Thread of List......CONSPIRACIES

[MDB111™]

If you're not on my level, you're not on my level. Why waste time pretending you are?

What is your level? You can't claim I am not on an invisible level without any sort of context.

Im not here to ridicule your beliefs. I only know what Ive heard from @number51.
Clear the record here. What do you believe happened at Sandy Hook?
If you dont want to tell me your thoughts on that, how about 911?
I am not pretending here. I have my own thought about both. You probably wont change my mind, but i am genuinely curious about your ideas here.

 

[MDB111™]

People at the club were using Facebook to give eye witness accounts of more than one gunman shooting patrons. Later there their Facebook accounts were strangely erased .

How much do you trust what the media reports?
Is there anything that you've questioned with regards to certain past negative events and what the media reports?

I believe that 90 percent of the media is liberal owned Disney executive thoughts. I believe whatever agenda they aim to push, they can if needed or wanted.
I believe the remaining right wing 10 percent owned media is also bullshit.
So do I trust the media? Not really, i guess. But I dont envision a ulterior motive or reality that I am not a part of or aware of either.
I dont feel hoodwinked by anyone or anything.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

What is your level? You can't claim I am not on an invisible level without any sort of context.

Im not here to ridicule your beliefs. I only know what Ive heard from @number51.
Clear the record here. What do you believe happened at Sandy Hook?
If you dont want to tell me your thoughts on that, how about 911?
I am not pretending here. I have my own thought about both. You probably wont change my mind, but i am genuinely curious about your ideas here.

I've discussed in depth in the past. It's a time consuming thing I'm not willing to take part in again though. But to give you a better idea of how I come to the conclusions I do, it's usually 1 plain obvious thing that stands out like a sore thumb and cannot be ignored and then many things that follow easily raise the bullshit flag too. 9-11, I questioned the day of. Buildings will simply never collapse at free fall speed into their own footprint,k without being rigged to do so with explosive that were also clearly visible this day. It's simply impossible and would require them to collapse in a path that would offer the most resistance when, in fact, they will always follow the path of least resistance. Never happened before or since but on that 1 day, with the BS story being put out, 3 buildings did just that and anyone who would believe that to be legit also needs be completely void of common sense.

The first thing with SH was the Gene Rosen story. Made not an ounce of sense from the get go and this assclown was clearly overacting in every interview he did over and over again. Then the Parker family and all the proven photoshopped images of their family, Emily w/Obama, and so on. Within 24 hours we were meant to believe the parents of these dead children had come to terms with it and were now focused on pushing gun control. Soon came out many involved also had multiple aliases. Ridiculousness every step of the way.

 

[MDB111™]

I've discussed in depth in the past. It's a time consuming thing I'm not willing to take part in again though. But to give you a better idea of how I come to the conclusions I do, it's usually 1 plain obvious thing that stands out like a sore thumb and cannot be ignored and then many things that follow easily raise the bullshit flag too. 9-11, I questioned the day of. Buildings will simply never collapse at free fall speed into their own footprint,k without being rigged to do so with explosive that were also clearly visible this day. It's simply impossible and would require them to collapse in a path that would offer the most resistance when, in fact, they will always follow the path of least resistance. Never happened before or since but on that 1 day, with the BS story being put out, 3 buildings did just that and anyone who would believe that to be legit also needs be completely void of common sense.

The first thing with SH was the Gene Rosen story. Made not an ounce of sense from the get go and this assclown was clearly overacting in every interview he did over and over again. Then the Parker family and all the proven photoshopped images of their family, Emily w/Obama, and so on. Within 24 hours we were meant to believe the parents of these dead children had come to terms with it and were now focused on pushing gun control. Soon came out many involved also had multiple aliases. Ridiculousness every step of the way.

