TIL: in 2010 Barret Loux was the 6th pick in the MLB draft.

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Well, to be fair, the whole Cubs team folded when runners were on base. Rizzo was absolutely horrendous. I also don't adhere to the saber guys that say certain guys don't hit better in certain situations. Some guys knock people in for a living, some don't.
 

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In the NL he'd be great

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Great! You can post links to baseball reference as well as anyone.

Did your mommy reward you with a candy cane for it?

Uh oh. DJ made a boom boom in his diaper and strawmans away from the fact that Frasor is a consistent, excellent bullpen arm. Cant say this is atypical behavior of one DJ. He's too busy betting the cubs could never lose 100 games with Theo.
 
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Uh oh. DJ made a boom boom in his diaper and strawmans away from the fact that Frasor is a consistent, excellent bullpen arm. Cant say this is atypical behavior of one DJ. He's too busy betting the cubs could never lose 100 games with Theo.

$5 million a year is the type of money I'd spend on a Bemoit/Fernando Rodney type, guys with closer experience, not a guy who's been a middle reliever his who career.
 
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So, pat's big plan for the Cubs over the years was to sign Fielder, C.J. Wilson, Swisher, and McCarthy. Gotta love dreams, don't we? Unfortunately, signing free agents isn't quite the same as picking up an item off the shelf at the grocery store.

In what way would have McCarthy have been a better signing than Feldman? You have yet to post anything to back yourself up there except to call another poster an "idiot" or "clueless". If nothing else, we can take credit for spring-boarding Feldman's career and eventually earning him a new $30 million contract with the 'Stros. McCarthy has been injury-prone his whole career, even dating back to his days as a White Sox prospect. He suffered a grusome head injury in 2012 and no one knew if he'd be mentally stable enough to be an effective pitcher again. His numbers with Arizona in 2013? 5-11 with a 4.53 ERA with just 76 strikeouts in 135 innings pitched. Yep, stud.

You can have that Nick Swisher contract. He's a first baseman only at this stage. His numbers are similar to Rizzo's, only he's a decade older and considerably more expensive. I followed him during his days with the Moneyball A's. First base has always his preferred position, but he was always willing to play the outfield to accommodate the team's needs. Now entering his mid-thirties, he won't see the outfield anymore. At all.

And then there's Prince Fielder. Not too many negative things to say about him, except for his contract and the fact that he's a non-playoff performer. Miggy Cabrera has has the two best seasons of his career with Prince protecting him. With Detroit on the brink of a World Series title in two straight years, you'd think they'd elect to hold tight with Prince for the forseeable future, right? Nope, not quite. In spite of their success, Detroit wanted out of that commitment and he's already been traded just two years into a nine-year deal.
 

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So, pat's big plan for the Cubs over the years was to sign Fielder, C.J. Wilson, Swisher, and McCarthy. Gotta love dreams, don't we? Unfortunately, signing free agents isn't quite the same as picking up an item off the shelf at the grocery store.

In what way would have McCarthy have been a better signing than Feldman? You have yet to post anything to back yourself up there except to call another poster an "idiot" or "clueless". If nothing else, we can take credit for spring-boarding Feldman's career and eventually earning him a new $30 million contract with the 'Stros. McCarthy has been injury-prone his whole career, even dating back to his days as a White Sox prospect. He suffered a grusome head injury in 2012 and no one knew if he'd be mentally stable enough to be an effective pitcher again. His numbers with Arizona in 2013? 5-11 with a 4.53 ERA with just 76 strikeouts in 135 innings pitched. Yep, stud.

You can have that Nick Swisher contract. He's a first baseman only at this stage. His numbers are similar to Rizzo's, only he's a decade older and considerably more expensive. I followed him during his days with the Moneyball A's. First base has always his preferred position, but he was always willing to play the outfield to accommodate the team's needs. Now entering his mid-thirties, he won't see the outfield anymore. At all.

And then there's Prince Fielder. Not too many negative things to say about him, except for his contract and the fact that he's a non-playoff performer. Miggy Cabrera has has the two best seasons of his career with Prince protecting him. With Detroit on the brink of a World Series title in two straight years, you'd think they'd elect to hold tight with Prince for the forseeable future, right? Nope, not quite. In spite of their success, Detroit wanted out of that commitment and he's already been traded just two years into a nine-year deal.

He was traded to make room for enough money to keep Max Scherzer and to make room for Castellanos. Miggy goes back to his natural position and the Tigers have a better second base option then they have had in years. The rangers now bring in a power bat who's numbers are going to be great in Arlington. He wasn't traded because he sucked. He was traded because the trade for both teams made to much sense. Also, pitching will always be a priority over hitting. Fielder being traded had nothing to do with performance just needs for different teams.
 
