TIL: in 2010 Barret Loux was the 6th pick in the MLB draft.

[patg006]

No one is intentionally tanking seasons. Another lazy argument. It's called moving any remaining veterans from the previous regime that have value for more assets and create competition within our farm system. The terms "losing" and tanking" don't hold the same meaning. Look it up in the dictionary. Just because the team is losing doesn't mean they are trying to lose.

Under your genius plan, we would have had Fielder, Cashner, an out-of-positioned Nick Swisher, and a mediocre, injury-prone starting pitcher in McCarthy. That team still would have finished 4th by a wide margin in this division, and still not much of a farm system. Hell, I'm not even sure that team would have bested the Brewers.

Successful teams have to be able to draft and develop in this day and age, because free agents aren't cheap. That's why Detroit let go of more veterans than they needed to and are going with a rookie at 3rd base in 2014. Even the defending champion Red Sox are going to start two rookies in the field next season. There's also a reason the Yankees gave way to the Mariners in the Cano sweepstakes. They went with considerably cheaper options in Roberts and Beltran. You don't just spend money simply because you have it.

But, you're still going to find some reason to complain even if the Cubs land Tanaka (which is no guarantee even if we outbid the Yankees). I hope we get him, but I'm also being a man about the situation and preparing for a scenario in which we don't.

Nobody is intentionally tanking seasons? You again, find new ways to amaze me, DJ.

You mean to tell me that the past 2 years under Theo, everything that could be done to win a world series those years was done?

Bullshit. You're only fooling yourself if you think that.

Successful teams do BOTH draft players and sign free agents, DJ. This must have been the millionth time we've told you.

Free agents are expensive? Holy shit. Where did you come up with that one? I could have sworn good free agents costed spare change from the 'tip jar' and a hearty handshake.

I'm one of the posters who keeps saying 'go all out for Tanaka.' I wouldn't complain if they got him, I want the cubs to spend money and invest in a rotational piece that helps the team. Tanaka to me is the difference between winning 60 games instead of 50 next year. This team is seismically bad offensively, leaning on a 1B with a contract they stupidly gave him after half of a year of playing who cant hit his own weight to be their premier hitter.

I will criticize the shit out of them if its a hoax, which I think it is. I question the cubs genuine interest in this kid. I see this as a ploy to make it look like they're trying. Now don't get me wrong, if they offer a huge deal and he picks someplace else, then that's one thing, I'll live with that. If they offer something half baked and teams handily beat the cubs 'offer,' then the entire front office needs to be fired.

Of course, if the cubs lose 100 they should be fired period.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

A hoax??? Now tell me, how the **** would the front office be benefiting by "pretending to be interested in Tanaka" like you so claim? It's not like they plan on going after any other marquee FA starting pitcher, considering the draft picks involved. It's not like they struggle in the attendance department and need this as a marketing ploy (as if we were the White Sox).

Use some common sense, Pat.

But, lord only knows why you're going into such a major meltdown if you think it's a mere difference between 50 and 60 wins. I think you want it to be a hoax so you'd have an excuse to keep complaining.

Choo and Beltran are out of the N.L. There will be plenty of winnable games in this division in 2014.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

You are right. Past three seasons they've been trying their best to win

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Hashtag,

I know this comes as such a shocker to you as a White Sox fan, but not all of us Cub fans are frontrunners. Not all of us are obsessed with the so-called "100+ year curse". Not all of us demand a World Series title year-in and year-out. Some of us actually have regard for the team's building process and support of the team.

No GM will admit it, but not every team enters the season with the expectation of a World Series title. That, however, does not mean they are "tanking games". Maybe in basketball, but I don't see any teams tanking in baseball. Too many different levels within the organization.

You think the Astros, Padres, Royals, and Mets (without Harvey for 2014) are looking to win it all this year?

 

[brett05]

Hashtag,

I know this comes as such a shocker to you as a White Sox fan, but not all of us Cub fans are frontrunners. Not all of us are obsessed with the so-called "100+ year curse". Not all of us demand a World Series title year-in and year-out. Some of us actually have regard for the team's building process and support of the team.

No GM will admit it, but not every team enters the season with the expectation of a World Series title. That, however, does not mean they are "tanking games". Maybe in basketball, but I don't see any teams tanking in baseball. Too many different levels within the organization.

You think the Astros, Padres, Royals, and Mets (without Harvey for 2014) are looking to win it all this year?

Way to strawman scarecrow

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[HurricaneDij39]

A one-liner. Typical. And you wonder why I brought your overall baseball knowledge to question...

 

[patg006]

A hoax??? Now tell me, how the **** would the front office be benefiting by "pretending to be interested in Tanaka" like you so claim? It's not like they plan on going after any other marquee FA starting pitcher, considering the draft picks involved. It's not like they struggle in the attendance department and need this as a marketing ploy (as if we were the White Sox).

Use some common sense, Pat.

But, lord only knows why you're going into such a major meltdown if you think it's a mere difference between 50 and 60 wins. I think you want it to be a hoax so you'd have an excuse to keep complaining.

