Time to put the “1 year rebuild” bs to bed

[BaBaBlacksheep]

The NFL isn’t designed to need multiple years to rebuild a team. Going from bad to playoffs happens every single year. If the bears cannot do it then it’s a failure on Poles and Eberflus. Have some expectations

So fucking tired of this.

 

[Nelly]

The 8-8 Lions and Packers are in the playoff hunt. That's about what I expect from this team next year.

Keep in mind this was a bottom 5 talented team going into the season that suffered a rash of injuries. Of course we're bad right now, and we'll be better off in the long run for it. 3 big additions on the D-line alone make a huge difference with promising players in Gordon, Brisker, Johnson and Jackson on the back-end, and Sanborn looking like an NFL player. Give me Carter + Payne + one of the nice DE FA acqusitions and even simply re-sign Morrow to another one year deal and this defense gets a whole hell of a lot better.

 

[doctorbear]

So fucking tired of this.

He will have had 2 off seasons. Not 1. There’s no reason you cannot tear down and add pieces at the same time. This isn’t going to be his first offseason. I’m not giving him 1 off-season. Teams do NOT need 3 offseasons to be a good team. The NFL isn’t designed for this. Bears are specialists in hanging on to bad coaches and GMs for too long.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

He will have had 2 off seasons. Not 1. There’s no reason you cannot tear down and add pieces at the same time. This isn’t going to be his first offseason. I’m not giving him 1 off-season. Teams do NOT need 3 offseasons to be a good team. The NFL isn’t designed for this. Bears are specialists in hanging on to bad coaches and GMs for too long.

Hard to do with no 1st round picks or money to spend.

 

[remydat]

Add Ngakoue, and 2 of Payne, Jones, Hargrave on DL. Add Pocic at Center and McGlinchey or McGary at RT.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

A big pay off of having a starting QB on a rookie contract is all the additional cap flexi you then have to fill in the rest of the roster.

But this team is truly too bad to take advantage of that before Fields last year at the earliest. And then we'd have to pay Fields huge money.

This is another reason I would strongly consider Bryce Young if he's available. You get to reset the "cheap QB" clock.

 

[Payton!34]

I believe Poles had or has the right strategy for the team but the implementation hasn’t been up to snuff but we will really see after this next season.

The Flus hiring alone is questionable in todays game and franchise who have had middling offenses at best for the past 37 years or so!

 

[dabears70]

Add Ngakoue, and 2 of Payne, Jones, Hargrave on DL. Add Pocic at Center and McGlinchey or McGary at RT.

Is that all? You do know there will be multiple other teams bidding on each of those players right? It's not as easy as writing it in a post on a message board.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Who expected this to be a one year rebuild? No one said that and OP is moving goal posts. If everyone has been waiting for free agency and the draft capital to be bigger, then this offseason would be just the start

I’m sure a couple of posters thought that it but they were in the minority. I’ve always thought 2024 was more of a realistic expectation to challenge for the NFC North title. Next season should be an arrow pointing up season and not be so obvious with the tank.

 

[Toast88]

There are multiple threads where people are downplaying this horrific season because they are expecting a playoff contending team next season.

Hell, there’s multiple posters in this thread saying it. ? ? ?

It was also justification for not spending any money on o-line protection or the receiving corps. "They'll just spend all that money and get all those guys NEXT offseason when they'll actually be able to contend."

 

[dabears70]

I believe Poles had or has the right strategy for the team but the implementation hasn’t been up to snuff but we will really see after this next season.

The Flus hiring alone is questionable in todays game and franchise who have had middling offenses at best for the past 37 years or so!

Yeah i don't mind the way Poles is going about doing this rebuild, but i damn sure am nervous about if he's able to bring the right players in and give out the right contracts after how badly he's done with his signings and trades so far.

 

[remydat]

Is that all? You do know there will be multiple other teams bidding on each of those players right? It's not as easy as writing it in a post on a message board.

Oh really. I had no idea. SMH!

 

[Enasic]

not all rebuilds are created equal. This was never a 1 year rebuild but some fans convinced themselves otherwise.

I’m not convinced it’s a one year rebuild, but it’s happening

 

[Enasic]

Add Ngakoue, and 2 of Payne, Jones, Hargrave on DL. Add Pocic at Center and McGlinchey or McGary at RT.

I like this but also wouldn’t be opposed to trading down, selecting Paris Johnson Jr and moving Braxton to RT. Still a bit skeptical of McGary and hasn’t McGlinchey struggled this year? Go big and sign Barkley. Even with a better OL and another WR, the identify of this team is still going to be a running team.

 

[remydat]

I like this but also wouldn’t be opposed to trading down, selecting Paris Johnson Jr and moving Braxton to RT. Still a bit skeptical of McGary and hasn’t McGlinchey struggled this year? Go big and sign Barkley. Even with a better OL and another WR, the identify of this team is still going to be a running team.