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He was traded to make room for enough money to keep Max Scherzer and to make room for Castellanos. Miggy goes back to his natural position and the Tigers have a better second base option then they have had in years. The rangers now bring in a power bat who's numbers are going to be great in Arlington. He wasn't traded because he sucked. He was traded because the trade for both teams made to much sense. Also, pitching will always be a priority over hitting. Fielder being traded had nothing to do with performance just needs for different teams.

Does the reasoning really matter? I agree that he should rake in Texas, but Detroit obviously considered Scherzer to be more valuable and for Prince to be expendable. Not a franchise maker as many on here make him out to be, just a complimentary piece.
 

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Does the reasoning really matter? I agree that he should rake in Texas, but Detroit obviously considered Scherzer to be more valuable and for Prince to be expendable. Not a franchise maker as many on here make him out to be, just a complimentary piece.

Pitching is horrible in this league. You hold on to power pitchers as much as you can. Hence, why Shark asking price is so high.
 
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Pitching is horrible in this league. You hold on to power pitchers as much as you can. Hence, why Shark asking price is so high.

Fielder is a very good player, but .279/25/106 in 624 at-bats isn't exactly stout for a first baseman. Hence, why Detroit moved his big contract in attempt to lock up Scherzer.

And I saw what you wrote on the closed thread. You're not exactly a model of maturity yourself, mister.
 

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Fielder is a very good player, but .279/25/106 in 624 at-bats isn't exactly stout for a first baseman. Hence, why Detroit moved his big contract in attempt to lock up Scherzer.

And I saw what you wrote on the closed thread. You're not exactly a model of maturity yourself, mister.

Good lord, you make people want to smash their heads through a wall!
 
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The whole argument that "we should be spending simply because we're Chicago and we could" is lazy and doesn't cut it any more.
 

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So, pat's big plan for the Cubs over the years was to sign Fielder, C.J. Wilson, Swisher, and McCarthy. Gotta love dreams, don't we? Unfortunately, signing free agents isn't quite the same as picking up an item off the shelf at the grocery store.

In what way would have McCarthy have been a better signing than Feldman? You have yet to post anything to back yourself up there except to call another poster an "idiot" or "clueless". If nothing else, we can take credit for spring-boarding Feldman's career and eventually earning him a new $30 million contract with the 'Stros. McCarthy has been injury-prone his whole career, even dating back to his days as a White Sox prospect. He suffered a grusome head injury in 2012 and no one knew if he'd be mentally stable enough to be an effective pitcher again. His numbers with Arizona in 2013? 5-11 with a 4.53 ERA with just 76 strikeouts in 135 innings pitched. Yep, stud.

You can have that Nick Swisher contract. He's a first baseman only at this stage. His numbers are similar to Rizzo's, only he's a decade older and considerably more expensive. I followed him during his days with the Moneyball A's. First base has always his preferred position, but he was always willing to play the outfield to accommodate the team's needs. Now entering his mid-thirties, he won't see the outfield anymore. At all.

And then there's Prince Fielder. Not too many negative things to say about him, except for his contract and the fact that he's a non-playoff performer. Miggy Cabrera has has the two best seasons of his career with Prince protecting him. With Detroit on the brink of a World Series title in two straight years, you'd think they'd elect to hold tight with Prince for the forseeable future, right? Nope, not quite. In spite of their success, Detroit wanted out of that commitment and he's already been traded just two years into a nine-year deal.

Good lord you're fucking Special person. Let's dissect the mind of a 4 year old perpetual bed-wetter, shall we?

You offer the money, guys will sign. Simple as that.

I'm sorry, McCarthy as of recent is a far better starter than Feldman. I love how you took only 2013 as your example, making the error leaving out Feldman pre-Chicago cubs was a 4 ERA for one year and over 5 two other in the three total before 2013. McCarthy? 4.6, 3.3, and 3.2. Advantage McCarthy. Feldman isn't bad, but he isn't better than Brandon McCarthy. He got that contract from Houston because of what he did excelling with the cubs. When he got to Baltimore he crawled back to the >4 ERA pitcher he's always been and got himself 10 mil a year. Good for him. In the crazy FA world today, you take whatever someone will give you.

In case you want to try, DJ. McCarthy had better WHIP, K/9 H/9, BB/9, and K/BB ratio over the 3 years and career-wise. All at an exorbitant 2.5 million dollars more per year. That must have been the deal breaker.

Swisher's numbers are similar to Rizzo's? Once again, you fall victim to "only look at 2013." Swisher has been the far superior hitter. They only come close in HR and RBIs. And you don't know he couldn't handle RF. He played 27 games for Cleveland in the OF with 1 error.

Detroit wanted out of the commitment? So they took the guy who's 2+ years older with injury problems and is nowhere near as good batting, getting on base, power, and RBI potential. That sounds logical. Miggy wanted to move to 1st and VMart would not have gotten a better return. They lost Infante at 2nd and 1B was overloaded with 3 guys able to play it with a hot young prospect coming up to man 3B.

