Time for the Bears give Tyson Bagent a real chance..

[Bearly]

I really don't understand why people are not giving him a chance here. Like what do the Bears have to lose? They are 1-5 and Fields is out and things look like absolute shit anyway. It's not like they are 8-8 and need a win to make the playoffs where Fields comes back and gives the Bears a chance in the playoffs.

I think they are playing the odds of QBs getting acquired the way he was and with reasonable skepticism. It's the implying that I think he's some sort of savior before showing it is my issue with that. Being way ahead of the curve doesn't mean he'll ever be a viable starter but being a UDFA doesn't negate that either, though those odds are obviously not in his favor. Once they make the roster they are more than just a UDFA though the hill is still steeper. We won't know what Bagent is until next year if he gets enough play time this one. It's looking like Fields may not be the destination so it would be nice to see if Bagent has some viability before the draft.

Posters like to 'read in' a lot on this board.

If I say I need to see more reps to have a good impression of a guy, some poster will imply that I think reps will cure anything or if I reference a RAS score, it will mean I think it's more important than play. Just silly contrarianism based on frustration or simply to instigate.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

"Time to let the backup play now that the starter's throwing hand is all fucked up"

Wow incredible and dare I say it brave analysis.

You won't be laughing when Flus goes with Peterman as the starter.

Neither will I.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Wtf did he show?

That he is very good at underthrowing the ball on deep throws, with a PI on one, a completion on the 2nd and a completion by the defense on the third.

 

[DaaBears]

Nobody knows how Bagent is going to do. When it comes to QB's everybody is much more wrong than they are right. The odds are certainly stacked against Bagent, but so far he has beaten those odds. There was no D1 school that wanted him, yet he is starting an NFL game next week, which is much further than 90% of D1 QBs ever get.

I got no expectations. Just going to watch the game.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

My thoughts exactly...he faced real pressure three times, fumble TD, punt duck Scott caught, punt duck int. His only drive was literally against soft D, due to Vikings pulling back after fumble TD....also he handed it off majority of drive.

With that said, I hope he succeeds and surprises us all...just don't think it's possible with this OC and oline

That fumble was not on him. He had instant pressure coming directly from an unblocked DT, he somehow escaped that DT, moving left then right to escape, had Mooney coming open but got sacked by the DE who was a free rusher because Borom fell without even touching the DE. Now he might have underthrown Mooney on that play anyway but we will never know.

Watch the video.

 

[Bearly]

That fumble was not on him. He had instant pressure coming directly from an unblocked DT, he somehow escaped that DT, moving left than right to escape, had Mooney coming open but got sacked by the DE who was a free rusher because Borom fell without even touching the DE. Now he might have underthrown Mooney on that play anyway but we will never know.

Watch the video.

It's funny that in some of those plays the narrator questioned Bagent's choices but he made them quickly enough that most worked out anyway.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Bagent won't be good, he's a DII undrafted rookie with a weak arm (by NFL standards) and average mobility. But I think he will probably show us where Fields struggles. And that is in his presnap ability to get quick easy stuff, and in his ability to just take what is there. He will also probably make a few huge mistakes.

Fields and Getsy had trouble figuring out protections and spotting blitzes. At least two of the sacks and probably more were from uncovered rushers and the protection wasn't changed at all, nor did Fields even look at the blitzer. Successful OCs and QBs don't do that regularly.

That 4th down pass to Scott was 100% the wrong throw to make in that situation. So "taking what's there" might not even be where he's going to excel over Justin. Same play was called earlier on a 3rd down and Justin hit Moore to move the chains.

There were free rushers with both Tyson and Justin, which makes me think it's schematic instead of one specific player. If the QB knows he can't trust the protection up front - nothing in the passing game will work. Bagent doesn't have the ability to overcome that. Getsy's about to get exposed bigtime.

 

[dennehy]

That 4th down pass to Scott was 100% the wrong throw to make in that situation. So "taking what's there" might not even be where he's going to excel over Justin. Same play was called earlier on a 3rd down and Justin hit Moore to move the chains.

There were free rushers with both Tyson and Justin, which makes me think it's schematic instead of one specific player. If the QB knows he can't trust the protection up front - nothing in the passing game will work. Bagent doesn't have the ability to overcome that. Getsy's about to get exposed bigtime.

What was the right play to make in that situation? The play was actually there, ball was high.

I'm not saying he's going to make the correct read or thrown in every situation. What I'm saying is that Fields struggles to just take the quick throw to get some yards. He struggles to throw before guys come open. He often struggles presnap.

Yes, there were free rushers with both, sometimes it's scheme, sometimes, it's poor blocking, sometimes it's the QBs fault. On the first play of the game it was on the QB. And probably several others, I haven't gone through the tape.

 

[knoxville7]

So 1st rounders get 3 years but this kid gets less than 1/2 a game after his 1st time using pro concepts against an NFL D and never practicing with the ones? Got it.

Nobody's crowned him. He looks better than he should even if the result was not great. He never held the ball too long, he distributed even if he didn't always make the best choice every time etc. He already manages the pocket better than Fields for instance. He deserves to be that next guy up as long as he needs to be and for the teams sake, it would be a lucky break if he shows he belongs.

Did I say that? No

That said, you even stated it’s his first time using pro concepts…that doesn’t bode well.

How long do we need to watch him float ducks up to the defense before it’s “fair” to declare him not the answer?? 3 years??

