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[jsain360]

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The over the top love fest for Ben Gordon needs to be put to rest, he is a Piston, and is dead to me, I will no longer talk about him, we should all do the same, Mike, Scottie, Horace, etc they were all dead to me when they played for other teams

 

[houheffna]

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He's the best Bull since MJ. In terms of production, efficiency, and winning, it's no contest.

We will disagree then, Brand put up 2 allstar seasons his 2 years here and was a better player than Gordon...point blank. I would take I have a hard time crowning any decent at best players the best anything since MJ but if I had to, Brand would get the nod. Best all around player the team has had since 1998, and would never had to sub him out at the end of games...no brainer.

 

[Kush77]

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jsain360 wrote:

The over the top love fest for Ben Gordon needs to be put to rest, he is a Piston, and is dead to me, I will no longer talk about him, we should all do the same, Mike, Scottie, Horace, etc they were all dead to me when they played for other teams

I agree to a certain extent. But all the situations are different.

Horace Grant was the worst. Lobbying to play for the Magic when the Bulls are trying to lock down a #1 seed in 1994. Now I hate Bulls' management but Horace was an ass for doing that. When he went to the Magic I wanted him to fall on his face.

Gordon, the Bulls flat refused to pay him. Didn't do the classless thing Grant did but he is on one of my most hated teams now so I won't be rooting for him to win. i think it was a case of us being curious about his first game.

As for MJ and Scottie, not dead to me in any way shape or form. Them leaving the Bulls was the fault of the ego maniac Jerrys. I rooted for Scottie in Houston and Portland. And got League pass for the first time (for two straight years) just to watch MJ. Jordan and Pippen didn't want it to end in 1998 but Jerry Krause was so desperate to build that post-Jordan title team.

So I agree with you but the situations were different with those 4 players.

 

[Kush77]

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houheffna wrote:

He's the best Bull since MJ. In terms of production, efficiency, and winning, it's no contest.

We will disagree then, Brand put up 2 allstar seasons his 2 years here and was a better player than Gordon...point blank. I would take I have a hard time crowning any decent at best players the best anything since MJ but if I had to, Brand would get the nod. Best all around player the team has had since 1998, and would never had to sub him out at the end of games...no brainer.

I'll take Gordon's 5 years compared to Elton Brand's 2. Gordon won more but had better teams. What do you mean sub out at the end of games? You mean subbing gordon for offensive/defense switches?

Gordon is the best Bull since MJ. Brand was here for only two years and it was two very forgettable years. Not his fault but it was what is was.

On a side note, Elton Brand is one of the best people I've every come across in sports. A 100% class act and it's a shame that he's only had that one playoff run with the Clipps a few years ago.

 

[houheffna]

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I have not had the privilege of meeting him but I have heard that before...I will take a 20-10 pf over a specialist sg any day of the week....

 

[Kush77]

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houheffna wrote:

I have not had the privilege of meeting him but I have heard that before...I will take a 20-10 pf over a specialist sg any day of the week....

So would I. But I would take 5 years of a guy who lead my team in scoring 4 of those years, and hit all my big shots over a 20-10 guy for just 2 years.

 

[Shakes]

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??? ?????? wrote:

I personally hope both Ben Gordon and the Bulls both succeed.

He plays for a team that will be in the race with us for a playoff spot. I think the only thing you can hope for that is consistent with wanting the Bulls to succeed is to hope he sucks.

 

[Frank Breakfast Styleham]

Yeah, that guy she (the Bulls) dumped was just elected Prom King out there in Detroit.

We may as well get used to updates such as this all year!

Let's keep ridin' the BG Train! All the way to the MVP baby.

 

[houheffna]

I would think Bulls fans will have better things to do than go on a Gordon watch for a whole season, that would be senseless.

 

[??? ??????]

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Shakes wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

I personally hope both Ben Gordon and the Bulls both succeed.

He plays for a team that will be in the race with us for a playoff spot. I think the only thing you can hope for that is consistent with wanting the Bulls to succeed is to hope he sucks.

So if the Pistons suck really bad, and we suck less, than that's good?

How about Ben Gordon is really good, and makes his team good, and the Bulls step up their game, and be even better than them?

 

[Shakes]

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??? ?????? wrote:

Shakes wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

I personally hope both Ben Gordon and the Bulls both succeed.

He plays for a team that will be in the race with us for a playoff spot. I think the only thing you can hope for that is consistent with wanting the Bulls to succeed is to hope he sucks.