Doing the above allows you to trade down IMO and then just go BPA.

 

[Calabis]

The bears can be competitive next year, depending on the moves they make. Fans have already dissected this, but let's hammer home that prioritizing the $$$ the bears walk into the offseason with is critical based on what appears to now be available vs what will be available in FA, then the draft has to be treated separately, like the positions you cant buy in FA. Simple, right?

DE and DT, particularly 3T can be bought. If the bears want to contend next year, they buy these two spots, ideally Da'Ron Payne and a younger DE like Davenport from NO or Ebukam from SF. Then 2nd/mid-rounds should be more depth for the DL, looking for guys like Brandon Dorlus and DJ Johnson from Oregon, Calijah Kancey from Pitt, Mazi Smith from Michigan, the other DT not named Breese from Clemson, and a few more names that fit the mold of 3T more than NT.

C, for now, looks like it can be bought in FA. But John Michael Schmitz, the OO guy from Michigan (I'm too lazy to find his full name), and the kid Forscythe from Oregon aren't bad early-mid round options.

LT absolutely cannot be bought, and don't @ me with bUt OrLaNdO bRoWn or gIvE bRaXtOn JoNeS cOmPeTiTiOn. Brown turned down Trent Williams money from KC before taking a shit this year with his play. Braxton Jones got exposed again. For a 5th round rookie, he's impressive and you want to root for him given expectation and how much dead cap the bears are eating vs how much they're actually spending on offense this year. But if you're talking starting quality LT, LOL if you think Braxton Jones is one. He isn't. Draft one--and if he has any future at starter in this league in a modern, competent offense--time to move Jones to Guard. 1st round pick for the LT. I get its not sexy for some fans here, but unless the bears do, we're going to see much of the same turnstile play we do this year, especially yesterday. You want a modern offense around Fields, and mostly not to see him get killed on a 3/5 step drop, that's where it starts.

WR depth can be bought, but a true X probably can't be unless you trade big assets for it. Mooney comes back, Claypool you're stuck with and maybe he learns the playbook instead of looking angry throwing his helmet on the sidelines like yesterday when he didn't know his assignment and got benched certain plays. I believe ESB should stay given he's the best blocking WR in football, only costed 4 mil this year and should be about the same, maybe more on a 2-3 year extension. I'd give N'Keal Harry another shot because he's flashed, but he's too inconsistent with the coaches. If he wasn't hurt, he was inactive--and usually that means the coaches know something we dont.

Buying a DT/DE while drafting impact offensive spots like LT/WR/pass catching TE/OC early turns the trajectory of this team around. A playoff team? That's a tall order where health is a huge factor and we just can't predict that now, but it'll be a hell of a lot better than a 3 win team.

I agree. I think there are some moves that can be made in FA, with draft and make us competitive.


Safeties: Jackson and Brisker

DBs: Johnson, Gordon, Jones/?

LBs: Draft: Eichenberg (Will), Sanborn , Morrow/Adams

DE: Gipson, Robinson, Draft: Anderson? or FA: Yannick Ngakoue

DT: FA: Payne(#1 priority in FA), Draft: Carter or sign another FA: Gaines or Hoecht (Rams) or Bryan(Browns)


QB: Fields, Simean, Draft: Later rounds or undrafted

RB: Re-Sign: Monty...... if not Herbert, Evans, Ebner Draft: Kenny McIntosh or Ibrahim

WR: Claypool, Mooney, Henry, FA: JuJu Smith-Schuster(Chiefs) and Myers(Patriots), Draft: Rice, Downs or Flowers
(Higgins or Hopkins if cut or price is right)

TE: Kmet, FA: Moreau(Raiders) or Smith(Vikings)

T: Jones, Reiff, Leatherwood, Borom, FA: McGlinchey 49ers

G: Whitehair, Jenkins, Eiselen, FA: Reisner(Broncos)

C: FA: Bradbury(Vikings) or Draft, Patrick(C/G)

 

[doctorbear]

Hard to do with no 1st round picks or money to spend.

Ok fine so we give him three whole offseasons. If the bears don’t make the playoffs in 2024, is it a clean house scenario? Or does he gets a fourth offseason?

 

[bamainatlanta]

Doing the above allows you to trade down IMO and then just go BPA.

Well good thing this team can go BPA and fill a roster need.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Ok fine so we give him three whole offseasons. If the bears don’t make the playoffs in 2024, is it a clean house scenario? Or does he gets a fourth offseason?

Three seems reasonable to me.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Three seems reasonable to me.

Yes but if next season is like this season, then there shouldn’t be a year 3. No more tanking in 2023