The underlying problem with the Bulls is John Paxson and Gar Forman.

[knoxville7]

At this point, I would only trade Gasol for a 1st round pick, even if were a future 1st. Or a player like Crowder who has all the things mentioned previously (age/contract/production/potential).

I'd be shopping Niko/Snell/picks for a young wing player on a good deal. Those players are hard to come by though.

that's kind of why I figure a trade of gasol might be required to make that happen. right now niko and snell have very low value in a trade. while I get why you are hesitant to trade him for anything less than a 1st rounder, holding onto him and getting nothing back isn't helping much either. who knows maybe Memphis can be talked into pau for green and a 1st rounder.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Pau for Green AND a 1st? Sign me up!

 

[knoxville7]

Pau for Green AND a 1st? Sign me up!

ha right? green has had a down year though so thatll bring his value down in a trade. the city of Memphis would party in the streets over acquiring pau though that's for sure

 

[nbafan23]

Well while GarPax has not won any titles you have to remember what they took over after the 99-04 debacle when the dynasty ended in 1998. They have drafted and developed young players well and have helped the Bulls maintain a good run of making the playoffs which is better then a run of making the draft lottery year in and year out.

 

[Diddy1122]

Gasol needs to be traded, period. He can get value in return, whether it's picks or an expiring contract. I wouldn't care if it was a 1st, multiple 2nds, or a player. Simply put, he's a great player but a terrible fit for the system now in place. He came here to help the team win a championship, which at this point is fairly obvious is not going to happen this year. Portis is the future and needs as much time on the floor as he can get right now to accelerate his development.

If Gasol is still on the roster after the trade deadline, I will be shocked. What is the point of having a player like Gasol on the team, when he 1) doesn't fit Hoiberg's system, 2) is not going to help us win a championship this year, & 3) can opt out and walk away at the end of the season? We cannot get caught in another Korver/Asik fiasco like 2012. If Gasol ends the year with the Bulls, that will be a BAD MOVE by GarPax, no questions asked.

 

[knoxville7]

Gasol needs to be traded, period. He can get value in return, whether it's picks or an expiring contract. I wouldn't care if it was a 1st, multiple 2nds, or a player. Simply put, he's a great player but a terrible fit for the system now in place. He came here to help the team win a championship, which at this point is fairly obvious is not going to happen this year. Portis is the future and needs as much time on the floor as he can get right now to accelerate his development.

If Gasol is still on the roster after the trade deadline, I will be shocked. What is the point of having a player like Gasol on the team, when he 1) doesn't fit Hoiberg's system, 2) is not going to help us win a championship this year, & 3) can opt out and walk away at the end of the season? We cannot get caught in another Korver/Asik fiasco like 2012. If Gasol ends the year with the Bulls, that will be a BAD MOVE by GarPax, no questions asked.

yep. I think the concept of trading gasol might be the only universally agreed upon thing on this forum lol

 

[Enasic]

I mean, I have no problems with letting Pau walk this summer and using the money on someone like Nic Batum or a number of other players. If we don't get back an above average starting wing player or picks, I don't see the point in trading him. His expiring may end up being worth more than anything we're being offered right now. Ideally, we get back a 1st round pick and an expiring deal. Or I would trade him straight up for Crowder if Boston were interested.

 

[knoxville7]

I mean, I have no problems with letting Pau walk this summer and using the money on someone like Nic Batum or a number of other players. If we don't get back an above average starting wing player or picks, I don't see the point in trading him. His expiring may end up being worth more than anything we're being offered right now. Ideally, we get back a 1st round pick and an expiring deal. Or I would trade him straight up for Crowder if Boston were interested.

right, but youd be on your phone checking around on Pau is the point I think everyone is at

 

[Enasic]

right, but youd be on your phone checking around on Pau is the point I think everyone is at

For sure.

Anybody down with Pau, Niko, and a 2017 1st for Crowder and Olynyk?

I would do it.

 

[knoxville7]

For sure.

Anybody down with Pau, Niko, and a 2017 1st for Crowder and Olynyk?

I would do it.

maybe just straight up, but i don't like giving up a 1st round pick in that scenario

how about derrick rose and a 1st rounder to new Orleans for eric gordons expiring contract?

