The underlying problem with the Bulls is John Paxson and Gar Forman.

[Enasic]

Rondo has some nice things to his game for sure...but I still think that squad falls way short.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

The problem with GarPax?

Zero impact trades.

Only one major FA acquisition (Pau) that made the team better.

One Conference Final Appearance. One.

Zero NBA Final Appearances. Z-E-R-O. For a team as "dominant" as the Bulls are supposed to be, that is terrible. The word "overrated" comes to mind here.

 

[knoxville7]

Rondo has some nice things to his game for sure...but I still think that squad falls way short.

it very well might. but id say replacing rose with rondo and batum would be a significant upgrade

 

[Enasic]

I'd rather have Rose and Batum and we should have enough money for him when Pau and Jo walk. And we would still have that 1st rounder : )

 

[knoxville7]

I'd rather have Rose and Batum and we should have enough money for him when Pau and Jo walk. And we would still have that 1st rounder : )

haha I guess youre in Rami's camp of Rose still being a great player : )

 

[Enasic]

haha I guess youre in Rami's camp of Rose still being a great player : )

Not at all. However, over his last 10 games he's averaging 17 and 3 and shooting 47%

Eye popping? No.

But if he keeps it up, maybe even gets a little better, I would rather have that than Rondo. Moreso than that, I wouldn't give up a 1st just to get rid of him.

You could say, "Well, what if he gets hurt again?"

I would say, then you're stuck with him for one more year, and then you have 20 million more in cap space to work with. Hell, maybe you lure Westbrook here. Who knows? But when you already admit that Rondo and Batum isn't going to win you a championship, why make a move and lose a 1st rounder?

I don't know, I feel we're going in circles again. In regards to Rose, I think if he stays healthy (big if, I know), we should see 17-19 PPG on pretty good efficiency.

 

[knoxville7]

Not at all. However, over his last 10 games he's averaging 17 and 3 and shooting 47%

Eye popping? No.

But if he keeps it up, maybe even gets a little better, I would rather have that than Rondo. Moreso than that, I wouldn't give up a 1st just to get rid of him.

You could say, "Well, what if he gets hurt again?"

I would say, then you're stuck with him for one more year, and then you have 20 million more in cap space to work with. Hell, maybe you lure Westbrook here. Who knows? But when you already admit that Rondo and Batum isn't going to win you a championship, why make a move and lose a 1st rounder?

I don't know, I feel we're going in circles again. In regards to Rose, I think if he stays healthy (big if, I know), we should see 17-19 PPG on pretty good efficiency.

first I admit nothing : )

second, then so because you look on paper and say "nope, we aren't as good as GS" then that means we should do nothing to try and improve? I just cant accept that logic either. rose is never going to be a significant part of a championship team, so why keep him around another year just to save a draft pick in the mid 20's somewhere?

third, I don't see any way possible that rose will ever be a consistently efficient player, period. whether that's averaging 30, 20, 15, or 5 points per game. efficiency and derrick rose do not go in the same sentence

and P.S. - its not nice to knock my idea of stealing mike conley from Memphis or horford from ATL only to later bring up the possibility of getting westbrook as a pipe dream lol

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I'd run the **** after Batum and Horford.

 

[Enasic]

first I admit nothing : )

second, then so because you look on paper and say "nope, we aren't as good as GS" then that means we should do nothing to try and improve? I just cant accept that logic either. rose is never going to be a significant part of a championship team, so why keep him around another year just to save a draft pick in the mid 20's somewhere?

third, I don't see any way possible that rose will ever be a consistently efficient player, period. whether that's averaging 30, 20, 15, or 5 points per game. efficiency and derrick rose do not go in the same sentence

and P.S. - its not nice to knock my idea of stealing mike conley from Memphis or horford from ATL only to later bring up the possibility of getting westbrook as a pipe dream lol

That's not my logic. My logic is don't give up a 1st round pick when you could keep Rose AND the pick, and still have money for a Batum like signing. It's not like Rose is signed for 4 more years. There's one more year on his deal. I just don't think it's a very wise move long term. Like I said before, the only reason you do it is if you think Durant would come here. It just doesn't seem worth it just to get the Rondo's, Batum's (who we could get without the trade), or even Conley's of the world. Last time the Bulls cleared space it was for LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson's etc. There's really only one franchise player coming available this time around, and that's Durant. If fans want to hold out hope that he would come here, go ahead, but I don't think there's a chance he would. Especially if we just dumped Rose who he's friends with.

Keep Rose, hope to god he gives you consistent production, keep your 1st round pick, and at the very worst, you use the 20 million in cap space next season and sign a 2nd/3rd tier player this off-season.