So if the Pistons suck really bad, and we suck less, than that's good?

How about Ben Gordon is really good, and makes his team good, and the Bulls step up their game, and be even better than them?

In both of those scenarios how good the Pistons are doesn't matter. In the alternative (and in my opinion more likely) scenario - that the Bulls are neither really good nor really bad - then how good the Pistons are does matter. So yes, I am hoping that BG shoots about 10% and has 5 turnovers a game, just like I hope the rest of the Pistons do. He's just a guy who used to play for the Bulls, I don't want Curry, or Chandler, or Brand, or Thabo to do well this year or any year they're not on the Bulls either. I want every other team to stink.

After all, if the Bulls won the title shooting 30% because the rest of the league shot 20% I'll take it!

 

[TheStig]

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BG with 25,7,4, a block and a steal. Completely one dimensional scorer.

 

[engies]

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houheffna wrote:

I can't help but to think some of you would rather BG succeed and the Bulls fail. I find that sad.

I always want the Bulls to win, but I hope Ben does well, just not win against us. But I just hope tonights game isnt a preview of things to come, because then the people who were against Ben Gordon and saying the "4 inches" would matter on defense have alot of explaining to do

 

[TheStig]

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houheffna wrote:

I can't help but to think some of you would rather BG succeed and the Bulls fail. I find that sad.

Your right, thats why we are part of a bulls forum. Clearly BG is #1 in our book above the team. Questioning loyalties is a very undermining way to attempt to change the subject.

 

[??? ??????]

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TheStig wrote:

BG with 25,7,4, a block and a steal. Completely one dimensional scorer.

I know a lot of us with league pass are probably watching the Pistons, so I think a lot of us are seeing this, and that is that John Keuster is a hell of a coach.

He just let Ben be Ben tonight, especially in the fourth. The Pistons have to have the best backcourt in the NBA. Stuckey, Gordon, and Bynum were scoring pretty well tonight, and it gets even sicker when Hamilton is healthy.

Keuster also has Ben Wallace playing at a great level. 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 2 blocks tonight for Wallace. He looked like the Wallace of old out there.

The Pistons won't be too much of a threat though. I think they will definitely make the playoffs, and probably either in the fourth or fifth seed. But their big men just can't score. Kind of like the Bulls last year for the first half of the season, only Ben Wallace gives the Pistons a much better defense than the Bulls had last year.

 

[houheffna]

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Your right, thats why we are part of a bulls forum. Clearly BG is #1 in our book above the team. Questioning loyalties is a very undermining way to attempt to change the subject.

I don't have to undermine anybody doing anything. If the shoe fits wear it. It is usually the offended party who crows the loudest and makes condescending rebuttals such as this.
When people sing the praises of BG for playing well against two bad teams, (losing to one) but doesn't give the Bulls credit for beating a legit contender...yeah, I am going to question loyalty in that situation. I hear certain radio guys say often that of all the teams in Chicago, the Bulls have the dumbest fans...I hope this stuff doesn't prove them right.

When people say the Pistons suddenly have the best backcourt in the NBA when there are a couple of guards better than both of those players combined is going overboard...

Maybe Gordon cracks the top 10 sgs but I still think Hamilton is better. Time will tell...

I don't wish Gordon any ill, I already believe he has reached his peak form anyway...I just wish people would take time to notice the players we do have and not the players we don't, because we have lost no one that got us any closer to a championship. I didn't hear this much crap over Horace Grant 15 years ago, and he was very critical to that team and that team's championship success. People should just learn from the past...and let this stuff go...

 

[Shakes]

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??? ?????? wrote:

Keuster also has Ben Wallace playing at a great level. 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 2 blocks tonight for Wallace. He looked like the Wallace of old out there.

Ben Wallace would occasionally have an effort game when he was with the Bulls & Cavs too. I'm not willing to say he's back to anything until he can sustain it.

 

[TheStig]

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houheffna wrote:

Your right, thats why we are part of a bulls forum. Clearly BG is #1 in our book above the team. Questioning loyalties is a very undermining way to attempt to change the subject.

I don't have to undermine anybody doing anything. If the shoe fits wear it. It is usually the offended party who crows the loudest and makes condescending rebuttals such as this.
When people sing the praises of BG for playing well against two bad teams, (losing to one) but doesn't give the Bulls credit for beating a legit contender...yeah, I am going to question loyalty in that situation. I hear certain radio guys say often that of all the teams in Chicago, the Bulls have the dumbest fans...I hope this stuff doesn't prove them right.

