose and maybe youll see success.. I def need to work on my sleep hygiene.. woke up late day 22 almost didnt jog.. did 400m routine.. didnt add to the reps nor did i do a cool down.. had to go to work.

Day 23. I looked at my old shoes after day 21 wondering if they were to cause for my peroneal tendon episode the other day. I noticed they are worn out on the outside and may be causing excessive supination. Bought some asics years ago cause I got tired of getting me J's dirty when walking the dog. The only other running shoe, I got are Adidas NMDs. Well I wouldnt call them running shoes. However, I thought Id run in them since they are lightly worn and still in a neutral state. Bad choice. No support in these. Its my winter casual shoe as they are wool. For all I know they are knockoffs. Bought new from ebay without a receipt years ago. I do know NMDS were KO'd, so maybe that or maybe bad mats after years. Ive also seen that even though they are boost they dont offer much support and lemme tell ya, its true.

During rep two I had to stop at 5 minutes as my left hip was starting to cramp. Walked it off and tried again. Stopped at 3 minutes, cramping worse. Thought about quitting for the day but I swapped backed to my worn out shoes and tried again.. Hip didnt flare back up. I covered the timer to see when my peroneal tendons would burn.. never happened. when I uncovered the timer I was at 22 minutes and decided to go to 25, then noticed 5k wasnt far off and went to 30. Did a walking hobbling, jogging 5k. IDK where to go from here though.. Im like If im doing 30 minutes can I really go back and do less.. IDK.. Hard goal non interval 5k

Did order some ultraboosts v1s day 21. Hopefully they have way more support than the NMDs. I like the feel and fit of the NMDs so hopefully the Ultraboosts are the same but with more support. If I knew the NMDs were going to be that bad I would have skipped trying out ultraboosts. However, I got some defunkt gaudy colorway on discount.

Ordered a different pair yesterday too just in case the ultraboosts are shit.. some mizuno wave rider neo 2.. got them cheap too.. that gaudy colorway deal.. some neon yellow looking fucks.

I should have bought new runners before I started, but I wanted to see if Id keep at it. Should have just replaced the asics with another pair of asics. New balance were my joints 2 decades ago.. but thought Id try something different.. idk when running shoes started coming out with marshmallow looking platform shoes.. wtf is that about.


Day 22 Warm up. 4 Min jog/2 min walk. 3 x 400m / with in between 3 minute walks 10-12 min pace.
Day 23 Warm Up. 4 min jog/ 2min walk. 5 min jog/3 min walk. 3 min jog, change shoes 2 minute walk 30 min jog into cool down. 5k. 42 min jog time.

 

[FozzyBear]

DA Discounted colorway shoes from me hookup in pictures. Anyone recommend a shoe and model? The asics I have are kayanos and feel good minus the worn out sides.. I cant remember what new balance i liked maybe the 990s. Havent tried Brooks, Hoka or Saucony. Dont care for Nikes.

 

[MDB111™]

Read/watch/listen to David Goggins and quit being a little *****! Run through all of your pain until you're pissing blood and shitting yourself after your 100 mile ultra. Man up!

 

[FozzyBear]

Read/watch/listen to David Goggins and quit being a little *****! Run through all of your pain until you're pissing blood and shitting yourself after your 100 mile ultra. Man up!

Goggins. That obese bedding wetting tub o lard. When he goes to those 'dark places,' its just him thinking about being a fat arse bed wetter. Thats the demon hes running from.. I got some love for the Goggins though, I respect me fellow vets. Also prior to becoming a seal, he was some Air Force TACP washout. We have the wild blue yonder in common. Off we go mah brotha...

If anything, David should be listening to me. After leaving the AF and becoming a ice cream fatty, he tried to run again. Only a couples years removed from the AF he couldn't even run a 1/4 mile. I think he went home ate a tub of ice cream and cried about it. Im over 20 years removed from ground work and over 20 years older than when the goggins started his journey. Im def not guzzling pints of ice cream and swallowing whole boxes of doughnuts.... crying about me tendons are burning or my hip was on fire. Nah, M8.... Im changing shoes

I do respect the mans willingness to destroy himself in the name of love, even if that love is vanity. I know what its like to destroy me body for a greater cause. If I have to go 100 miles in another 10-15 years or so, and after becoming a seal, Ill drive.

