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Would that be bad?

He’s a failure as a head coach but as an OC he’s very good and you wouldn’t have to worry about him being poached every year.

Vrabel and McDaniels intrigues me

Yeah I mean Belichick/Vrabel + McDaniels would have me ecstatic. On top of that Brady seems to be a mentor to Caleb I mean this would be the most accomplished coaches we have ever had. I don’t see how anyone would not be over the moon excited with that combo.
 

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where did i bring up calling plays as a prerequisite to be a HC??

Your resposne started with "and he is still mediocre at best." So that suggests you are continuing my sentence so it would read

"What is funny is Taylor had no play calling experience in the NFL before the Bengals job and he is mediocre at best?"

So in response I gave an example of a coach who isn't mediocre ie Reid as you seemed to be tying his mediocrity to my statement that he had no playcalling experience.
 

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One benefit the schedule provides is the fact we hadnt played the division yet. So Brown will see 3 teams a 2nd time and will be interesting to see how Brown adjusts to those teams maybe figuring out his tendencies from the 1st game they played and film review.
 

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I think Thomas Brown is in the same tier2 as Coen Glenn, and Brady. He is only in this tier for the Bears and not other teams because he has 8 games of solid work (if it goes south he wouldn’t be considered) with Caleb already. Combine that with at least what appears to be natural leadership/alpha qualities I would not hate this hire considering this scenario.

The top tier are Johnson, Vrabel, and Belichick in my opinion. The #1 guy to me is Johnson, he is why the Lions are so good, not the screaming meatball.
You’re giving way too much credit to Johnson. I don’t understand why people are so sold on an unproven HC. He’s the benefactor of an offense that’s LOADED with talent at every position along with the best offensive line in football.
 

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You’re giving way too much credit to Johnson. I don’t understand why people are so sold on an unproven HC. He’s the benefactor of an offense that’s LOADED with talent at every position along with the best offensive line in football.

It’s his versatility with the way he calls games and the consistency of his success. Lots of NFL teams are loaded with talent, not many coaches know how to use that talent in the specific way that exposes the opponent as consistently as he does.

Now he could be a flop like any first time coach but I would be shocked if that happened.
 

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and hes still mediocre at best. imagine if he didnt have generational joe burrow and jamar chase there? how bad would they be then?
Yeah I don’t want Taylor at all. And Bill will be in perpetual personnel battles with the front office. Bill can still coach; he’s just awful with personnel decisions now.
 

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It’s his versatility with the way he calls games and the consistency of his success. Lots of NFL teams are loaded with talent, not many coaches know how to use that talent in the specific way that exposes the opponent as consistently as he does.

Now he could be a flop like any first time coach but I would be shocked if that happened.
Which teams have comparable offensive talent?
 

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Who else thinks they'll promote Brown to HC and promote Chris Morgan to OC. That sounds like the Bears doesn't it?
 

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Listening to the 85 podcast with Kmet and I just heard yet another pretty damning inadvertent statement about Waldron.

Hoge asked Kmet if Brown is bringing in new plays, new flavor to the offense or is he using plays that have been in the playbook and just not used. Kmet talked about how it is some new, but made a point to highlight that Brown has included the other coaches on offense and it has been collaborative and neat to see. Wow. Just..wow. The implications of that is that Waldron was not particularly collaborative or involving the other coaches on offense.

I think that also goes with a report a while back now that Waldron did not really have a team meeting for the entire offense. They just had position group meetings, but he did not bring them altogether as a group.

Man, the more you hear about Waldron, the more messed up it gets.
 

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Listening to the 85 podcast with Kmet and I just heard yet another pretty damning inadvertent statement about Waldron.

Hoge asked Kmet if Brown is bringing in new plays, new flavor to the offense or is he using plays that have been in the playbook and just not used. Kmet talked about how it is some new, but made a point to highlight that Brown has included the other coaches on offense and it has been collaborative and neat to see. Wow. Just..wow. The implications of that is that Waldron was not particularly collaborative or involving the other coaches on offense.

I think that also goes with a report a while back now that Waldron did not really have a team meeting for the entire offense. They just had position group meetings, but he did not bring them altogether as a group.

Man, the more you hear about Waldron, the more messed up it gets.
Everett is rarely utilized anymore, remember how much he liked to use him?
 

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You’re giving way too much credit to Johnson. I don’t understand why people are so sold on an unproven HC. He’s the benefactor of an offense that’s LOADED with talent at every position along with the best offensive line in football.
While I’ve been with you, especially last year, his dominance this year says something. As for the offense, it can be a bit of the chicken of the egg kinda deal. Goff has made some major improvements and ASB was far from a sure thing.

That said, it’s far from a guarantee that means he’ll be a great HC… regardless how responsible he is for the offensive success.
 

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Your resposne started with "and he is still mediocre at best." So that suggests you are continuing my sentence so it would read

"What is funny is Taylor had no play calling experience in the NFL before the Bengals job and he is mediocre at best?"

So in response I gave an example of a coach who isn't mediocre ie Reid as you seemed to be tying his mediocrity to my statement that he had no playcalling experience.
Well, you’re wrong. I was describing his abilities as a HC overall. But hey, thanks for playing
 

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One benefit the schedule provides is the fact we hadnt played the division yet. So Brown will see 3 teams a 2nd time and will be interesting to see how Brown adjusts to those teams maybe figuring out his tendencies from the 1st game they played and film review.
This is definitely key. Flores/Brown 2.0 will be a great test.
 

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Listening to the 85 podcast with Kmet and I just heard yet another pretty damning inadvertent statement about Waldron.