Choo and Beltran are out of the N.L. There will be plenty of winnable games in this division in 2014.

Except this is most likely a marketing ploy. THis kid will command 100+ million dollars. The cubs have been very adamant about not spending money. Jackson was apparently a knee jerk reaction signing.

Except it can be a ploy. I have no doubt the cubs are interested, but lets be honest here, who wins a money race? New York Yankees. The cubs have a shot, but will Boy Blunder blindly commit 100+ million to a 25 year old who hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB? I see the cubs looking at the price tag and signing Suk-Min Yoon for a fraction of the price from Korea because they can't afford Tanaka. Period.

Great to know you're okay with a 50-60 win season. Some of us want better. But we all know you'll come running first to defend Boy Blunder after another 100 loss year with some obnoxious, strawman excuse, then proceed to call any one of us who don't buy his bullshit white sox fans.

Choo and Beltran out of the NL? Holy Shit, so we win the division? What about Wacha, Wainwright, Shelby Miller, Matt Latos, Joey Votto, Aroldis Chapman, McCutcheon, Gerrit Cole, and hell, even Yovanni Gallardo?

Oh wait, they're not. How will there be plenty of winnable games in 2014? The cubs cant drive in runs, their 3-4-5 is Rizzo Nate and unknown.. And every other team except Milwaukee has pitching that isn't full of AAAA players. The cubs are going to be fighting tooth and nail against the Marlins for the #1 pick in 2015.

 

[brett05]

A one-liner. Typical. And you wonder why I brought your overall baseball knowledge to question...

You want an essay on your vagueness and lack of well a lot? No thx


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[HurricaneDij39]

I post paragraphs and numbers to back up my statements. If you want to see a post that's pure vagueness look no further than post #64 on this thread.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Except this is most likely a marketing ploy.

Uh, for what exactly?

 

[nwfisch]

Uh, for what exactly?

Because Joe Ricketts never said that Wrigley was a cash cow regardless of the product on the field.........................

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Jackson was apparently a knee jerk reaction signing.

Except it can be a ploy. I have no doubt the cubs are interested, but lets be honest here, who wins a money race? New York Yankees. The cubs have a shot, but will Boy Blunder blindly commit 100+ million to a 25 year old who hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB? I see the cubs looking at the price tag and signing Suk-Min Yoon for a fraction of the price from Korea because they can't afford Tanaka. Period.

Great to know you're okay with a 50-60 win season. Some of us want better. But we all know you'll come running first to defend Boy Blunder after another 100 loss year with some obnoxious, strawman excuse, then proceed to call any one of us who don't buy his bullshit white sox fans.

Choo and Beltran out of the NL? Holy Shit, so we win the division? What about Wacha, Wainwright, Shelby Miller, Matt Latos, Joey Votto, Aroldis Chapman, McCutcheon, Gerrit Cole, and hell, even Yovanni Gallardo?

Oh wait, they're not. How will there be plenty of winnable games in 2014? The cubs cant drive in runs, their 3-4-5 is Rizzo Nate and unknown.. And every other team except Milwaukee has pitching that isn't full of AAAA players. The cubs are going to be fighting tooth and nail against the Marlins for the #1 pick in 2015.

Jackson was a knee-jerk signing? Based on what source? SlienceS? Even if it was, our farm system was completely lacking in pitching and needed to spend on someone to eat up innings. Right idea, but the knee-jerk part would strictly be the dollar amount they paid him, not the signing in general.

Just because you say the Cubs will win just 50-60 games doesn't mean it's going to happen. And no one is saying we're going to win the division. We won't. But, the potential is there to substantially increase our win total from last year.

You want to play "Paper Champions", go ahead. However, we have several guys on our team who have the background and the potential to perform significantly better than they did last year. There's a reason they play the games.

 

[The Bandit]

Jackson was a knee-jerk signing? Based on what source? SlienceS? Even if it was, our farm system was completely lacking in pitching and needed to spend on someone to eat up innings. Right idea, but the knee-jerk part would strictly be the dollar amount they paid him, not the signing in general.

Just because you say the Cubs will win just 50-60 games doesn't mean it's going to happen. And no one is saying we're going to win the division. We won't. But, the potential is there to substantially increase our win total from last year.

You want to play "Paper Champions", go ahead. However, we have several guys on our team who have the background and the potential to perform significantly better than they did last year. There's a reason they play the games.

Theo has said that it was.... they scrambled after Sanchez went back to Detroit, this has been talked about multiple times here.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Theo has said that it was.... they scrambled after Sanchez went back to Detroit, this has been talked about multiple times here.

Source? Whether it was knee-jerk or not, the Cubs needed someone to eat innings, and our front office obviously saw something in him. Again, if anything was knee-jerk it was likely the dollar amount he was signed, not the signing in itself.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Nobody is intentionally tanking seasons? You again, find new ways to amaze me, DJ.

You mean to tell me that the past 2 years under Theo, everything that could be done to win a world series those years was done?

Bullshit. You're only fooling yourself if you think that.

Successful teams do BOTH draft players and sign free agents, DJ. This must have been the millionth time we've told you.

