Trade Idea

[clonetrooper264]

and denvers system doesn't benefit afflalo?? the numbers would certainly say that green is having the superior year to afflalo

I'd argue that whatever Denver is doing now is certainly not as good as the last time he was there. And Phoenix's system definitely benefits Green. Just look at the number spike from previous years. They're a run and gun team and he's a run and gun player.

Green is definitely having a good year scoring the ball regardless of the system. He leads Phoenix in scoring per 36. My guess is that he's jacking up a ton of shots in his 22 minutes (his FGA is almost the same as Afflalo who plays about 11 minutes more) which is helping his case there.

Up year for Green and somewhat down for Afflalo. One thing I will say for Afflalo is that he is a proven defensive commodity and he hits clutch shots. If we're talking perimeter defense, I'm taking Afflalo, even if he is double the price. To make the money work you'd have to add in a small contract like Bairstow, but whatever at that point. To your credit, Green is definitely the easier player to get salary wise.

 

[knoxville7]

I'd argue that whatever Denver is doing now is certainly not as good as the last time he was there. And Phoenix's system definitely benefits Green. Just look at the number spike from previous years. They're a run and gun team and he's a run and gun player.

Green is definitely having a good year scoring the ball regardless of the system. He leads Phoenix in scoring per 36. My guess is that he's jacking up a ton of shots in his 22 minutes (his FGA is almost the same as Afflalo who plays about 11 minutes more) which is helping his case there.

Up year for Green and somewhat down for Afflalo. One thing I will say for Afflalo is that he is a proven defensive commodity and he hits clutch shots. If we're talking perimeter defense, I'm taking Afflalo, even if he is double the price. To make the money work you'd have to add in a small contract like Bairstow, but whatever at that point. To your credit, Green is definitely the easier player to get salary wise.

the main difference is you have to give up Dunleavy to get afflalo whereas you don't have to give up Dunleavy to get green

 

[clonetrooper264]

the main difference is you have to give up Dunleavy to get afflalo whereas you don't have to give up Dunleavy to get green

Well Afflalo is way better than Dunleavy so that doesn't bother me. Your SF depth doesn't get any worse as Afflalo can play SF as well.

I suppose in the theoretical Snell/Moore trade then yeah you get a plus at wing depth, but imo Afflalo is the better player who could definitely put this team over the top.

 

[knoxville7]

Well Afflalo is way better than Dunleavy so that doesn't bother me. Your SF depth doesn't get any worse as Afflalo can play SF as well.

I suppose in the theoretical Snell/Moore trade then yeah you get a plus at wing depth, but imo Afflalo is the better player who could definitely put this team over the top.

not sure why you think afflalo puts em over the top and green doesn't but that's your opinion to have

 

[Axl Rose]

Well Afflalo is way better than Dunleavy so that doesn't bother me. Your SF depth doesn't get any worse as Afflalo can play SF as well.

I suppose in the theoretical Snell/Moore trade then yeah you get a plus at wing depth, but imo Afflalo is the better player who could definitely put this team over the top.

Rose
Afflalo
Butler
Gasol
Noah

Jesus take the wheel

 

[clonetrooper264]

not sure why you think afflalo puts em over the top and green doesn't but that's your opinion to have

Everything Green can do Afflalo can do at least as well. Except dunk I guess. His shooting numbers are a little down this season, but in past seasons he's been around 40% from 3, which is obviously very good. Green's been around 40% in Phoenix and New Jersey as well. So let's say they're about the same level of 3pt shooter. Afflalo's overall shooting percentage is a bit higher than Green's (~44-45% compared to ~42-43%). Afflalo is not a ball dominant player though as it seems Green is. Afflalo's usage percentage is way lower for career and even taking his Orlando years is lower than Green's for the most part. Green's worst year in usage is almost as high as Afflalo's highest. Imo that makes him a better fit as he could be playing with 3 ball dominant players at once. Green doesn't have that issue in Phoenix as Gragic, Thomas, and Bledsoe don't often play at the same time as him. Would Green be as effective without touching the ball as much or would he end up like he did in Indiana? Hard to say.