If I wanted to model meself after a true badarse GOAT and destroy meself, i would follow Ronnie Colemans path... yeah buddy......

 

[MDB111™]

Goggins. That obese bedding wetting tub o lard. When he goes to those 'dark places,' its just him thinking about being a fat arse bed wetter. Thats the demon hes running from.. I got some love for the Goggins though, I respect me fellow vets. Also prior to becoming a seal, he was some Air Force TACP washout. We have the wild blue yonder in common. Off we go mah brotha...

If anything, David should be listening to me. After leaving the AF and becoming a ice cream fatty, he tried to run again. Only a couples years removed from the AF he couldn't even run a 1/4 mile. I think he went home ate a tub of ice cream and cried about it. Im over 20 years removed from ground work and over 20 years older than when the goggins started his journey. Im def not guzzling pints of ice cream and swallowing whole boxes of doughnuts.... crying about me tendons are burning or my hip was on fire. Nah, M8.... Im changing shoes

I do respect the mans willingness to destroy himself in the name of love, even if that love is vanity. I know what its like to destroy me body for a greater cause. If I have to go 100 miles in another 10-15 years or so, and after becoming a seal, Ill drive.

If I wanted to model meself after a true badarse GOAT and destroy meself, i would follow Ronnie Colemans path... yeah buddy......

One is crippled and one is not. David Goggins is more sadistic than "chasing vanity" I think he has grown to enjoy the pain.

 

[FozzyBear]

Mizuno Wave Rider Neo 2 first run review from a non running expert.




Wow! Where the **** were these radioactive fukushimas when I use to run in New Balance a lifetime ago? Ive ran in some other mizuno before. Yeah, so like maybe around 20 years ago but they were solid for what they were, and I had no issue trying the brand again. BUT compared to their old shit, these neon cyberpunkz be firez. I get the whole softer pillowy foam now. I see, I see.

I did 39 minutes worth of jogging in them today and it was a joy compared to me worn out lopsided asics kayanos and no bounce adidas nmds. I would have ran longer today but I was a bit dehydrated. Had a fitness test yesterday, followed by walking around in the sun and I barely drank any water. Skin started to feel that dehydrated feel if ya been there, so I stopped.

These have a 9-12mm heel drop.. IDK what I think about that. 6-8mm may be better for my foot. However, These are built for longer distance and higher tempo running. Also everyday trainers/recovery joints for the running elites out there. So maybe I wouldnt notice as much if I wasnt going at a snails pace. Since the heel is around 30mm and the ball area is around 18mm i may like it up tempo. Good cushion on the heel but a thinner forefoot wrapped in some nice rubber for da grips and ground feel.

Comes in standard width. Slip on. True to size. Fit is good in the upper. Cage area provides a nice snug hold. Breathable

If you cant find the NEO 2, would probably still recommend the NEO 1.

 

[FozzyBear]

TL;DR. 5K goal hit, 10k is the next mark. Couch to 5k is a thing. What about Past their prime drunken gamer to 5k!?!

Last 7 days complete. Hit me non interval 5k goal 32 days ahead of me estimated schedule. It was slow as, but it was completed.

I had been doing a lazy stretch before my session and tried a full stretch with some leg movement drills on day 28. I wanted to bypass the 4 min jog and second rep. It seemed to work. I run in a synthetic thermal and a sleeveless hoodie and I think it makes me work a lil harder than just a normal t would. Changed to a cotton thermal and It helped some day 28. Didnt have me hood on me head either.

Hit me non stop 5k goal on day 28. Time was around 46:33. When i said I was going slow enough to walk my pace, I meant it. Still though, I got to distance. My bro in law is a semi pro cyclist. some comps here and there but has a day job. He asked what i had been up to and I told him. He had me talk to his running elite friend for a few minutes.

