The underlying problem with the Bulls is John Paxson and Gar Forman.

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John Paxson and Gar Forman have been running this team for over 13 seasons now. They have not gotten it done. They should be fired. I simply cannot recall this type of blinding support and protection when it came to Jerry Angelo, Phil Emery, Jim Hendry, or any other executive in Chicago sports. The fact is--Continuously, GarPax has failed to provide talented, championship caliber rosters.

When the losing happens, they sell this narrative to the fan base and in turn the media echoes the following: The teams' shortcomings fall on the coach, Derrick Rose's injury history (and difficult contract), or just the fact that LeBron James is in the same conference, therefore there is not even a point to trying to improve the team. A popular response in the Chicago media is: "Well, Derrick Rose and his huge contract. It takes up 33% of the Bulls salary cap. Nobody wants it. They can't do anything. They don't have any valuable pieces." Its simply BS. Don't you wonder how the likes of talented rosters like the Warriors, Rockets and Clippers are built? The best teams have competent management who do not sit on their hands year after year, while pushing the same garbage narrative emphasizing continuity.

You don't see this with Bob Meyers in Golden State or Daryl Morey in Houston or Gary Sacks in Los Angeles. When Bob Meyers was "capped out" two off-seasons ago, did he sit on his hands like John Paxson and Gar Forman? Or did he actively pursue players through free agency and trade. I wonder how Finals MVP Andre Iguodala ended up on their team when according to GarPax's philosophies, they had no way of acquiring talent of that caliber, given their alleged cap constraints. Oh yeah. Its called creativity. Its called a sign and trade with Denver. Its called doing your job well. Forget being aggressive in free agency once every five years and then striking out each time. Forget blaming the 2nd most winningest coach in franchise history for the teams losses. Forget the fact that the team hasn't acquired a non-rookie via a trade within the last 5 years (C.J Watson was signed and then traded to bulls for nothing in FA 2010). Forget the fact that John Paxson physically assaulted a coach, and instead of getting fired immediately, he was instantly promoted. Forget the fact that Tom Thibodeau wasn't even GarPax's choice to coach the team, as they preferred the likes of Doug Collins, Lawrence Frank and Mike Brown. Forget the fact that John Paxson went from broadcast booth to making all personnel decisions in one years time.

You can even go ahead and make up reasons to support them by citing overused rhetorics backing the drafting of Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler. Just because you have drafted fairly well (and its not even like they have recently, i.e. Teague, McDermott, Snell, Bairstow, Mirotic), this doesn't make you good executives. The reality is that both guys have failed so miserably when it comes to exploring other ways of improving the roster. I am simply astonished that the media feeds into this garbage that the Bulls org. sells. It shouldn't happen anymore. The fans deserve to see a championship, and as long as those guys are employed, they wont. And believe me, the media isn't helping that cause when all you do is refuse to have the conversation and deflect the criticism to something else. Even when Thibs was fired in May--Adrian Wojnarowski wrote that objective article filled with truths detailing the Bulls dysfunction within management and their obvious vendetta against Thibodeau, not once did the Chicago media mention it. When do we hold these guys accountable?
 

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Not sure why you would use the Clippers and Rockets as examples against the front office. Considering that those are two of the teams who disappoint year after year. They have not "gotten it done" whatsoever and in all likelihood, won't get it done anytime soon.
 

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FWIW, GarPax get a ton of flak every year here so :shrug:
 

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John Paxson and Gar Forman have been running this team for over 13 seasons now. They have not gotten it done. They should be fired. I simply cannot recall this type of blinding support and protection when it came to Jerry Angelo, Phil Emery, Jim Hendry, or any other executive in Chicago sports. The fact is--Continuously, GarPax has failed to provide talented, championship caliber rosters.

When the losing happens, they sell this narrative to the fan base and in turn the media echoes the following: The teams' shortcomings fall on the coach, Derrick Rose's injury history (and difficult contract), or just the fact that LeBron James is in the same conference, therefore there is not even a point to trying to improve the team. A popular response in the Chicago media is: "Well, Derrick Rose and his huge contract. It takes up 33% of the Bulls salary cap. Nobody wants it. They can't do anything. They don't have any valuable pieces." Its simply BS. Don't you wonder how the likes of talented rosters like the Warriors, Rockets and Clippers are built? The best teams have competent management who do not sit on their hands year after year, while pushing the same garbage narrative emphasizing continuity.