Hoge asked Kmet if Brown is bringing in new plays, new flavor to the offense or is he using plays that have been in the playbook and just not used. Kmet talked about how it is some new, but made a point to highlight that Brown has included the other coaches on offense and it has been collaborative and neat to see. Wow. Just..wow. The implications of that is that Waldron was not particularly collaborative or involving the other coaches on offense.

I think that also goes with a report a while back now that Waldron did not really have a team meeting for the entire offense. They just had position group meetings, but he did not bring them altogether as a group.

Man, the more you hear about Waldron, the more messed up it gets.

So, its interesting - Kmet says Brown is bringing in a couple new things, but Caleb insisted its still the same playbook.


When you watch the games - it looks like it is indeed still Waldron's playbook, but Brown just basically threw out everything that didn't work, and focused on execution and getting everyone on the same page.

As much as I want to toss bouquets his way, it would be sooo meatball Bears fan to celebrate.....competence....


Because thus far, that's all Brown has done. He's competent. He isn't reinventing anything. And the Bears are still limited.

I'll give you a case in point - DJ Moore is still being terribly misused. Now, they found him a nifty play where he run's underneath on a type of screen and gets a good chunk of yards, but they already ran this play 5-7 times over the past 2 weeks, and it seems the only play where DJ is really involved. Because they are running that play so frequently, eventually DCs will begin to sniff it out and shut it down. And when they do, there goes Moore's involvement in the offense.

Brown isn't (yet) doing anything creative with the offense. He's just applying common sense and standards.


So, I really am not keen on keeping him as a HC or OC. The one thing I like about him is his rapport with Caleb. Coaching him not to be afraid to make a mistake and telling him in the 4th quarter to "go be Superman".

That to me sounds like he'd be a keeper as a QB coach for Caleb, if Brown is willing to stick around in that capacity, and the new coach doesn't mind keeping him - in that capacity, I'd give Brown 1-2 more years before he's OC again, because if they get the HC hire right, the OC will likely be moving on quickly and then you know Brown will do a good job calling whatever the new offense is in a pinch.
 

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So, its interesting - Kmet says Brown is bringing in a couple new things, but Caleb insisted its still the same playbook.


When you watch the games - it looks like it is indeed still Waldron's playbook, but Brown just basically threw out everything that didn't work, and focused on execution and getting everyone on the same page.

As much as I want to toss bouquets his way, it would be sooo meatball Bears fan to celebrate.....competence....


Because thus far, that's all Brown has done. He's competent. He isn't reinventing anything. And the Bears are still limited.

I'll give you a case in point - DJ Moore is still being terribly misused. Now, they found him a nifty play where he run's underneath on a type of screen and gets a good chunk of yards, but they already ran this play 5-7 times over the past 2 weeks, and it seems the only play where DJ is really involved. Because they are running that play so frequently, eventually DCs will begin to sniff it out and shut it down. And when they do, there goes Moore's involvement in the offense.

Brown isn't (yet) doing anything creative with the offense. He's just applying common sense and standards.


So, I really am not keen on keeping him as a HC or OC. The one thing I like about him is his rapport with Caleb. Coaching him not to be afraid to make a mistake and telling him in the 4th quarter to "go be Superman".

That to me sounds like he'd be a keeper as a QB coach for Caleb, if Brown is willing to stick around in that capacity, and the new coach doesn't mind keeping him - in that capacity, I'd give Brown 1-2 more years before he's OC again, because if they get the HC hire right, the OC will likely be moving on quickly and then you know Brown will do a good job calling whatever the new offense is in a pinch.

Sorry if I led astray. Kmet did not say Thomas was making any sort of wholesale changes. He said there were a few new wrinkles, but it was more of an emphasis on things already in the playbook. He talked about how there was too much time on task to start over with a new playbook mid season - and he noted that would not serve Caleb well either.

The collaboration bit was more about open communication and making sure that guys were being put in spots they were comfortable and putting them in position to succeed.
 

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I would also add that it's really weird to suggest that DJ Moore is still being misused when all the actual football people are saying the exact opposite. And when DJ just had improved production these past 2 weeks.

Getting the ball to Moore with space for him to do his thing is one of the better ways to use him.
 

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Listening to the 85 podcast with Kmet and I just heard yet another pretty damning inadvertent statement about Waldron.

Hoge asked Kmet if Brown is bringing in new plays, new flavor to the offense or is he using plays that have been in the playbook and just not used. Kmet talked about how it is some new, but made a point to highlight that Brown has included the other coaches on offense and it has been collaborative and neat to see. Wow. Just..wow. The implications of that is that Waldron was not particularly collaborative or involving the other coaches on offense.

I think that also goes with a report a while back now that Waldron did not really have a team meeting for the entire offense. They just had position group meetings, but he did not bring them altogether as a group.

Man, the more you hear about Waldron, the more messed up it gets.
CW said he never even talked to TB until after Waldron was fired. WTF.
 

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And BTW all of this rest at the feet of our goofy ass gap toothed head coach.
 

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CW said he never even talked to TB until after Waldron was fired. WTF.

I hadn't seen that. Again, wow and yeah WTF. So, the guy that was your "passing game coordinator" never really talked to the QB. What the hell were they doing in that building?

I vaguely recall now mention that Waldron was one of the few of the OC candidates that was willing to roll with either Fields or a new QB (Williams). Most of the rest were mainly wanting to work with the shiny new QB (Williams). If that ended up being a large deciding factor in the OC decision, then my god. How out of touch with reality can you be?
 

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