I've discussed in depth in the past. It's a time consuming thing I'm not willing to take part in again though. But to give you a better idea of how I come to the conclusions I do, it's usually 1 plain obvious thing that stands out like a sore thumb and cannot be ignored and then many things that follow easily raise the bullshit flag too. 9-11, I questioned the day of. Buildings will simply never collapse at free fall speed into their own footprint,k without being rigged to do so with explosive that were also clearly visible this day. It's simply impossible and would require them to collapse in a path that would offer the most resistance when, in fact, they will always follow the path of least resistance. Never happened before or since but on that 1 day, with the BS story being put out, 3 buildings did just that and anyone who would believe that to be legit also needs be completely void of common sense.

The first thing with SH was the Gene Rosen story. Made not an ounce of sense from the get go and this assclown was clearly overacting in every interview he did over and over again. Then the Parker family and all the proven photoshopped images of their family, Emily w/Obama, and so on. Within 24 hours we were meant to believe the parents of these dead children had come to terms with it and were now focused on pushing gun control. Soon came out many involved also had multiple aliases. Ridiculousness every step of the way.

I will digest the SH stuff and look into this Gene Rosen and the Parker family.

Regarding 911 though. I think you are a New Yorker No? I live 20 miles from DC- I work there most days. On 911, I was on 495(DC's beltway) in bumper to bumper traffic. I was at exit 8, right next to Andrews AFB and the story there was that 2 jets were scrambled. I can tell you, dozens of fighter jets were scrambled. It was the most surreal thing I've ever witnessed. They were screaming at low altitudes. On a normal day, the entire AFB region sees many touch and go maneuvers so low flying is not out of the ordinary but this was like nothing I have ever seen. My guess is that they went straight to the Pentagon which would be a less than 5 minute flight from AFB at those speeds.
My- Co-worker was on 395 in traffic right next to the Pentagon. Here is the thing that will forever bug me about 911 truthers regarding the Pentagon. Do you know what my co-worker saw? He saw a passenger jet fly into the Pentagon. And the reason why you don't hear any rebuttals from the whole "it was a missle" crowd, is because of the traffic.
At the time of the plane hitting the Pentagon, rush hour traffic in the DC region is so god damned ridiculous that 395 was bumper to bumper for miles. I estimate on average that at least 30000 cars were parked on 305 south and north bound. The plane hit so hard that it shattered some cars windows sitting in traffic! It also shattered windows in Crystal City Arlington across the highway(395) The amount of people already at work in the buildings also raises the amount of eyewitnesses to staggering amounts of people.
So to say it was"a missile" is preposterous. There is nothing you can say to make me a believer in any sort of agenda if your story starts with "it was a missile". It was a plane. 100% factually a plane. Just like 2 planes hit the 2 towers.
So regarding the towers? 2 planes hit those towers. So if we are talking about conspiracies, not only would the hijackers would of had to hijack planes but also the US had to prepare by setting up the implosion devices?
Now I don't deny what the falling towers looked like. I have seen a handful of imploding buildings and those 2 towers fell exactly like the implosions I saw. But planes DID hit the towers. If the people in high places really wanted to implode the buildings, they would have been imploded. Planes and terrorists were not needed.

 

[RacerX]

My wife recently started watching some stupid Youtuber who talks conspiracy theories and so naturally, I watched an episode with her. Most of them are bullshit, but one they talked about that caught my attention was the California wildfires. People seem to thing they were intentionally started by the US Government, some terrorist group, aliens, etc. The conspiracy is that the fires were started by targeted lasers shot from space or planes because the burn patterns don't make any sense. This guy was driving through neighborhoods looking at damage and was finding some houses completed rekt and then right next door or across the street, the house was untouched and nobody can really explain it. I don't put much merit into these stories, but maybe @Spartan can tell us his view on the fires.

One of my close friends is the local fire chief, he’s been a 1st-responder for nearly 3 decades and of course he was centrally involved in battling the CA wildfires.

He does not share any of those conspiracy beliefs and he was there in the thick of it and in the aftermath, pretty sure he’s a more reliable source than some YouTube asshole in a basement.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I will digest the SH stuff and look into this Gene Rosen and the Parker family.