When people say the Pistons suddenly have the best backcourt in the NBA when there are a couple of guards better than both of those players combined is going overboard...

Maybe Gordon cracks the top 10 sgs but I still think Hamilton is better. Time will tell...

I don't wish Gordon any ill, I already believe he has reached his peak form anyway...I just wish people would take time to notice the players we do have and not the players we don't, because we have lost no one that got us any closer to a championship. I didn't hear this much crap over Horace Grant 15 years ago, and he was very critical to that team and that team's championship success. People should just learn from the past...and let this stuff go...

Well I am beginning to understand a lot about your rationale. So I understand now, I am supposed to be insulted for liking a former bulls player, have my loyalties questioned and just go along with condescending and insulting insinuations about myself because if I question them or get insulted by them I am more guilty. Got it. I hope you never get sued for slander because your explanation would seal the suit. Beside that being completely backwards, it is also untrue. I don't belong to a BG forum but I do belong to a couple of bulls fourms. If discussing a former bulls player on a bulls forum is wrong, you should have avoid realgm. They always have a former bull tracking thread specifically because it is bulls related.

People aren't praising BG for having a good game and the bulls a bad one. BG had two good games. Meanwhile, the bulls did get lucky that a top 5 team in the league only had one player shot well. The rest of the team couldn't hit the broadside of the barn. Thats lucky that happened. Yes they worked hard, hustled and played their game but that didn't shut down the spurs, they were missing open shots. If they hit a reasonable fg% they would have won.

BG was already a top 10 sg and perhaps it will convince you furter when they trade rip to start BG but again time will tell.

We got the greatest rebounder in NBA history to replace Horace Grant. When we get the greatest scorer of all time to replace BG, I will stop complaining. That is pretty much the line of thinking you are pushing. Grant was good but Rodman was elite. Regardless of this whole argument, my main issue is with deciding to keep inferior players in Kirk or Deng over him. Grant wasn't our best player on that team. MJ and Pip were clearly better. BG was our best player last year.

 

[TheStig]

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Shakes wrote:

??? ?????? wrote:

Keuster also has Ben Wallace playing at a great level. 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 2 blocks tonight for Wallace. He looked like the Wallace of old out there.

Ben Wallace would occasionally have an effort game when he was with the Bulls & Cavs too. I'm not willing to say he's back to anything until he can sustain it.

It is kinda sad we traded Wallace and couldn't have just played him in his role. I mean having a 15-25mpg Wallace is better than Hughes. He looked decent after the deal when he played appropriate minutes. Hughes was just terrible.

 

[houheffna]

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Okay,lets say BG was the best player...the team was bad, and only made the playoffs because the conference sucks...and he is NOT top 10 at his position so why wouldn't he be expendable?

The question is who is the most important player on the team...it is not and never was BG. So later for him...

It is kinda sad we traded Wallace and couldn't have just played him in his role. I mean having a 15-25mpg Wallace is better than Hughes. He looked decent after the deal when he played appropriate minutes. Hughes was just terrible.

They traded Wallace because he was cancerous to the team and one of the principal reasons Skiles was fired...not for any other reason.

We got the greatest rebounder in NBA history to replace Horace Grant. When we get the greatest scorer of all time to replace BG, I will stop complaining. That is pretty much the line of thinking you are pushing. Grant was good but Rodman was elite. Regardless of this whole argument, my main issue is with deciding to keep inferior players in Kirk or Deng over him. Grant wasn't our best player on that team. MJ and Pip were clearly better. BG was our best player last year.

Horace left in 94, getting Rodman was not by design...like this BG situation is. You really think Horace was let go because Krause wanted Rodman? So Gordon is to the Bulls in 09 what Jordan was to the Bulls in.....no! That sentence shouldn't even be finished.
Grant was a role player, and an allstar, all league defender. You put unreasonable explanations out there that are senseless to justify the complaints you make...we have to get the greatest scorer of all time in order to justify losing a lets say good player...makes no sense, they justify it by getting a better player for their team and their system, that is all of the justification they need. Again, if they get Johnson from ATL, that is justification enough, let alone Dwayne Wade...the decision is made, the Bulls have their eye on others, and they are taking the risk, which I believe is worth it. If the boy from Miami can double the production of BG and he comes here, they will be geniuses. If they strike out...they strike out. The ONLY complaint I have over letting anybody go except Rose is letting them go for nothing. They should trade asset for asset if possible, other than that, BG, Deng, Hinrich...they can all hit the road.