Free agents are expensive? Holy shit. Where did you come up with that one? I could have sworn good free agents costed spare change from the 'tip jar' and a hearty handshake.

I'm one of the posters who keeps saying 'go all out for Tanaka.' I wouldn't complain if they got him, I want the cubs to spend money and invest in a rotational piece that helps the team. Tanaka to me is the difference between winning 60 games instead of 50 next year. This team is seismically bad offensively, leaning on a 1B with a contract they stupidly gave him after half of a year of playing who cant hit his own weight to be their premier hitter.

I will criticize the shit out of them if its a hoax, which I think it is. I question the cubs genuine interest in this kid. I see this as a ploy to make it look like they're trying. Now don't get me wrong, if they offer a huge deal and he picks someplace else, then that's one thing, I'll live with that. If they offer something half baked and teams handily beat the cubs 'offer,' then the entire front office needs to be fired.

Of course, if the cubs lose 100 they should be fired period.

This is a vague statement right here. You claim a team that both develops a farm and spends on free agents will likely be successful? Well no shit, sherlock.

The problem is that the Cubs have never shown an ability to develop a farm. That is why the new regime came in and focused on that before anything else. In my lifetime, the attitude around the team has always been "Gotta win now to break the 100-year curse!".

Even though it is maddingly frustrating to lose as well as listening to troll like yourself complain at whatever cost, I'm glad we finally have a management team that will stick to their plan and not give in to needy fans. I don't know about you, trust the actual baseball people before overzelous fans.

 

[patg006]

This is a vague statement right here. You claim a team that both develops a farm and spends on free agents will likely be successful? Well no shit, sherlock.

The problem is that the Cubs have never shown an ability to develop a farm. That is why the new regime came in and focused on that before anything else. In my lifetime, the attitude around the team has always been "Gotta win now to break the 100-year curse!".

Even though it is maddingly frustrating to lose as well as listening to troll like yourself complain at whatever cost, I'm glad we finally have a management team that will stick to their plan and not give in to needy fans. I don't know about you, trust the actual baseball people before overzelous fans.

Its not vague you fucktard. Smart teams like the Cardinals draft and develop guys like Molina and Pujols, sign Chris Carpenter and half of their bullpen, and make the right trade at the right time for guys like Wainwright, Rolen, and Holliday.

But you're the dipshit saying 'spending money period is an argument that gets old.'

YOu're an absolute moron if you think this management 'sticking to the plan' will win on farm alone. You put Theo on this pedestal like he's an absolute genius doing something no team would ever consider doing, IE building the farm. I cant wait for these kids to fail, one or two of them make it--and the team still be a 100 lose catastrophe.

I've watched this game long enough to know that the prospect 'trend' Theo is going on is no guarantee of success, especially immediate success. 2015 will turn into 2016. 2016 will deviate further from contention, but idiots like you dont want to try to win, you're perfectly content having top 5 picks. Sooner or later Boy Blunder has to figure out what balance is. You haven't a clue.......but balance is what happens when you mix the right amount of farm products with signings and traded commodities with the right coaching to blend the right team.

Theo has exactly 1 more season to prove he's not a fraud. If the cubs lose another 100 he should be fired. Period.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Because Joe Ricketts never said that Wrigley was a cash cow regardless of the product on the field.........................

Do you think I give a **** about what Joe Ricketts says? Is he supposed to say that Wrigley Field is indeed a cash cow? It would look completely unprofessional...

 

[dabynsky]

Its not vague you fucktard. Smart teams like the Cardinals draft and develop guys like Molina and Pujols, sign Chris Carpenter and half of their bullpen...

Chris Carpenter was a huge move for now for the Cardinals when he was signed. He was such a win now move that he didn't even throw a pitch for their major league team his entire first year signing with the team. I am sure I will get some whining that I pointed this out, but the Chris Carpenter signing was more like all the moves you ***** and moan that the Cubs have made in that it was a low risk/high reward move that paid huge dividends for the Cardinals.

and make the right trade at the right time for guys like Wainwright, Rolen, and Holliday.

That is the part we all agree on.

 

[CSF77]

Dempster was along the lines of Carpenter. The closest the Cubs can relate to this is resigning Baker.

All were buy low deals due to injury. Carpenter emerged post injury. He was not that guy with the Jays.

 

[The Bandit]

Source? Whether it was knee-jerk or not, the Cubs needed someone to eat innings, and our front office obviously saw something in him. Again, if anything was knee-jerk it was likely the dollar amount he was signed, not the signing in itself.

The whole thing was knee-jerk... like I said this has been discussed how many times here. We didn't get Sanchez and Theo gasped for air by getting Jackson. Do I like the signing? To much for what he is and we know what he is, but he was a need even though he was a complete knee-jerk.

 

[SilenceS]

The whole thing was knee-jerk... like I said this has been discussed how many times here. We didn't get Sanchez and Theo gasped for air by getting Jackson. Do I like the signing? To much for what he is and we know what he is, but he was a need even though he was a complete knee-jerk.

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