Time to put the “1 year rebuild” bs to bed

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This! But they refuse to see it and are rooting for losses. With the time it will take to rebuild, they might as well draft another QB. And get a new Coach and maybe GM
People try to bring up teams in the past that went from last in their division to making the playoffs the next year. Those teams didn’t trade away three of their best players the year prior to making the playoffs.

Those teams were shit for years, getting a top 10 pick, many a top 5, for years before they eventually got to the playoffs again
 

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I think they will entertain trade offers on Fields. If you can get another 2023 first plus a bit more then you can take your QB at # 2 which buys you 5 years of rookie contract. The truth is that Fields is already going on year 3. Winning has a lot to do with luck but also timing.
 

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draft quarterback; make Fields RB1. #profit
 

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What are you really arguing? That our players suck and people shouldn’t want more draft options so you can continue to complain?
No, don’t rebuild, don’t get rid of your best players. And win some games, look at the Steelers with the state they were in, and can be in the playoffs. Because they have an actual head coach and system.
Playing to lose will never build a winner.
 

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Here's the thing.

The league is built on parity. The worst team can usually get into the playoffs with one good offseason.

Is this team going to be a Super bowl contender in one year?

Hell no.

But with our cap situation, we definitely can compete for the bottom two playoff spots. Won't get too far, but it's not unrealistic to think with some smart moves, Bears are in that conversation.
And people will ***** and complain because the bottom 2 spots will mean 1 and done lol. I wanna make the playoffs every year win or lose I've seen the bears tank for almost the last 35 years and not on purpose. When has it ever made a difference on where we pick? I wanna win that's all I could care less about draft picks or positions, going into the off-season losing 10 games in a row does far more damage to the teams morale than people realize.
 

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IMO it depends what you consider a 1 year rebuild. Making the playoffs? Teams turn it around in a single off-season countless times and there is no reason the Bears can't build a team competent enough to be in that race next season. Now if we're talking 1 year rebuild into contender, then that's a lot less likely. What I think we need to do is:

- Trade #1 or #2 for a absolute haul that includes future 1st(s).
- Still draft high enough to give yourself the best chance at being able to get a star player
- Make the OL average at the absolute minimum
- Use 3rd rounders and later on development OL. While the Bears have a history of starting that mid round OL before they are ready, others develop them correctly and eventually turn them into starters. At least at a higher rate than the Bears traditionally have
- Trade a mid round pick for an older WR1 like Hopkins or whoever could be available. We need Fields to have one receiver that can bail him out, while he develops as a starter
- Make some moves to add important players to the front 7. It's really bad right now, so they need to figure out how to allocate cap space and draft capital to legitimize the front 7, but also not forgetting about the need to build that OL

There's a lot that needs to get done but that's what happens when you're picking in the top 2.
 

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Although, I agree with the sentiment, I have to see the off-season first. This off-season is going to be the very telling. There are so many paths the bears could take. I could even see scenarios where we trade fields and still get better next season. I’m on the fence on whether we should or not at this point. I think his value could be highest right now, but I could also see him dominating next year.

Or maybe the Front Office are just being cheap a holes and they don’t plan on paying players.
 

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Who expected this to be a one year rebuild? No one said that and OP is moving goal posts. If everyone has been waiting for free agency and the draft capital to be bigger, then this offseason would be just the start
 

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Halfway thru the season there were still many people here expecting the bears to be competitive next year, with a chance at the playoffs.

Even with $130 mil in FA, you’ll still only be able to upgrade a handful of positions. And poles drafting so far looks questionable at best.

I have to imagine, by now, you finally realize this team is multiple offseasons from even being middle of the pack, right?

Justin Jones is the 2nd highest paid player on the active roster at 4,600,000...
Al Muhammad is the 5th highest paid player at 3.5m...

Just by numbers, I'm not sure how competitive they're supposed to be when they're currently allocating a third of what everyone else has to the team. Adding 130m to what they fielded yesterday and the team should improve.
 

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Halfway thru the season there were still many people here expecting the bears to be competitive next year, with a chance at the playoffs.

Even with $130 mil in FA, you’ll still only be able to upgrade a handful of positions. And poles drafting so far looks questionable at best.

I have to imagine, by now, you finally realize this team is multiple offseasons from even being middle of the pack, right?
The NFL isn’t designed to need multiple years to rebuild a team. Going from bad to playoffs happens every single year. If the bears cannot do it then it’s a failure on Poles and Eberflus. Have some expectations
 

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Bears apologists before the season: "It's more like a re-tool, not a rebuild."

Bears apologists now: "This is clearly a multi-year rebuild, and it's all Ryan Pace's fault."
 

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Bears apologists before the season: "It's more like a re-tool, not a rebuild."

Bears apologists now: "This is clearly a multi-year rebuild, and it's all Ryan Pace's fault."
dude I don’t know if it’s unique to the bears but somehow this organization made their biggest propagandists the fans. They don’t have to do any damage control because the fans just buy in to everything
 

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2-3 years at least. And by that maybe Fields is not as athletic or burned out. It was a great chance to develop him and improve his passing, but no, just let him run all over the field.
This is why it was important **this year** to give your young quarterback players to protect him and receivers to throw to. The Bears don't get extra credit for spending that money next year instead of this past offseason.