Regarding 911 though. I think you are a New Yorker No? I live 20 miles from DC- I work there most days. On 911, I was on 495(DC's beltway) in bumper to bumper traffic. I was at exit 8, right next to Andrews AFB and the story there was that 2 jets were scrambled. I can tell you, dozens of fighter jets were scrambled. It was the most surreal thing I've ever witnessed. They were screaming at low altitudes. On a normal day, the entire AFB region sees many touch and go maneuvers so low flying is not out of the ordinary but this was like nothing I have ever seen. My guess is that they went straight to the Pentagon which would be a less than 5 minute flight from AFB at those speeds.
My- Co-worker was on 395 in traffic right next to the Pentagon. Here is the thing that will forever bug me about 911 truthers regarding the Pentagon. Do you know what my co-worker saw? He saw a passenger jet fly into the Pentagon. And the reason why you don't hear any rebuttals from the whole "it was a missle" crowd, is because of the traffic.
At the time of the plane hitting the Pentagon, rush hour traffic in the DC region is so god damned ridiculous that 395 was bumper to bumper for miles. I estimate on average that at least 30000 cars were parked on 305 south and north bound. The plane hit so hard that it shattered some cars windows sitting in traffic! It also shattered windows in Crystal City Arlington across the highway(395) The amount of people already at work in the buildings also raises the amount of eyewitnesses to staggering amounts of people.
So to say it was"a missile" is preposterous. There is nothing you can say to make me a believer in any sort of agenda if your story starts with "it was a missile". It was a plane. 100% factually a plane. Just like 2 planes hit the 2 towers.
So regarding the towers? 2 planes hit those towers. So if we are talking about conspiracies, not only would the hijackers would of had to hijack planes but also the US had to prepare by setting up the implosion devices?
Now I don't deny what the falling towers looked like. I have seen a handful of imploding buildings and those 2 towers fell exactly like the implosions I saw. But planes DID hit the towers. If the people in high places really wanted to implode the buildings, they would have been imploded. Planes and terrorists were not needed.

You can say what your guess was and even what your coworker thought he saw but it can never trump the fact that buildings cannot collapse as the 3 did that day without being rigged to do so. I could point out things with the other 2 planes too but starts and ends right there. The lie is fully exposed and to make it even more obvious they're gonna say, in this story complete with 4 disintegrating planes, that after all that an intact passport of a Hijacker fell unharmed to the ground in the vicinity of the towers. Who is stupid enough to believe this shit? That's all I really want to know.

 

[MDB111™]

You can say what your guess was and even what your coworker thought he saw but it can never trump the fact that buildings cannot collapse as the 3 did that day without being rigged to do so. I could point out things with the other 2 planes too but starts and ends right there. The lie is fully exposed and to make it even more obvious they're gonna say, in this story complete with 4 disintegrating planes, that after all that an intact passport of a Hijacker fell unharmed to the ground in the vicinity of the towers. Who is stupid enough to believe this shit? That's all I really want to know.

Again, What "my co-worker" saw was fact. I think the reason no really argues about a missile is the absurdity of tens of thousands of eye-witnesses "witnessing" a plane hit the pentagon while they sat in traffic. My co-worker didn't "think" he saw a plane. He saw a GD plane. And if you knew the DC region like I do, You'd understand that in the year 2001 when cell phone video was still not around, the only video capable of picking up the plane was spotty at best. But the point I am trying to drive home, is that outsiders can concoct any story they wish, but DC natives that were sitting in traffic by the tens of thousands know what they saw and to argue any differently is Special person.
This is sort of like your towers scenario, you argue that that the towers dropped like a timed implosion but you ignore the fact that 2 planes literally hit both towers. So which is it? Did the government know about the plan and let it happen because they had the buildings rigged to fall anyway? Or did the govt fake hijcakings and towers falling?

Really the only conspiracy that I subscribe to is the passenger plane that went down in PA. I think the story is Uber patriotic. I think the plane was indeed hijacked, but I think the US gov't after the entire morning they were subjected to, shot that plane out of the sky to lessen further casualties. And all the movies that came out way too fucking soon after the event further solidified the story of Americans thwarting the pilots. But I dont fault our defense of this OUR country one bit for minimizing casualties at that point.