Defensively though I think is where Afflalo gets the edge and is why makes twice what Green makes. The stats don't necessarily show it, but Afflalo is one of the league's best perimeter defenders. That's his reputation. He's not really a household name, but when people think of Afflalo they think of his defense. Green is not on that level. Green is certainly not a bad defender, but he's not as good as Afflalo. To me that's an objective truth.

So if you think Green would put them over the top, I have no idea why you wouldn't also think that Afflalo puts them over the top.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Rose
Afflalo
Butler
Gasol
Noah

Jesus take the wheel

There are literally no holes in this lineup. Everyone is a two way player and everyone can create some form of offense. If only it were a reality.

 

[knoxville7]

Everything Green can do Afflalo can do at least as well. Except dunk I guess. His shooting numbers are a little down this season, but in past seasons he's been around 40% from 3, which is obviously very good. Green's been around 40% in Phoenix and New Jersey as well. So let's say they're about the same level of 3pt shooter. Afflalo's overall shooting percentage is a bit higher than Green's (~44-45% compared to ~42-43%). Afflalo is not a ball dominant player though as it seems Green is. Afflalo's usage percentage is way lower for career and even taking his Orlando years is lower than Green's for the most part. Green's worst year in usage is almost as high as Afflalo's highest. Imo that makes him a better fit as he could be playing with 3 ball dominant players at once. Green doesn't have that issue in Phoenix as Gragic, Thomas, and Bledsoe don't often play at the same time as him. Would Green be as effective without touching the ball as much or would he end up like he did in Indiana? Hard to say.

Defensively though I think is where Afflalo gets the edge and is why makes twice what Green makes. The stats don't necessarily show it, but Afflalo is one of the league's best perimeter defenders. That's his reputation. He's not really a household name, but when people think of Afflalo they think of his defense. Green is not on that level. Green is certainly not a bad defender, but he's not as good as Afflalo. To me that's an objective truth.

So if you think Green would put them over the top, I have no idea why you wouldn't also think that Afflalo puts them over the top.

i never said afflalo wouldn't put them over the top, he would. just as green would and green is much easier to acquire and you wouldn't have to give up Dunleavy to get green.

and the fact that he doesn't play with the scorers on the court at the same time as him....isn't that a reason why his shot totals might be high? he is looked to for scoring when on the court. he wouldn't have to be a scorer on the bulls(and neither would afflalo), just make the smart play and i think both players are capable of providing that.

in the end i would(like you i presume) say they are pretty equal players, green just seems easier to get IMO

 

[clonetrooper264]

i never said afflalo wouldn't put them over the top, he would. just as green would and green is much easier to acquire and you wouldn't have to give up Dunleavy to get green.

and the fact that he doesn't play with the scorers on the court at the same time as him....isn't that a reason why his shot totals might be high? he is looked to for scoring when on the court. he wouldn't have to be a scorer on the bulls(and neither would afflalo), just make the smart play and i think both players are capable of providing that.

in the end i would(like you i presume) say they are pretty equal players, green just seems easier to get IMO

I guess to me Afflalo is better than Green therefore losing Dunleavy is fine. Imo Green's offensive production would be relegated to how well can he play the role of spot up shooter and idk if he will play as well that way whereas I know for a fact Afflalo can do that well. And then on defense I think Afflalo wins by a landslide so I'm thinking Afflalo all the way given the choice.

Again, you're totally right that Green is easier to get. I just think that without the green light to shoot all the time, much of the reasons you believe he would put us over the top are somewhat negated.

 

[clonetrooper264]

And going back to what was mentioned like on page 1 or 2, if you're going to make a trade, you might as well do it for someone who will for sure put us over the top. Imo Green is a question mark to do that while Afflalo is a sure thing. This is because of their play styles and Afflalo's defensive ability. Probably being overly repetitive, but whatever.

 

[Shepard]

While I'm sure the Bulls will do their diligence and see what is available- the chances of the Bulls making a move while this team is coming together are slim to none.

The only name I could see the Bulls really looking at right now is Harrison Barnes.

 

[clonetrooper264]

While I'm sure the Bulls will do their diligence and see what is available- the chances of the Bulls making a move while this team is coming together are slim to none.

The only name I could see the Bulls really looking at right now is Harrison Barnes.

