Thoughts on Sam Darnold?

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Darnold has shown little in the way of success and has backslid statistically in his career, so yes lets invest time and draft capital in him.....but hey one can always hope....

That's what I mean by why do Bears fans do this to themselves....

I'd rather just trade up and draft a QB this year, but only if you can't steal a proven starter from another team.

The time investment is worse if you trade for Darnold only because we've seen his limitations in the NFL.

Why are people assuming Nagy will be able to turn Darnold into a top half starter when his offense couldn't even get baseline levels out of Nick Foles?

We have seen his limitations? You could literally pull Darnold's name out and put in Tannehill a few years ago and be proven wrong today.

You don't know anymore about things than the rest of us.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

 

[Rise]

Sam Darnold most likely is a bust. His only chance is to be rebuilt and for an organization to fit a perfect scheme which brings out the best in him. Do you really trust the Chicago Bears to do this? No thanks to Darnold better off getting a rookie and hoping he is a franchise QB.

 

[sevvy]

If Andy Reid is your coach, maybe you take a chance on Darnold if you don't have better options.

But our coach isn't Andy Reid, he's one of Andy Reid's wet shits. And who has faith in him to turn someone like Darnold around? I sure as fuck don't.

The only way this team succeeds with Nagy, is if we get Watson or Wilson.

 

[modo]

We have seen his limitations? You could literally pull Darnold's name out and put in Tannehill a few years ago and be proven wrong today.

You don't know anymore about things than the rest of us.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

Tannehill made steady improvement over his first three years as a pro.

He averaged 250 yards a game by his third year with a 66% completion percentage. His team had a .500 record so he was playing competitive games.

Darnold looks lost in his third year. He regressed in almost every category.

Maybe a change of scenery will help him. But he is a shadow of what Tannehill did year three.

They are not the same player.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I personally think Bears fans are idiots who are in love with bad and broken quarterbacks.

You guys look at a single wow throw in a season of bad.

I'm looking at whether a quarterback can read a damn defense and beat the blitz.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Maybe a change of scenery will help him.

Like maybe his struggles are not unfixable? As Tannehill's were?

Isn't that exactly what you are mysteriously criticizing people for saying?

And at a LOT cheaper than Watson allowing for more help for the QB?

Why did you come at them like they are ridiculous when you basically admitted it is possible to get him playing better?

Stats lol. You cannot project stats from the previous year to reliably predict a turnaround. Doesn't work like that.

If that was always likely true enough to make decisions and have it pan out for you, being a GM would be easy as hell.

Madden easy.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

If that was always likely true enough to make decisions and have it pan out for you, being a GM would be easy as hell.

^^As easy as being an NFL analyst actually

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Sam Darnold most likely is a bust. His only chance is to be rebuilt and for an organization to fit a perfect scheme which brings out the best in him. Do you really trust the Chicago Bears to do this? No thanks to Darnold better off getting a rookie and hoping he is a franchise QB.

Kid has great arm talent no doubt and I am rooting for him to get to the right spot for him to break out - even if in a couple years.

And YES for sure: Nagy cannot build ANY QB at all. We can only hope he doesn't fuck up a big talent QB either.

If we had a real NFL offensive genius we could afford to revive Darnold (if he sees Sam still has it) and save resources to get better in other key areas as well.

The Bears feel they need to break bank to hope that Watson or Wilson outplays Nagy's dumbassery and some of us call bullshit on that being the right move.

Myself - I see it as damned if they do and damned if they don't.

But it is not ridiculous to hope they make a more conservative move and make Nagy try to coach UP a QB that still has it proving once and for all

1) he is fireable

2) the next GM and HC are not hamstrung by empty draftboards for the next few years

 

[greg23]

If he's the acquisition then he better have come after other better options didnt pan out and also come cheap......and there better be a plan b (like a draft pick or another fa)

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

If he's the acquisition then he better have come after other better options didnt pan out and also come cheap......and there better be a plan b (like a draft pick or another fa)

Yes, or a bon fide offensive genius that whispered behind closed doors that he can come in and make him Kurt Warner after Black Monday end of this season.

 

[modo]

Like maybe his struggles are not unfixable? As Tannehill's were?

Isn't that exactly what you are mysteriously criticizing people for saying?

And at a LOT cheaper than Watson allowing for more help for the QB?

Why did you come at them like they are ridiculous when you basically admitted it is possible to get him playing better?

Stats lol. You cannot project stats from the previous year to reliably predict a turnaround. Doesn't work like that.

If that was always likely true enough to make decisions and have it pan out for you, being a GM would be easy as hell.

Madden easy.

You keep drawing a comparison to Tannehill.....I have already shown you Tannehill was much better than Darnold in year 3 than in Darnold is.....by a lot....

I don't see what parallel you are trying to make between Darnold and Tannehill.

Tannehill in year three is way better than Darnold was in year three.

No I don't think Darnold is going to make it.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

You keep drawing a comparison to Tannehill.....I have already shown you Tannehill was much better than Darnold in year 3 than in Darnold is.....by a lot....