 

[Axl Rose]

i say trade Niko for Noel

Noel+Portis-Jimmy damn damn damn thats potentially a nice frontline

 

[knoxville7]

i say trade Niko for Noel

Noel+Portis-Jimmy damn damn damn thats potentially a nice front line

not a bad idea if philly would do that trade. doesn't solve our wing player issue but i do like that frontline

 

[Enasic]

maybe just straight up, but i don't like giving up a 1st round pick in that scenario

how about derrick rose and a 1st rounder to new Orleans for eric gordons expiring contract?

I would rather keep Derrick. He's starting to come along and it would suck if we traded him and he started to play even better. Too big of a risk, IMO. We waited this long, what's one more season before he expires?

In regards to the Boston scenario, I don't like giving up picks either but like I said before, Crowder's contract is already a bargain. When the cap spikes, guys of his age/production/potential are likely going to command 12+ mil a season. More than likely, over 14 million. It's going to get ridiculous. I think we would need to give them that extra incentive to trade him. Gasol is 35 and doesn't figure in their long term plans. He's there to just give them a playoff push this season. Niko and Snell really aren't anything to write home about and Olynyk, while in the same boat, is a solid young player. I don't think there's any way they would do it without a pick and I'm not sure if they would have any interest anyways.

 

[knoxville7]

I would rather keep Derrick. He's starting to come along and it would suck if we traded him and he started to play even better. Too big of a risk, IMO. We waited this long, what's one more season before he expires?

In regards to the Boston scenario, I don't like giving up picks either but like I said before, Crowder's contract is already a bargain. When the cap spikes, guys of his age/production/potential are likely going to command 12+ mil a season. More than likely, over 14 million. It's going to get ridiculous. I think we would need to give them that extra incentive to trade him. Gasol is 35 and doesn't figure in their long term plans. He's there to just give them a playoff push this season. Niko and Snell really aren't anything to write home about and Olynyk, while in the same boat, is a solid young player. I don't think there's any way they would do it without a pick and I'm not sure if they would have any interest anyways.

i would be ecstatic if NO would take the rose deal. even if he plays well consistently he isn't worth 20mil per year. i would rather free that $$ up now to make a move this offseason for someone who is worth the $$. if the bulls could get free of his contract along with Gibson and nikos, they would have somewhere in the neighborhood of 40+ mil in cap space this coming offseason(assuming they took back expiring contracts in those deals). that's enough to go out and sign 2 max level players to go along with jimmy, McD, and portis

 

[clonetrooper264]

maybe just straight up, but i don't like giving up a 1st round pick in that scenario

how about derrick rose and a 1st rounder to new Orleans for eric gordons expiring contract?

Doesn't really make sense for NO imo. They already have Holiday and Evans as PGs. Gordon gives them a shooter in that starting group which gets nixed with Rose in the mix. I still think Rose is untradeable in the sense that no one will trade for him. He's been playing much better lately (18ppg on 47% shooting in January or something), but I doubt any team is willing to pull the trigger on that risk.

 

[Axl Rose]

i don't think NO would do that deal

 

[knoxville7]

Doesn't really make sense for NO imo. They already have Holiday and Evans as PGs. Gordon gives them a shooter in that starting group which gets nixed with Rose in the mix. I still think Rose is untradeable in the sense that no one will trade for him. He's been playing much better lately (18ppg on 47% shooting in January or something), but I doubt any team is willing to pull the trigger on that risk.

im with you on that, but if youre the bulls you happily throw in the 1st round pick to make it happen if NO has any interest at all

 

[clonetrooper264]

im with you on that, but if youre the bulls you happily throw in the 1st round pick to make it happen if NO has any interest at all

Seems like a desperate salary dump move to me...pretty sure there are very few teams that would be willing to do that type of thing. Except maybe the Sixers or Nets lol. Sixers would probably take a 2nd rounder in 4 years.

 

[knoxville7]

Seems like a desperate salary dump move to me...pretty sure there are very few teams that would be willing to do that type of thing. Except maybe the Sixers or Nets lol. Sixers would probably take a 2nd rounder in 4 years.

not sure i follow you on that one...how is it a salary dump on NO part? they would be acquiring a guy making 20mil next year

 

[clonetrooper264]

not sure i follow you on that one...how is it a salary dump on NO part? they would be acquiring a guy making 20mil next year

Dump for the Bulls. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Dumping a 20+ million multiyear contract on another team is a hard sell unless that player you're dumping is a player someone thinks will take their team over the top. I'm having a hard time remember recent salary dumps and what the dumping team took back in return so maybe I'm not thinking about this entirely correctly.