 

[Burque]

My wife recently started watching some stupid Youtuber who talks conspiracy theories and so naturally, I watched an episode with her. Most of them are bullshit, but one they talked about that caught my attention was the California wildfires. People seem to thing they were intentionally started by the US Government, some terrorist group, aliens, etc. The conspiracy is that the fires were started by targeted lasers shot from space or planes because the burn patterns don't make any sense. This guy was driving through neighborhoods looking at damage and was finding some houses completed rekt and then right next door or across the street, the house was untouched and nobody can really explain it. I don't put much merit into these stories, but maybe @Spartan can tell us his view on the fires.

The hand of God protected certain homes from the fire.

 

[MDB111™]

The hand of God protected certain homes from the fire.

the hand of dumb luck

 

[number51]

Everyone has seen it pouring rain on one side of the street and not a drop on the other, it happens.

Space lasers, GTFO.

The problem with these conspiracies is getting hundreds of thousands of people to go along with the scam and no one ever says a word, that is fucking hysterical.

Watergate, 50 paid professionals couldn't keep their shit straight for 1 year, but all those people involved in Sandy Hook, the EMT's the nurses, doctors, and all the other hospitals workers, the neighbors , friends and families of the victims, not a peep in 7 years, only a lunatic would believe that. Same with the Boston Marathon Bombings, and all this other happy horse shit.

You want an iron clad insanity detector, "do you think children were murdered at Sandy Hook?"
No = insane
Yes = could still be a nut, just not this particular type of nut.

 

[MDB111™]

Everyone has seen it pouring rain on one side of the street and not a drop on the other, it happens.

Space lasers, GTFO.

The problem with these conspiracies is getting hundreds of thousands of people to go along with the scam and no one ever says a word, that is fucking hysterical.

Watergate, 50 paid professionals couldn't keep their shit straight for 1 year, but all those people involved in Sandy Hook, the EMT's the nurses, doctors, and all the other hospitals workers, the neighbors , friends and families of the victims, not a peep in 7 years, only a lunatic would believe that. Same with the Boston Marathon Bombings, and all this other happy horse shit.

You want an iron clad insanity detector, "do you think children were murdered at Sandy Hook?"
No = insane
Yes = could still be a nut, just not this particular type of nut.

I think you are looking at it all with a "Did it happen" angle or "did it not happen"
IMO, Of course it happened! Children were murdered by a maniacal young man, But to piss on others thoughts is premature. And again, you and @Spartan have had these conversations before. ME and spartan havent though. So as strong as you feel, if you could maybe refrain from any comments that would de-rail the conversation between he and I, I would appreciate it.

 

[number51]

I think you are looking at it all with a "Did it happen" angle or "did it not happen"
IMO, Of course it happened! Children were murdered by a maniacal young man, But to piss on others thoughts is premature. And again, you and @Spartan have had these conversations before. ME and spartan havent though. So as strong as you feel, if you could maybe refrain from any comments that would de-rail the conversation between he and I, I would appreciate it.

You think it happened, @Spartan thinks it did not happen, good luck on you "conversation".

I'll back off and enjoy the fascinating back and forth that is certain to follow.

 

[MDB111™]

You think it happened, @Spartan thinks it did not happen, good luck on you "conversation".

I'll back off and enjoy the fascinating back and forth that is certain to follow.

Appreciate it, although something tells me Spartan aint ready for my thoughts. He has already said in so many words that I am "not on his level" and "pretending" to be. I am not though.
I am genuinely just curious about everyones thoughts about all conspiracies and thought a thread would be a decent idea, although so far it has been terrible.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Again, What "my co-worker" saw was fact. I think the reason no really argues about a missile is the absurdity of tens of thousands of eye-witnesses "witnessing" a plane hit the pentagon while they sat in traffic. My co-worker didn't "think" he saw a plane. He saw a GD plane. And if you knew the DC region like I do, You'd understand that in the year 2001 when cell phone video was still not around, the only video capable of picking up the plane was spotty at best. But the point I am trying to drive home, is that outsiders can concoct any story they wish, but DC natives that were sitting in traffic by the tens of thousands know what they saw and to argue any differently is Special person.
This is sort of like your towers scenario, you argue that that the towers dropped like a timed implosion but you ignore the fact that 2 planes literally hit both towers. So which is it? Did the government know about the plan and let it happen because they had the buildings rigged to fall anyway? Or did the govt fake hijcakings and towers falling?