You don't see this with Bob Meyers in Golden State or Daryl Morey in Houston or Gary Sacks in Los Angeles. When Bob Meyers was "capped out" two off-seasons ago, did he sit on his hands like John Paxson and Gar Forman? Or did he actively pursue players through free agency and trade. I wonder how Finals MVP Andre Iguodala ended up on their team when according to GarPax's philosophies, they had no way of acquiring talent of that caliber, given their alleged cap constraints. Oh yeah. Its called creativity. Its called a sign and trade with Denver. Its called doing your job well. Forget being aggressive in free agency once every five years and then striking out each time. Forget blaming the 2nd most winningest coach in franchise history for the teams losses. Forget the fact that the team hasn't acquired a non-rookie via a trade within the last 5 years (C.J Watson was signed and then traded to bulls for nothing in FA 2010). Forget the fact that John Paxson physically assaulted a coach, and instead of getting fired immediately, he was instantly promoted. Forget the fact that Tom Thibodeau wasn't even GarPax's choice to coach the team, as they preferred the likes of Doug Collins, Lawrence Frank and Mike Brown. Forget the fact that John Paxson went from broadcast booth to making all personnel decisions in one years time.

You can even go ahead and make up reasons to support them by citing overused rhetorics backing the drafting of Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler. Just because you have drafted fairly well (and its not even like they have recently, i.e. Teague, McDermott, Snell, Bairstow, Mirotic), this doesn't make you good executives. The reality is that both guys have failed so miserably when it comes to exploring other ways of improving the roster. I am simply astonished that the media feeds into this garbage that the Bulls org. sells. It shouldn't happen anymore. The fans deserve to see a championship, and as long as those guys are employed, they wont. And believe me, the media isn't helping that cause when all you do is refuse to have the conversation and deflect the criticism to something else. Even when Thibs was fired in May--Adrian Wojnarowski wrote that objective article filled with truths detailing the Bulls dysfunction within management and their obvious vendetta against Thibodeau, not once did the Chicago media mention it. When do we hold these guys accountable?

Is this supposed to be some sort of breaking news or something?
 

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Garpax are terrible at luring big time free agents to Chicago.

Can't knock their ability to draft players though considering they have found guys like Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson and Nikola late in drafts. That's a large part of what they do.

They also can't help their once superstar suffered serious knee injuries. Could you imagine this team if Rose never got hurt? People would eb talking about Rose and Jimmy rather than Steph and Klay.

They annoy me sometimes with their hesitancy in trades and inability to bring FA's here but they aren't the Brooklyn Nets FO.
 

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I'm just glad someone is finally brave enough to say this.
 

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I say again, GarPax get crap every single year. This isn't some newfound discovery.

he knows that. im sensing sarcasm on his part. like polarbear mentioned, it could be a lot worse. yes, gar/pax haven't come thru on big time FA or the blockbuster trade(s). but they have done an excellent job of drafting over their tenure. that said, it is getting to the point where its their heads on the chopping blocks finally. they just got rid of a head coach due to the fact he had been around for a while and hadn't gotten the team to the finals yet....eventually that works its way up the ladder to them
 

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I still just don't understand not landing big time free agents. Are we talking Lebron? Bosh? Melo? Howard?
 

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Not sure why you would use the Clippers and Rockets as examples against the front office. Considering that those are two of the teams who disappoint year after year. They have not "gotten it done" whatsoever and in all likelihood, won't get it done anytime soon.

and Warriors drafted Curry/Klay/Dray

Iggy was a 2nd tier FA signing

only big trade they made was Monta for Bogut
 

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I still just don't understand not landing big time free agents. Are we talking Lebron? Bosh? Melo? Howard?

Im not one to put a pedestal type of thing. But, it does seem no one wants to step in Jordan's shoes. Y'all have had tremendous HS students come from Chicago. You would think one would want to the hometown hero. Jordan is the only answer and I am probably completely wrong but its hard to explain.
 

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and Warriors drafted Curry/Klay/Dray

Iggy was a 2nd tier FA signing

only big trade they made was Monta for Bogut
I guess in fairness the Bogut trade was a gutsy trade since Monta was a huge part of their franchise. They were able to get Iggy through some creative lumping of their crappy signings from years prior and draft picks...Iggy had already agreed to sign with them so Denver was just trying to get what they could. Utah ended up getting like 5 picks out of that deal to facilitate. I would have no confidence in GarPax to do either one of those types of deals.
 

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