 

[knoxville7]

again, the reasoning for doing it would be able to sell to the FA's that it wouldn't be just them coming, itd be them and another good player coming to play with butler. you could tell player A if he comes then so will player B. selling the idea of a "big 3" so to speak. rose you cant sell anyone on being that at this point but is taking up the salary of a player that is. this is literally the first time since the injuries started with rose that he has actually been maybe slightly possibly with a prayer in heaven been a tradeable asset and even still might not even be possible to trade, that's the only reason why we are down to the year and a half he has left on his deal

 

[Enasic]

again, the reasoning for doing it would be able to sell to the FA's that it wouldn't be just them coming, itd be them and another good player coming to play with butler. you could tell player A if he comes then so will player B. selling the idea of a "big 3" so to speak. rose you cant sell anyone on being that at this point but is taking up the salary of a player that is. this is literally the first time since the injuries started with rose that he has actually been maybe slightly possibly with a prayer in heaven been a tradeable asset and even still might not even be possible to trade, that's the only reason why we are down to the year and a half he has left on his deal

Conley and Durant would be pretty sexy.

Conley
Butler
Durant

Let's do it.

 

[Alpha Male]

Garpx has gotten 4 coaching hires. skiles, vdn, thibs, and hoiberg. I can understand 1 or 2 but 4 is too much. Most gms get ousted when the mess up the first hire.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

haha I guess youre in Rami's camp of Rose still being a great player : )

My only camp is the camp that believes Rose still can be a great player / isn't one of the worst players in the league this season like a few of the posters on this site have claimed.

This month, Rose has a 50% field goal percentage shooting two's and a 95% free throw percentage.

He's scoring 106 points / 100 possessions which is very efficient.

Only 3.4 assists and 3+ turnovers per game this month which is not quality at all. But the scoring efficiency has jumped way up.

 

[Diddy1122]

You guys can dream on with these Rose trade scenarios cuz they are never going to happen.

Pau needs to be traded. You can't simply let him walk without getting anything in return. The guy is 35 and is STILL one of the best bigs in the league with the ultimate discount contract. He has a lot of value. Him and Taj are the two players on the team with the most trade value. One of them should be moved at some point this season if GarPax really does have an eye toward the future.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

It'll be interesting to see what they do about the center position this upcoming offseason. It sounds like both Gasol and Noah are gone. Portis and Gibson aren't really centers. It'll be interesting to see if they go after somebody like Hassan Whiteside or Festus Ezeli in FA. I don't there aren't any centers that are projected at our pick that could make an impact right away. I do like Jonathan Jeanne as a draft and stash center though.

 

[knoxville7]

My only camp is the camp that believes Rose still can be a great player / isn't one of the worst players in the league this season like a few of the posters on this site have claimed.

This month, Rose has a 50% field goal percentage shooting two's and a 95% free throw percentage.

He's scoring 106 points / 100 possessions which is very efficient.

Only 3.4 assists and 3+ turnovers per game this month which is not quality at all. But the scoring efficiency has jumped way up.

so he has had a nice 21 days scoring the ball is what you are saying but is still a TO machine? when he puts up solid numbers consistently then ill be impressed. rose has still been one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA this season even with his "nice" month

 

[clonetrooper264]

so he has had a nice 21 days scoring the ball is what you are saying but is still a TO machine? when he puts up solid numbers consistently then ill be impressed. rose has still been one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA this season even with his "nice" month

Well yes because his first 2 months were utter garbage.

 

[knoxville7]

Well yes because his first 2 months were utter garbage.

ha well I just looked it up and the numbers Rami gave for rose in January simply are not true. scoot posted rose's numbers for the month of January elsewhere and his offensive rating is a 99 and his defensive rating a 111 and is only shooting 46% overall from the field. but I guess when youre still holding out hope for greatness from rose you make up numbers to help his case :shrug:

 

[clonetrooper264]

ha well I just looked it up and the numbers Rami gave for rose in January simply are not true. scoot posted rose's numbers for the month of January elsewhere and his offensive rating is a 99 and his defensive rating a 111 and is only shooting 46% overall from the field. but I guess when youre still holding out hope for greatness from rose you make up numbers to help his case :shrug:

Well I don't personally think offensive or defensive rating means a whole lot for anyone (see Carlos Boozer and his 95 defensive rating or whatever it was). Regardless, we are seeing an improved Rose and I think that's a good thing for the team regardless of what you think of him because realistically he's not going anywhere until his contract is up. I'll take 46% from the field compared to the 34% he was shooting before.

 

[knoxville7]

Well I don't personally think offensive or defensive rating means a whole lot for anyone (see Carlos Boozer and his 95 defensive rating or whatever it was). Regardless, we are seeing an improved Rose and I think that's a good thing for the team regardless of what you think of him because realistically he's not going anywhere until his contract is up. I'll take 46% from the field compared to the 34% he was shooting before.

for sure, not saying he hasn't played better of late. just saying he still isn't playing that great is all. improving upon crap is still crap most the time. the defensive rating I can understand, but offensive rating has shown to be a pretty good indicator and rose's is still muff cabbage. and I only mentioned the O and D ratings since it was brought up by someone else and they provided incorrect numbers