Really the only conspiracy that I subscribe to is the passenger plane that went down in PA. I think the story is Uber patriotic. I think the plane was indeed hijacked, but I think the US gov't after the entire morning they were subjected to, shot that plane out of the sky to lessen further casualties. And all the movies that came out way too fucking soon after the event further solidified the story of Americans thwarting the pilots. But I dont fault our defense of this OUR country one bit for minimizing casualties at that point.

You put too much stake in eyewitness accounts that have been known to be unreliable. You also discount the fact there were other eyewitnesses who said it was not a plane. Also lack of physical evidence at the scene. The "plane" was said to have lost it's wings as it went in low and the wing(s) came off when hitting the ground before the plane made a hole deep through the Pentagon whilst disintegrating. Strange story in itself, but if the wings did come into contact with the ground, that lawn would have been chopped and eaten up yet had no such markings at all. There was also the story of light posts being knocked over by a plane and hitting that cab driver's car. If the plane was that low, sure it would have taken out a lot of that traffic and done much more damage than knocking a light post on its side. The path of the downed light poles was observed to be an impossible path as well.

Same with NY eyewitnesses. Had some who said they happened to be looking up and saw the planes but did not hear them at all and others who stated the opposite. Still, you overlook the empirical evidence, the 3 buildings that were said to have collapsed in impossible fashion. Impossible means the bs story cannot be true. And, if you want to believe that while all planes disintegrated, remains were said to still be found to identify bodies and an undamaged passport of a hijacker was found, that's on you. A person who can be made to believe such things cannot be reasoned with.

The plane over PA was a BS story too, of course. No record of those claimed phone calls from the plane as often was reported and pointed to time and again. This was discovered in the Moussaoui trial in 2006.

 

[run and shoot]

I will digest the SH stuff and look into this Gene Rosen and the Parker family.

Regarding 911 though. I think you are a New Yorker No? I live 20 miles from DC- I work there most days. On 911, I was on 495(DC's beltway) in bumper to bumper traffic. I was at exit 8, right next to Andrews AFB and the story there was that 2 jets were scrambled. I can tell you, dozens of fighter jets were scrambled. It was the most surreal thing I've ever witnessed. They were screaming at low altitudes. On a normal day, the entire AFB region sees many touch and go maneuvers so low flying is not out of the ordinary but this was like nothing I have ever seen. My guess is that they went straight to the Pentagon which would be a less than 5 minute flight from AFB at those speeds.
My- Co-worker was on 395 in traffic right next to the Pentagon. Here is the thing that will forever bug me about 911 truthers regarding the Pentagon. Do you know what my co-worker saw? He saw a passenger jet fly into the Pentagon. And the reason why you don't hear any rebuttals from the whole "it was a missle" crowd, is because of the traffic.
At the time of the plane hitting the Pentagon, rush hour traffic in the DC region is so god damned ridiculous that 395 was bumper to bumper for miles. I estimate on average that at least 30000 cars were parked on 305 south and north bound. The plane hit so hard that it shattered some cars windows sitting in traffic! It also shattered windows in Crystal City Arlington across the highway(395) The amount of people already at work in the buildings also raises the amount of eyewitnesses to staggering amounts of people.
So to say it was"a missile" is preposterous. There is nothing you can say to make me a believer in any sort of agenda if your story starts with "it was a missile". It was a plane. 100% factually a plane. Just like 2 planes hit the 2 towers.
So regarding the towers? 2 planes hit those towers. So if we are talking about conspiracies, not only would the hijackers would of had to hijack planes but also the US had to prepare by setting up the implosion devices?
Now I don't deny what the falling towers looked like. I have seen a handful of imploding buildings and those 2 towers fell exactly like the implosions I saw. But planes DID hit the towers. If the people in high places really wanted to implode the buildings, they would have been imploded. Planes and terrorists were not needed.