The inlaw friend kind of liked what i was doing. Said it had been so long since I ran that I might as well be a beginner again. BUT i had muscle memory in me pocket and may progress a lil quicker than a true beginner. Said Its nice to change up routines from day to day like the 400ms. BUT said to keep building a base for a lil longer then add different kinds of runs per session once i got a solid foundation. Different shoes to work me muscles differently too. He said for me to get faster, I need to go slower and build time/distance. Rather than just trying to run faster 5ks. Something about building capillaries, vo2 n shit. Said I should worry about building up to 10k before worrying about me 5k pace. Im like bro.. 10k would be an hour and a half at my pace.. suggested just turning up the treadmill a lil but swears by slow and longer runs. I think i'll listen.

Had a medical/fitness test for that job with the weird interview. Was already scheduled before the interview. Who knew step ups and planks were a thing. By the time I got to level 5 on the step ups i could start to feel it. never done step ups other than walking up steps. Anywho had to do abunch of shit. Passed it all. No running was involved. Think they went to step ups when the co vid hit and kept it. Im sure the running helped me a lil with the step up though. Im not completely out of shape. Im functionally fit with good strength considering im past me prime... my cardio is suspect though..

I had ordered another pair of Mizunos before getting guys advice, but i still have the boost coming. I couldnt find the Neos like I have in my size...sold out... but the wave rider 25s have the same midsole. the 24s dont.. the 26s changed a tad.

Day 22 Warm up. 4 Min jog/2 min walk. 3 x 400m / with in between 3 minute walks 10-12 min pace. Half arse Cool down
Day 23 Warm Up. 4 min jog/ 2min walk. 5 min jog/3 min walk. 3 min jog, change shoes 2 minute walk 30 min jog into cool down. 5k. 42 min jog
Day 24 Day Off + Espom soak
Day 25 Day Off, Fitness Test + Active Recovery walking.
Day 26 Warm up, 4 min jog/ 2 min walk. 10 min jog/ 4 min walk. 25 min jog into cooldown. 4.8k 39 min jog time
Day 27 Warm up, 4 min jog/ 2 min walk. 10 min jog/ 5 min walk. 30 min jog into cooldown. 5.6k 44 min jog time.
Day 28 Stretch, Warm up, 50 min jog into cooldown. 5.6 KM 46-47min 5k. Stretch.

 

[FozzyBear]

Celebrated me 5k goal and basically running a half marathon this 7 day cycle with some nutritious and authentic mexican food via the TACO BELL. Cant remember the last time I ate the Taco Bell.

Anywho, just updating me shoe haul. Wife had picked up and thrown those Adidas boost in her car this morning and I tried them on when she be got home. Im not impressed at all. Doesnt fit as true as the NMDs. Almost seems .25-.5 larger length wise. Good support in the cage area. snug there. Have a lil bounce to them, but those mizunos are nex level legit. I havent run in the boosts so I cant really say they are complete shit, but the initial impressions are meh to me after expeirincing the neo 2s. May just resell the ultra boosts.. IDK... the outsoles and that continental rubber look good enough for some trails, so im debating..

TBH I dont feel like coming out of the mizunos its why I went looking for a second pair to have in rotation. while the ones i got arent the exact same mizunos they have the same midsole.. and im looking for that feel on me foot.

 

[FozzyBear]

Wave Rider 25 Review from a non running expert



Day 30 was an off day but I still wanted to move me legs a lil. Went for a longer walk with the dog. Once I got to the lake I did some drills with the dog. Running in a field @ around 400m per rep. Did 3 reps seeing if the dog could be trained to run with me one day. I forgot what it was like to run on uneven surfaces. Been jogging in lab conditions. Back on turf I felt different lil stabilizers being worked and it just felt more difficult vs a 400m on the treadmill.

While the shoes have the same midsole as the Neo 2, its slightly stiffer. So if the neos are too soft these may be the go. Outsole also has more rubber, carbon rubber. I saw the Wave Rider 26 had added more foam to the midsole. So maybe that version is a lil softer like the NEO 2. Overall though, still feels good. Def feels better than the ultra boosts. Didnt run on harder surface to see the bounce.. was more focused on training the dog.

