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Then give me a REALISTIC 3B name that was better than Jeimer on the market. Hint: there isn't one.
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Why do you keep ignoring that he isn't only talking about 3b?
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He's hitting .250 with nominal power and an average glove on a career year.....Hell, the combo of Madrigal and Wisdom can duplicate that.
Who needs him....worthless trade.
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Ok then include first basement, my point still stands.
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As a left handed hitter he is 20 wrc+ higher than anyone on our roster. That isn't minor.
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Cuas is 29 but he's a converted infielder so he still developing. Sidewinder with some good sinking stuff.
He has a great story, he almost quit baseball during the pandemic when released from minors, he was working as a FedEx delivery man, occasionally pitching to his brother in a public park in Queens who encouraged him to take another shot at it
He has a great story, he almost quit baseball during the pandemic when released from minors, he was working as a FedEx delivery man, occasionally pitching to his brother in a public park in Queens who encouraged him to take another shot at it
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Or SP. Honestly corner OF could easily be improved too
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He has not had better years. 2020 was the Covid short season, super small sample size
This is his best season of an average career at best. And we bought it on the high end, never a good idea from a value standpoint
It’s like stocks, imagine buying stocks only when they are at all time highs. You are better off buying the dip
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Man, you really are dense
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Not dense, just waiting for you to name one. And tell me the price tag for it. IF you can claim there is a better move then you have to back it up.
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The fact that you don’t think there was a guy out there with team control that plays 1B, 3B, or pitches, tell me all I need to know about your mental capacity. There’s no point in discussing with you when you cannot comprehend basic and simple things like multiple positions being available
But, without putting any work in I can tell you a guy like Ty France would have been a better target. Similar quality hitter to Jeimer, but has two more years of team control after this season and France was an all star last year
If I felt like it, I could compile quite a list of guys but you’re not worth it. So there was just one to “prove” to you it could be done
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Maybe he should head over to those "smart" forums he claims to visit. As far as Candyass, even if he was the best available...I still wouldn't want him at any price. He is just another of Hoyer's 30ish past your Prime Time Players which is closing in on 20 now. Nice rebuild, Jed. Welcome to the Kenny Williams School of retooling.
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I’d be fine if candy had a year or two more of team control. Going the rental route with this roster just doesn’t make much sense to me
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I thought the plan was to bring in all these one year wonders and dump them at the deadline. The only guy he got rid of was DFA'd. What's he gonna do with all these stiffs?
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France woulda cost a hell of a lot more than what Candelario did
you have to factor in that other teams dont like to give their players away for nothin
you have to factor in that other teams dont like to give their players away for nothin
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Cost absolutely needs to be factored in and it’s apparent that some are not doing so.
But the actual cost of a trade not made is speculative so it’s hard to be sure.
It’s certainly understandable to not want rental players on this roster which isn’t close to “win now” mode.
And it’s also understandable to not want players over 30 for the same reason.
Oddly, when they’re both, it’s not worth worrying about.
The issue here is the the Cubs can justify buying a Candelario level player by suggesting the prospect cost of acquiring someone better is too high for this roster. But that flies in the face of the decision to keep Bellinger.
By not acquiring prospects for Bellinger you’ve paid the same price at a time when your chances of winning it all are slim and none.
There may be some value down the road in FA to show that you went for it. That’s what the Angels are gambling on. But that’s no sure thing.
But the actual cost of a trade not made is speculative so it’s hard to be sure.
It’s certainly understandable to not want rental players on this roster which isn’t close to “win now” mode.
And it’s also understandable to not want players over 30 for the same reason.
Oddly, when they’re both, it’s not worth worrying about.
The issue here is the the Cubs can justify buying a Candelario level player by suggesting the prospect cost of acquiring someone better is too high for this roster. But that flies in the face of the decision to keep Bellinger.
By not acquiring prospects for Bellinger you’ve paid the same price at a time when your chances of winning it all are slim and none.
There may be some value down the road in FA to show that you went for it. That’s what the Angels are gambling on. But that’s no sure thing.
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Meanwhile Rich Hill is trying to become the Ryan Fitzpatrick of baseball.
He joins yet another new team, this time the Padres.
It may help SD, but I sometimes think Preller makes moves just to say he did.
He joins yet another new team, this time the Padres.
It may help SD, but I sometimes think Preller makes moves just to say he did.
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Cost is being factored in. Everyone here I think comprehends that to get a good player on team control, means parting with better prospect(s) than Herz.
What bothers me and others is giving up guys like Herz for a couple months of a slightly above average player for a roster that isn’t winning anything of note this year. At the end of this season, cubs will lose candy and will have lost Herz and Made. Whereas, they could have a guy left over to show for it still
I much rather would give up prospect(s) above Herz to get a good player with team control
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Don't forget Stroman. What's happening now is the balancing of the scales...his numbers are evening out to the mean. Anyone familiar with him knows he's at best a #3 or 4...he was pitching like a #1. An affordable starter pitching out of his ass. Hoyer blew his chance so badly that he will get nothing for him. So all the aging crap he brought in here will pay off in a big fat zero. Good job....
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Understood.
I don’t have strong feelings about the Candelario trade, one way or the other. I would’ve been OK had they not been able to make it but I am glad to bring in someone to replace wisdom because I’m looking at it as though we traded guys who weren’t going to be adding to the future anyway.
But I certainly agree that when we go into 2024 and don’t have any of those guys it looks worse. We may not have given up top prospects, but the cost was not zero so I certainly get that point.
At the end of the day, we did not acquire anything fabulous and we did not trade away anything fabulous and this is not a year we’re going to contend so even if I don’t agree with the approach, I also I’m not terribly upset because I don’t think it’s got any future impact worth getting worried about.
If they were giving up real prospects in a year that they can’t contend, I’d be upset. And if they were truly in contention and not making moves, I might be upset. But neither of those are the situation and it’s just a whole lot of nothing.