But **** logic, lets just assume the DJ special. Detroit just didn't like Prince because of his contract.

Watch Texas flop with Fielder in the line up. You're going to be the guy dancing after 1 0-4 day.
 

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The whole argument that "we should be spending simply because we're Chicago and we could" is lazy and doesn't cut it any more.

What about the whole argument that forget trying to be a competitive team, we need to intentionally tank seasons for the sake of draft picks? That's getting old too.

This team is going to lose 100+ games. Any other team where a GM/PoO loses 101, 97, then 100+ would clean house.

NOPE. Not the cubs. Fans are too stupid in this fanbase to realize only a farm system can't do it alone.
 

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What about the whole argument that forget trying to be a competitive team, we need to intentionally tank seasons for the sake of draft picks? That's getting old too.

This team is going to lose 100+ games. Any other team where a GM/PoO loses 101, 97, then 100+ would clean house.

NOPE. Not the cubs. Fans are too stupid in this fanbase to realize only a farm system can't do it alone.


To bad i cant thank this post 100X :beer:
 
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Your latest tirade suggests I've struck a nerve.

Guys will simply sign if you offer more money??? Tell that to Arizona who actually offered more for Carlos Beltran than the Yankees did.

Now let me ask you this, Pat - Are we building a team for the past or for the future? Feldman posted better numbers than McCarthy across the board in 2013, and for a lesser price. Hence, he was the better signing. Durrr! Drrr! Even Feldman's 4.27 pitching in the A.L. East for the Orioles this year was better than anything McCarthy did, who proved this year that his 2011 and 2012 campaigns were largely a result of pitching in arguable the best pitcher's park in baseball in Oakland.
 
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What about the whole argument that forget trying to be a competitive team, we need to intentionally tank seasons for the sake of draft picks? That's getting old too.

This team is going to lose 100+ games. Any other team where a GM/PoO loses 101, 97, then 100+ would clean house.

NOPE. Not the cubs. Fans are too stupid in this fanbase to realize only a farm system can't do it alone.

No one is intentionally tanking seasons. Another lazy argument. It's called moving any remaining veterans from the previous regime that have value for more assets and create competition within our farm system. The terms "losing" and tanking" don't hold the same meaning. Look it up in the dictionary. Just because the team is losing doesn't mean they are trying to lose.

Under your genius plan, we would have had Fielder, Cashner, an out-of-positioned Nick Swisher, and a mediocre, injury-prone starting pitcher in McCarthy. That team still would have finished 4th by a wide margin in this division, and still not much of a farm system. Hell, I'm not even sure that team would have bested the Brewers.

Successful teams have to be able to draft and develop in this day and age, because free agents aren't cheap. That's why Detroit let go of more veterans than they needed to and are going with a rookie at 3rd base in 2014. Even the defending champion Red Sox are going to start two rookies in the field next season. There's also a reason the Yankees gave way to the Mariners in the Cano sweepstakes. They went with considerably cheaper options in Roberts and Beltran. You don't just spend money simply because you have it.

But, you're still going to find some reason to complain even if the Cubs land Tanaka (which is no guarantee even if we outbid the Yankees). I hope we get him, but I'm also being a man about the situation and preparing for a scenario in which we don't.
 
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Watch Texas flop with Fielder in the line up. You're going to be the guy dancing after 1 0-4 day.

You willing to put money behind that claim? For all I know he could be on my fantasy team this year and I'd be rooting for him. I'll consider it.

For the Texas Rangers' sake, I sure hope he's better than Rizzo considering all that extra money he's making.
 

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No one is intentionally tanking seasons. Another lazy argument. It's called moving any remaining veterans from the previous regime that have value for more assets and create competition within our farm system. The terms "losing" and tanking" don't hold the same meaning. Look it up in the dictionary. Just because the team is losing doesn't mean they are trying to lose.

Under your genius plan, we would have had Fielder, Cashner, an out-of-positioned Nick Swisher, and a mediocre, injury-prone starting pitcher in McCarthy. That team still would have finished 4th by a wide margin in this division, and still not much of a farm system. Hell, I'm not even sure that team would have bested the Brewers.

Successful teams have to be able to draft and develop in this day and age, because free agents aren't cheap. That's why Detroit let go of more veterans than they needed to and are going with a rookie at 3rd base in 2014. Even the defending champion Red Sox are going to start two rookies in the field next season. There's also a reason the Yankees gave way to the Mariners in the Cano sweepstakes. They went with considerably cheaper options in Roberts and Beltran. You don't just spend money simply because you have it.

But, you're still going to find some reason to complain even if the Cubs land Tanaka (which is no guarantee even if we outbid the Yankees). I hope we get him, but I'm also being a man about the situation and preparing for a scenario in which we don't.

You are right. Past three seasons they've been trying their best to win

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