Can anyone truly say Justin Fields made major strides this year as a passer? He improved, yes, and he showed himself to be the most athletic QB in the league---awesome. But the improvement in the passing game has been minimal-to-barely-moderate.

Could that valuable year of development been better with better weapons and a better line? Without a doubt.
 

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The NFL isn’t designed to need multiple years to rebuild a team. Going from bad to playoffs happens every single year. If the bears cannot do it then it’s a failure on Poles and Eberflus. Have some expectations

Was this before or after they broke it down to the studs and traded away Roquan?

I quoted the wrong guy. @Toast88 is who it was intended for
 

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Was this before or after they broke it down to the studs and traded away Roquan?

I quoted the wrong guy. @Toast88 is who it was intended for
He had every opportunity to spread out spending and work on needs. If he cannot accomplish it all this off-season then he should’ve signed some players last offseason too. You don’t get 3 years to build a winner. Sign or draft a fucking WR. Look in Pittsburgh it seems to be working out great with Pickens. Whatever I’m going to wait and see what he does but in my mind as a fan, I’m not giving him free offseasons.
 

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Who expected this to be a one year rebuild? No one said that and OP is moving goal posts. If everyone has been waiting for free agency and the draft capital to be bigger, then this offseason would be just the start
There are multiple threads where people are downplaying this horrific season because they are expecting a playoff contending team next season.

Hell, there’s multiple posters in this thread saying it. ? ? ?
 

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Here's the thing. The Bears could be good next year or they could be bad. It all depends on if Poles gets the right pieces and if Fields continues to grow.
 

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The bears can be competitive next year, depending on the moves they make. Fans have already dissected this, but let's hammer home that prioritizing the $$$ the bears walk into the offseason with is critical based on what appears to now be available vs what will be available in FA, then the draft has to be treated separately, like the positions you cant buy in FA. Simple, right?

DE and DT, particularly 3T can be bought. If the bears want to contend next year, they buy these two spots, ideally Da'Ron Payne and a younger DE like Davenport from NO or Ebukam from SF. Then 2nd/mid-rounds should be more depth for the DL, looking for guys like Brandon Dorlus and DJ Johnson from Oregon, Calijah Kancey from Pitt, Mazi Smith from Michigan, the other DT not named Breese from Clemson, and a few more names that fit the mold of 3T more than NT.

C, for now, looks like it can be bought in FA. But John Michael Schmitz, the OO guy from Michigan (I'm too lazy to find his full name), and the kid Forscythe from Oregon aren't bad early-mid round options.

LT absolutely cannot be bought, and don't @ me with bUt OrLaNdO bRoWn or gIvE bRaXtOn JoNeS cOmPeTiTiOn. Brown turned down Trent Williams money from KC before taking a shit this year with his play. Braxton Jones got exposed again. For a 5th round rookie, he's impressive and you want to root for him given expectation and how much dead cap the bears are eating vs how much they're actually spending on offense this year. But if you're talking starting quality LT, LOL if you think Braxton Jones is one. He isn't. Draft one--and if he has any future at starter in this league in a modern, competent offense--time to move Jones to Guard. 1st round pick for the LT. I get its not sexy for some fans here, but unless the bears do, we're going to see much of the same turnstile play we do this year, especially yesterday. You want a modern offense around Fields, and mostly not to see him get killed on a 3/5 step drop, that's where it starts.

WR depth can be bought, but a true X probably can't be unless you trade big assets for it. Mooney comes back, Claypool you're stuck with and maybe he learns the playbook instead of looking angry throwing his helmet on the sidelines like yesterday when he didn't know his assignment and got benched certain plays. I believe ESB should stay given he's the best blocking WR in football, only costed 4 mil this year and should be about the same, maybe more on a 2-3 year extension. I'd give N'Keal Harry another shot because he's flashed, but he's too inconsistent with the coaches. If he wasn't hurt, he was inactive--and usually that means the coaches know something we dont.

Buying a DT/DE while drafting impact offensive spots like LT/WR/pass catching TE/OC early turns the trajectory of this team around. A playoff team? That's a tall order where health is a huge factor and we just can't predict that now, but it'll be a hell of a lot better than a 3 win team.
 

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There are multiple threads where people are downplaying this horrific season because they are expecting a playoff contending team next season.

Hell, there’s multiple posters in this thread saying it. ? ? ?

so having the least amount of money invested into a roster, the most dead money all season isn't telling you that its going to be a bad season? your guess is the same as anyone else's about next year. until the roster is built upon in the offseason, you have no idea what it will look like
 

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The NFL isn’t designed to need multiple years to rebuild a team. Going from bad to playoffs happens every single year. If the bears cannot do it then it’s a failure on Poles and Eberflus. Have some expectations

Correct. With the most cap space in the league and a complete set of high draft picks we should see massive improvement next year. It really depends on what your definition of success is.

In 2022 I thought success could be defined as Fields taking a giant step forward because the offensive was designed around his skill set. I'm not sure 2022 was successful under those terms.

In 2023 I'd define success as the Bears hanging around the last playoff spot late in the season and Fields going from a guy who can run it to a guy who can throw it. If he's here, next year Fields needs to be throwing the ball for 250+ yards and multiple TD's per game.
 

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