True to size. Hugging fit, Good heel lock. Can loop tie with the extra lower shoe lace hole. Neos dont have that extra hole. Same 12mm drop. Around 260-70 grams per.

 

[FozzyBear]

Ill just update the week before it ends. Doubt i run anymore this week. Gotz da flu. Fam had it and felt that sharing was caring. Being sick has helped me identify weak areas in me legs. Will modify me workouts going forward and actually plan.

Calves have been tight. Used a massage gun on them and it was pretty painful and knotted up in both legs. Doesnt hurt to walk, calf raise or anything. my mobility isnt effected at all. However, going forward, I will spend days just doing calf strengthening and other mobility builders/drills. Notice hips are sore too. I think being sick pushed these weaker areas to the forefront and hindered recovery. Normal flu aches too. I forget Im old, so unless someones gotz some deer horn cream they can give me. I need to strategize and think long term.

Will start to train like a real runner. Modify my weeks like a beginner and build while I strengthen da running areas via da drills and exercise specifics. The runner I talked to talked about easy days., even though their easy days are like 10-15k. So I hit me initial goal of 5k and will use 5k+ as the hard days.. 25-30 minutes should be my easy days. then roll in some 800m to go with the 400s as was suggested until i build a solid base then modify. IDK how long this phase will be, but it will be. At least 28 more days until I gather the data and reassess..

So as the week stands and will probably stand. Was feeling run down day 29. Legs were heavy, was feel nauseated etc. Tried to play with a km/phr. either moved it .5 km up or down. ended up going slower overall. soaked in the epsom and the flu was creeping in. day 30 tried to suck it up and turned a day off into drills.. flu was full on by night.

Day 29 Stretch, Warm up, 48 min jog into cool down. 47:47 5k. Walked to 5.61km Stretch.
Day 30 Walked a few k + 400m training with dog
Day 31 Day off Sick
Day 32 Day off Sick
Day 33
Day 34
Day 35

 

[FozzyBear]

Day 29 Stretch, Warm up, 48 min jog into cool down. 47:47 5k. Walked to 5.61km Stretch.
Day 30 Walked a few k + 400m training with dog
Day 31 Day off Sick
Day 32 Day off Sick
Day 33 Day off Sick
Day 34 Day off Sick . Calf/Hip intro exercises

Sitting calf raises - inner,outer/whole– 3 x 10 each
Standing calf raises – 3 x 10
Hip flexor bands – side steps n laying spreads

Day 35 (Monday 12 June) day off sick

Finished off that week. Still feel sick. Fam was sick for a couple of weeks too. WTF is this shit about? A new designer flu, da covid?

Day 36 Feel worn down from whatever i gots. Mentals are down too, like Im deficient in some vitamin. Body energy feels like Mono in a way. Alex Leatherwood knows the struggle and hes an elite athlete. Feel fatigued for sure and still suffering from nausea. Started some new shat. Form running drills, more hip/calf/glute conditioners. More stretching, added foam roller etc. The treadmill was doing intervals for 30 minutes total of walking and jogging. No more than 3 mins jogging at a time.

I was doing high knees in a form drill and something occurred to me. My running form was complete shit. I realized I wasnt popping my knee up, rather I had been popping and pulling my foot back. Using way more calf. Thus, da tight calfs? My pace was so slow I didnt realize how lazy I was being in the cycle. Even though I was focusing on my land and pop out. I was literally popping back and running this whole time using mostly calf.

During me 30 minute session on the mill, I focused on higher knees and finishing the cycle with the heel kick towards me bum. Had to up the speed a lil cause, it was harder to do high knees at me slower 15 min mile pace imo. Im starting from square 1 again. I noticed in my new but back in the day form, one of my peroneal tendons was cramping. Fucking old age. I know I have 5k in me back pocket but will be rebuilding this running form as if Im starting over again. New goal, better form and better form 5k. This session was easy but hard. I had zero energy. Felt like I lost all my cardio I gained the last few weeks. Already booked tomorrow off. Slow and steady is the game..