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I was defending the Darnold guys. Not my views. But it bothered me when you dismissed their position out of hand with:
"because hope, just maybe defying all the odds
why do you people do this to yourself? "
You reduced the position to apparent nonsense. You ignored the view that not only included hope but about protecting future assets by throwing the next few drafts at a big talent QB with a know-nothing HC and an empty draft cupboard for his replacement. (And then admitted later that maybe a change of scenery would help Darnold be better!)
Words in my mouth. Never said that.
Pay closer attention this time please:
" I could draw a comparison to any QB that succeeded after leaving the team that initially drafted him. I picked Tannehill because he is the latest.... My point is simply seemingly bad QBs can flourish after leaving their first NFL franchise"
Yes and I said stats do not predict whether a previously poor playing QB can turn it around in System X with Coach Y.
So your stats are irrelevant - unless you have more to extrapolate from there but it really seems like you were done as if that was a logical argument against any QB who struggled on their first team. As if you were one of the vapid NFL analysts out there - (and you usually are not that superficial).
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Amazes me the idiots who think people on here don't get why some would want a lower-tier QB that could step up to top 15 from previous struggles and save the step of mortgaging the future for a QB that is uber talented but will suffer under Nagy and Pace and hamstring us by giving no reason for the next GM and coach to want to come to a team barren of future draft picks.
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Remember when fans were saying the same thing about Tannehill because he looked suspect under the guru himself Adam Gase? Pepperidge farms remembers.
Not saying Darnold will have that type of resurgence else where. But he is more talented than Turdbiscuits.
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Proof? Or just gas out yer ass? I really aint on the Wilson or Watson train but I sure as fuck don't want someone else's fucking backup or retread. We already got one of those in Foles.
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
You and all the Mitch criers would just be back bitching and moaning while watching a different loser from another team throw interceptions. Fucking Sam Darnold. Give me a fucking break. Everyone one of these losers you guy's are pining for are worse than Mitch. But they don't drive a Corolla....so they must be better.
And the reason Tannehill got better.....look at his supporting cast. Ryan Leaf would be good in Tennesee.
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You said Darnold would have a Tannehill like future...
I argued against it.
Not every former first round pick is a star waiting to blossom.
The Bears don't have time for hope, to take someone's bad leftovers, and Nagy has shown little in the way of developing any QB on the Bears.
If you trade for Darnold you are basically just hoping that a guy coming off his worst year in the NFL can somehow magically turn it around and that Nagy is the guy to do it. Nagy, being the same guy that said he doesn't like to get in the minutiae of developing a QB.
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The difference is Tannehill showed flashes of playing well with the Dolphins. He would've taken Dolphins to playoffs and probably win playoff game or two if he didn't get injured. Darnold didn't show anything close to being a competent QB.
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Wow, you don't even understand the first thing about my position lol. That would have been a deep burn for someone here probably but not me.
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No, I didn't.
No, you only said Tannehill's third year was better than Darnold's third year. Your connective tissue was missing as any NFLN or ESPN Talking head prematurely stops during an "analysis".
Thanks for the heads up.
Noo, PACE AND NAGY don't have time for hope. The Bears need to consider the long term and restrict them accordingly imo .. but they won't. I'm not an idiot.
I would have fired Nagy and Pace the morning after the playoff loss. I have no faith in Nagy whatsoever to do anything well,
and so that is WHY I get those who want to trade the next few drafts for THE Big Gun QB.
I do get it a lot.
BUT it would be the ONLY way we could overcome the bullshit that is Nagy week in and week out.
In that case, I still think we don't win it all and I'll be pissed if Nagy obviously still SUCKS but we win 10 games and a playoff game due to the undeniable eye-popping play of our Big Gun QB and then the rest of the team really plummets in age and we have years of Bizarro Bears: GREAT QB with shitty team: losing years and to me - losing is losing.
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What part of Mitchell Trubisky is better than Sam Darnold don't you understand?
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Sam Darnold has more career turnovers in college and the pros than he has games played at both levels.
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You are mincing words here. You bottom lined this by saying to bring in Darnold because he would turn it around like Tannehill.
If you don't agree with the above statement, then why would you waste time on Darnold at this point.
Either you believe Darnold will turn it around, because you compared him to a Tannehill change or you don't believe it.
You brought up Tannehill.
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The part where my position is otherwise. Either re-read my posts or ignore. You don't get my position in the least.
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Nope:
Pay closer attention this time please:
" I could draw a comparison to any QB that succeeded after leaving the team that initially drafted him. I picked Tannehill because he is the latest.... My point is simply seemingly bad QBs can flourish after leaving their first NFL franchise"
@modo : "Why do people do this to themselves? Darnold is a bust."
Me: "You don't know that. QBs have turned it around before - like Tannehill being the latest."
Also @modo :
"Maybe a change of scenery will help him (Darnold) do better"
Me: "Then why were you so harsh on the people saying bring in Darnold, save picks, and see if a change of scenery helps him do better if you admit it's possible?"
@modo : "Why do you want Darnold? He isn't Tannehill."
No need to deal with my overall point here? Why not?
This all would have been over if you read carefully and just agreed to disagree on the level of Darnold's ability to be aided by a change of scenery as not worth the effort no matter if any HC comes in next year after Nagy is fired.
See I could see that. I would GIVE you that as a reasonable position.
I understand those who want the Big Gun QB.
The Proven QB is HC-proof leaving Nagy more expendable since far fewer coaches will have a problem being tied to Wilson or Watson. I actually get that.
None of you all grant the other side the courtesy of acknowledging a lower tier QB like Darnold or his types leaves more draft capital for the next HC and GM after they are fired.
You act like THAT position is so ridiculous it must be dismissed out of hand with no discussion. (Discussion of those merits have even here YET to be approached).
My entire point sidestepped and ignored with hostility leaving me utterly baffled at how I ever thought you and @truthbedamned were honest posters of decent discussion.
Disappointed. But moving on.
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don't disrespect Bison
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My bad. Thought this was an Aesopian thread at first glance. Comment deleted ?
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yes now you're talking! but really, don't bump his threads either. lol