The underlying problem with the Bulls is John Paxson and Gar Forman.

[clonetrooper264]

for sure, not saying he hasn't played better of late. just saying he still isn't playing that great is all. improving upon crap is still crap most the time. the defensive rating I can understand, but offensive rating has shown to be a pretty good indicator and rose's is still muff cabbage. and I only mentioned the O and D ratings since it was brought up by someone else and they provided incorrect numbers

Fair enough. I just argue Rose has upgraded from crap to maybe around slightly above meh level. The scoring is definitely way way better, but the assists and TOs are not so hot. There's ways to go definitely, but imo the O rating isn't a true representation of what Rose's performance has been like, but even then 99 isn't completely horrid. But you can tell when Rose isn't in the game the offense goes to crap quite often.

 

[knoxville7]

Fair enough. I just argue Rose has upgraded from crap to maybe around slightly above meh level. The scoring is definitely way way better, but the assists and TOs are not so hot. There's ways to go definitely, but imo the O rating isn't a true representation of what Rose's performance has been like, but even then 99 isn't completely horrid. But you can tell when Rose isn't in the game the offense goes to crap quite often.

ehh a 99 rating is pretty bad IMO. but even if you don't like that offensive metric there are plenty of others that support the notion of bad player. he hasn't had a positive offensive win share rating in going on 3 years! and this year it is currently a negative number. his offensive box plus/minus is a negative number. his assist % is the lowest of his career this season

as far as just the month of January goes, its been better but still need to see ALOT more from him
11 games 18.8 ppg 3.3 assists 2.3 rebounds and 3 turnovers per game on 48.8% shooting and 23.5% from 3. a 1 to 1 assist to turnover ratio will never win you anything in this league from your PG

on the season he is avg 15.4 ppg 4.7 assists 3.1 rebounds on 2.7 TO per game. so literally in the month of January the only thing he has done better is shooting. assists and rebounds are down and turnovers are up :shrug:

 

[clonetrooper264]

ehh a 99 rating is pretty bad IMO. but even if you don't like that offensive metric there are plenty of others that support the notion of bad player. he hasn't had a positive offensive win share rating in going on 3 years! and this year it is currently a negative number. his offensive box plus/minus is a negative number. his assist % is the lowest of his career this season

as far as just the month of January goes, its been better but still need to see ALOT more from him
11 games 18.8 ppg 3.3 assists 2.3 rebounds and 3 turnovers per game on 48.8% shooting and 23.5% from 3. a 1 to 1 assist to turnover ratio will never win you anything in this league from your PG

on the season he is avg 15.4 ppg 4.7 assists 3.1 rebounds on 2.7 TO per game. so literally in the month of January the only thing he has done better is shooting. assists and rebounds are down and turnovers are up :shrug:

Yeah not saying he's been good. He's obviously been bad. Just saying there's been some improvement in the shooting/scoring department. But a lot of his bad stats for this year are really weighed down by how bad he was in those 1st 2 months. Idk what those box +/- numbers would be for only January or only post haircut, but I bet they're much better than whatever the season numbers are...though they're probably still not good. Anyway, the point is, of course his numbers say he's bad because his first couple months were ridiculously bad. And yes January isn't anything special, but it shows a significant improvement imo.

 

[knoxville7]

Yeah not saying he's been good. He's obviously been bad. Just saying there's been some improvement in the shooting/scoring department. But a lot of his bad stats for this year are really weighed down by how bad he was in those 1st 2 months. Idk what those box +/- numbers would be for only January or only post haircut, but I bet they're much better than whatever the season numbers are...though they're probably still not good. Anyway, the point is, of course his numbers say he's bad because his first couple months were ridiculously bad. And yes January isn't anything special, but it shows a significant improvement imo.

I think we pretty much agree then. January has been slightly better, but really just in the aspect of his shooting. everything else for the month has been the same or worse than the previous two crap months. I guess im just not as excited about it all as many are