I don't see what parallel you are trying to make between Darnold and Tannehill.

Tannehill in year three is way better than Darnold was in year three.

No I don't think Darnold is going to make it.

What?

You usually post better than this. I could draw a comparison to any QB that succeeded after leaving the team that initially drafted him. I picked Tannehill because he is the latest.

You are the one unduly fixated on the stat comparisons - not me.

My point is simply seemingly bad QBs can flourish after leaving their first NFL franchise

and that STATS DO NOT predict whether this will happen.

Not only are you doubling down on the logical fallacy of projecting future success based on past statistics, you are also sidestepping the fact that you mocked fans who had a case to make for Darnold and then admitted YOUR OWN SELF he may do better with a change of scenery which was the basis for their case in the first place.

Whether you believe Darnold is going to make it was never the discussion here; you didn't even treat it as a serious stance to be discussed originally.

The discussion is why you were condescending to your fellow CCS Bears fans who wonder if Darnold and a full draft cupboard might be a better option for the next GM and HC?

I get you don't agree. That's fair game for discussion, but not fair to dismiss their views as ridiculous out of hand.

 

[modo]

What?

You usually post better than this. I could draw a comparison to any QB that succeeded after leaving the team that initially drafted him. I picked Tannehill because he is the latest.

You are the one unduly fixated on the stat comparisons - not me.

My point is simply seemingly bad QBs can flourish after leaving their first NFL franchise

and that STATS DO NOT predict whether this will happen.

Not only are you doubling down on the logical fallacy of projecting future success based on past statistics, you are also sidestepping the fact that you mocked fans who had a case to make for Darnold and then admitted YOUR OWN SELF he may do better with a change of scenery which was the basis for their case in the first place.

Whether you believe Darnold is going to make it was never the discussion here; you didn't even treat it as a serious stance to be discussed originally.

The discussion is why you were condescending to your fellow CCS Bears fans who wonder if Darnold and a full draft cupboard might be a better option for the next GM and HC?

I get you don't agree. That's fair game for discussion, but not fair to dismiss their views as ridiculous out of hand.

I don’t believe I said your views were ridiculous. I said I didn’t agree with you conclusions that Darnold and Tannehill were the same. And used stats and success to point out the differences.

 

[Collins77]

A better question why not? If you can't get Watson or Wilson I'd be absolutely trying to bring in him or Winston. It would be a fairly cheap option considering our cap situation. In yhe same breath, Id still pull yhe trigger on a QB in draft if one dropped to me. Either of them Would be a good bridge QB. Build up the team, and draft or trade for a QB next year if things dont work out.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

A better question why not? If you can't get Watson or Wilson I'd be absolutely trying to bring in him or Winston. It would be a fairly cheap option considering our cap situation. In yhe same breath, Id still pull yhe trigger on a QB in draft if one dropped to me. Either of them Would be a good bridge QB. Build up the team, and draft or trade for a QB next year if things dont work out.

No way in hell I’m giving up draft picks for a below average bridge QB. Might as well stick with Foles at that point and I hate Foles.

 

[Toast88]

It would make no sense to drop Mitch just to pick up Darnold, just like it would make no sense to drop Mitch just to pick up Minshew or Mariota. The QB plan in a year where Pace knows his ass is on the line can't be "Acquire a quarterback similar to the one who caused you to almost get fired."

 

[truthbedamned]

Amazes me the idiots on here that want Minshew, Mariotta, Winston, or Darnold but have a fucking hissy fit if someone mentions bringing Mitch back.

 

[Pegger]

If the team does make this move they have to do their research and be confident they can get him on the right track.

We can all just blame his lack of development on the Jets, but I do think he's got to own that he's out there on Sunday making the wrong read and missing open receivers.

I'd add, even if the Jets broke him that doesn't mean he's fixable. You can trade for him only to discover the Jets sloppy seconds are... well, just that.

 

[Pegger]

Amazes me the idiots on here that want Minshew, Mariotta, Winston, or Darnold but have a fucking hissy fit if someone mentions bringing Mitch back.

They are all the same type of QB, but because Mitch already failed in a Bears uni it's hard to look past that and get excited for another season. It's the same for Jags fans with Minshew, Titans fans with Mariotta, Bucs fans with Winston and Jets fans with Darnold.

It's not about who's the best option. It's about moving on and wanting some kind of fresh start.

 

[truthbedamned]

They are all the same type of QB, but because Mitch already failed in a Bears uni it's hard to look past that and get excited for another season. It's the same for Jags fans with Minshew, Titans fans with Mariotta, Bucs fans with Winston and Jets fans with Darnold.

It's not about who's the best option. It's about moving on and wanting some kind of fresh start.

Kinda like trading your 2000 Toyota pickup truck with 300,000 miles for a 2000 Honda pickup truck with 300,000 miles. just because you like the color better. Why bother? You already know what the Toyota is capable of doing. The Honda engine might blow the first time you try and drive it.