Why? Did GS give up on him or something?

 

[Bear Pride]

While I'm sure the Bulls will do their diligence and see what is available- the chances of the Bulls making a move while this team is coming together are slim to none.

The only name I could see the Bulls really looking at right now is Harrison Barnes.

Exactly, the main point being that a trade now is premature, like I said originally. The Cavs made a trade now cuz they are desperate. The Bulls don't need to do that. Niko could very well prove to be a major asset at the 3, as I also said would happen.

The Bulls are still figuring out what's best for them, and in no way, need to make a move this early. Period. End of conversation.

 

[JosMin]

Why? Did GS give up on him or something?

He's playing 30 minutes a night. If anyone on that team would be traded, it's David Lee.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

I wont advocate ruining what looks like being good chemistry right now. But how would any of these moves everyone is suggesting effect us retaining Butler? Is the team at a point jerry would go into luxury tax?

 

[Axl Rose]

I wont advocate ruining what looks like being good chemistry right now. But how would any of these moves everyone is suggesting effect us retaining Butler? Is the team at a point jerry would go into luxury tax?

trading for Afflalo or Green would not hurt us in resigning Jimmy

Green is expiring and Afflalo has a player option hes not likely to pick up

Jerry should pay up regardless

 

[Xplosive]

Dunleavy/Snell/1st for Arron Afflalo is the move to make

perfect fit

its just depends on what kind of outlook Denver has on this season and if they think they could do something (they can't)...other wise getting a first for a guy thats a UFA this summer would be a good deal

This had to be a joke, why in the hell would Denver make that trade?

 

[Xplosive]

Not sure how Phoenix feels about their season or how they will feel about it come trade deadline time. but the bulls should look into trading for Gerald green for wing help. the suns might be willing to trade him since its his contract year, and the bulls could use him as a final piece to help push for the title as a one year rental player. maybe a doug McDermott for green swap? the contract money works just barely. throw in a draft pick if necessary

I totally agree with the idea of getting defensive help for Butler, but I'm honestly not sure about Green being the guy. I would have much rather gotten a Iman Shumpert for Tony Snell trade, but oh well. Overall I think your trade scenario was reasonable but some people in these forums just look to criticize anyone who doesn't post on here daily or isn't apart of their little clique.

Oh and trying to be realistic about Doug McDermott is also futile around here. He's been deemed "Better than Kyle Korver" by most around here who basically ignore the fact that prior to being hurt he was playing terrible offensively and his defense was actually worse than advertised (I had even started to think that Thibs had hit little Dougie in the knee with a bat so he didn't have to keep playing him). Since I'm a fan of the team I have my fingers crossed but he looked liked a huge bust and if he can be packaged for someone like Afflalo, the Bulls should jump on that deal like yesterday.

 

[Axl Rose]

This had to be a joke, why in the hell would Denver make that trade?

i said it depends on what Denvers outlook on the season is

if they are packing it in then im sure they will look to deal Afflalo as he has a player option hes most likely gonna decline and become a FA....and with your boy Gary Harris in the fold i can't imagine they'll pay the $$$ to resign him

can't see a team offering much more than a first if Nuggets look to deal him...plus Dunleavy could probably be flipped to a contender for another asset

Bulls win that trade but its not a rape as Afflalo is likely gone regardless

 

[Xplosive]

i said it depends on what Denvers outlook on the season is

if they are packing it in then im sure they will look to deal Afflalo as he has a player option hes most likely gonna decline and become a UFA....and with your boy Gary Harris in the fold i can't image they'll pay the $$$ to resign him

can't see a team offering much more than a first if Nuggets look to deal him plus Dunleavy could probably be flipped to a contender for another asset

Bulls win that trade but its not a rape as Afflalo is likely gone regardless

The nuggets just traded to get Afflalo, and unless they are complete idiots, they have to know that he would make the Bulls even better so how much would that 1st round pick in the late twenties be worth to them? They would certainly want more than Snell who's a bust, and Dunleavy who would be pissed to be traded and isn't worth much on a non contender.

The Bulls would certainly have to give up CCS Allstar Dougie "McBuckets?" at minimum, to get that deal done, and that's regardless of what they think about their season.