But planes DID hit the towers. If the people in high places really wanted to implode the buildings, they would have been imploded. Planes and terrorists were not needed.

But we'd need the "Planes and terrorists angle" to solidify the narrative of so-called "weapons of mass destruction " and the so-called "war against terrorism" Right ?

 

[MDB111™]

I've discussed in depth in the past. It's a time consuming thing I'm not willing to take part in again though. But to give you a better idea of how I come to the conclusions I do, it's usually 1 plain obvious thing that stands out like a sore thumb and cannot be ignored and then many things that follow easily raise the bullshit flag too. 9-11, I questioned the day of. Buildings will simply never collapse at free fall speed into their own footprint,k without being rigged to do so with explosive that were also clearly visible this day. It's simply impossible and would require them to collapse in a path that would offer the most resistance when, in fact, they will always follow the path of least resistance. Never happened before or since but on that 1 day, with the BS story being put out, 3 buildings did just that and anyone who would believe that to be legit also needs be completely void of common sense.

The first thing with SH was the Gene Rosen story. Made not an ounce of sense from the get go and this assclown was clearly overacting in every interview he did over and over again. Then the Parker family and all the proven photoshopped images of their family, Emily w/Obama, and so on. Within 24 hours we were meant to believe the parents of these dead children had come to terms with it and were now focused on pushing gun control. Soon came out many involved also had multiple aliases. Ridiculousness every step of the way.

Just went through several Gene Rosen videos. You don't think he was in shock? His testimony is that of a confused bystander and nothing more? Have you personally ever witnessed or have been a part of something so heinous that it made you react and talk in a certain way?
For the record, I have... The body, when in shock will react and talk in many different ways. In short, sparty, I didnt see anything out of the ordinary with Mr. Rosens recounts of what he saw.
What did you see?

 

[run and shoot]

Another thing about 9-11...... is with all the security and Intel we have as a nation, how were we stupid enuff to train 19 foreign born "terrorists" to fly planes. That just doesn't fly with me ( and
I don't if a pun is intended here or not)?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Just went through several Gene Rosen videos. You don't think he was in shock? His testimony is that of a confused bystander and nothing more? Have you personally ever witnessed or have been a part of something so heinous that it made you react and talk in a certain way?
For the record, I have... The body, when in shock will react and talk in many different ways. In short, sparty, I didnt see anything out of the ordinary with Mr. Rosens recounts of what he saw.
What did you see?

I saw a story that made no sense. He virtually lived across the street from the firehouse where it was said all those in the school should go and parents should meet their kids there yet a bus driver inexplicably drops this handful of kids off at his house and the story that followed was hilarious. You don't think parents would have a problem with a bus driver dropping their kids off at a stranger's home? C'mon man. He often forgot certain things he said previously and kept changing key points so obviously needed more prep time. There was a video that went viral of him rehearsing his lines in his driveway while trying to drum up emotions. Most of those were taken down but found this one.

 

[run and shoot]

How much do you trust what the media reports?
Is there anything that you've questioned with regards to certain past negative events and what the media reports?

I believe that 90 percent of the media is liberal owned Disney executive thoughts. I believe whatever agenda they aim to push, they can if needed or wanted.
I believe the remaining right wing 10 percent owned media is also bullshit.
So do I trust the media? Not really, i guess. But I dont envision a ulterior motive or reality that I am not a part of or aware of either.
I dont feel hoodwinked by anyone or anything.

It's goes a lot deeper than "liberal & right wing". But I'll stop here.

So do I trust the media? Not really, i guess.

Good......Don't ever 4get u said said this..let it guide you

 

[TL1961]

I'm not saying i'm just saying................i think i know what happened to Jimmy.

I know, because I read the book.