He did not look good, not even “better than he should” whatever the hell that means

He held the ball too long on his fumble, no?

It’s great that he’s able to distribute the ball, the problem is it’s to the other team

Manages the pocket better than fields doesn’t mean much, especially when he can’t escape the pocket like fields can and will need to behind this offensive line

I’m fine with him starting while fields is out(don’t have any other options really). But the guy ain’t the answer either

 

[Myk]

That he's worth more chances after getting actual starter practice reps. He's already way ahead of the curve considering where he came from and draft status. Doesn't mean he'll continue to develop but only one way to find out.

If you have to say "considering" then he's not good enough. You are lowering expectations. QB A has to be great. QB B can suck because he's not expected to be great.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Did I say that? No

That said, you even stated it’s his first time using pro concepts…that doesn’t bode well.

How long do we need to watch him float ducks up to the defense before it’s “fair” to declare him not the answer?? 3 years??

He did not look good, not even “better than he should” whatever the hell that means

He held the ball too long on his fumble, no?

It’s great that he’s able to distribute the ball, the problem is it’s to the other team

Manages the pocket better than fields doesn’t mean much, especially when he can’t escape the pocket like fields can and will need to behind this offensive line

I’m fine with him starting while fields is out(don’t have any other options really). But the guy ain’t the answer either

Hey probably isn't the answer. But you can't definitively say that after a half a game in his first action in the pros. The chances of any QB coming from D2 to the NFL and succeeding are low. He is no exception. Tony Romo's don't happen often. And even he didn't start until his 4th year. Imagine Romo playing right away in 2003 right out of Eastern Illinois lol.

 

[abegibronreborn]

Good read.. Totally agree.
Discuss.

Time for the Bears to sit Justin Fields and give Tyson Bagent a real chance

The undrafted rookie showed enough in his NFL debut Sunday to earn a start.

chicago.suntimes.com

I have no problem letting someone else have a crack at it at this point. The Bears aren't going anywhere this season, have literally nothing to lose, so why not give the kid a shot. He'll sink or swim, and after that we can have the next discussion.

When nothing you've done has worked so far, there is no point in not trying something different.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

If you have to say "considering" then he's not good enough. You are lowering expectations. QB A has to be great. QB B can suck because he's not expected to be great.

Yes to make it in the NFL that is correct. But if a QB makes the same mistake in their 1st game as someone who has been playing for 3 years, there is an understanding that it could take time to learn from those mistakes. The guy in year 3 likely is not going to if they haven't already. Yeah the score in THAT game still counts the same both ways.

 

[dbldrew]

Wtf did he show?

he showed about the same as QB1 showed.. difference was year 3 vs 1st game ever

 

[knoxville7]

Hey probably isn't the answer. But you can't definitively say that after a half a game in his first action in the pros. The chances of any QB coming from D2 to the NFL and succeeding are low. He is no exception. Tony Romo's don't happen often. And even he didn't start until his 4th year. Imagine Romo playing right away in 2003 right out of Eastern Illinois lol.

Soooo to summarize, we can’t definitively say that he isn’t the answer despite no D2 QB’s ever working out sans Tony Romo…got it!

There’s a reason the kid didn’t play D1 football, he wasn’t good enough. Yet, somehow CCSers think he’s good enough to play in the NFL.

I’m rooting for the kid, but cmon

 

[cameronkrazie86]

Wtf did he show?

- Effective at throwing quick, 2-3 yard passes (which oddly enough, is something Getsy loves to do) but on 1st down instead of 3rd and long.
- Ran a QB sneak that actually worked - a modern day miracle.
- Had a nice throw over the middle to DJ.
- The ability to throw ducks.
- The willingness to throw the ultimate YOLO balls.
- Kept in place the offense's consistency to commit high impact turnovers

Despite my half-serious, half-joking comments, I actually do hope he does well. I will forever be a fan of Justin's even if it hasn't worked out here in Chicago how any of us hoped. I really just want to watch some competent offense. It has been a tough year for me having to watch Nebraska football and the Bears attempt to play offense. Thank god for Duke football.

 

[Bearly]

Did I say that? No

That said, you even stated it’s his first time using pro concepts…that doesn’t bode well.

How long do we need to watch him float ducks up to the defense before it’s “fair” to declare him not the answer?? 3 years??

He did not look good, not even “better than he should” whatever the hell that means

He held the ball too long on his fumble, no?

It’s great that he’s able to distribute the ball, the problem is it’s to the other team

Manages the pocket better than fields doesn’t mean much, especially when he can’t escape the pocket like fields can and will need to behind this offensive line

I’m fine with him starting while fields is out(don’t have any other options really). But the guy ain’t the answer either

He's #2 and took a couple vet's job to be that. The Bear took a financial hit to do it as well so they also see more than you do. Will he ever be starter material? I have no idea but no, he didn't hold the ball to long when he fumbled and was in the process of squaring up to throw. his arm strength is fine.

 

[sevvy]

How many times do you think Maxx Crosby is just completely unblocked this Sunday?

 

[truthbedamned]

He's #2 and took a couple vet's job to be that. The Bear took a financial hit to do it as well so they also see more than you do. Will he ever be starter material? I have no idea but no, he didn't hold the ball to long when he fumbled and was in the process of squaring up to throw and his arm strength is fine.

I am curious where this "noodle arm" idea even started.

 

[Bearly]

I am curious where this "noodle arm" idea even started.

He's not as strong as Fields or Cutler but stronger than some NFL starters.