Training Camp - July 30

[bears51/40]

Depends on the struggles. If he’s running for his life, he’s not learning to go through his reads, for instance.

Struggling isn’t always the best way to try to learn…

But even that is part of being a pro quarterback. That's the part of the game where you learn to make something out nothing, something Fields has proven at the college level to be very good at.

 

[Black Rainbow]

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Jesus Christ. Did you tag me out of some need for attention?. You never understood my position. Saying that I think the OL will be mid pack this year doesn't mean I agree with everything Pace does. That said. I won't miss Leno. Yes we'd be better off with him if Jenkins can't go but in that scenario, we aren't winning a SB, LOL. Sometimes you need to cut bait. Did you expect Jenkins to be 2nd string or to pay a Leno $11.3M as a backup and he's been a below average starter for the last 2 years.. Not one GM would do that. Bears just saved $8m they really needed. If Jenkins goes down, so be it. Shit happens but it would be dumber to keep Leno in a year that all the cards need to fall right for a playoff run anyway.

You complained about the picks lost in this particular draft and never stated what you would do differently. Stop bringing up previous drafts and tell me what was wrong with this one since you had issue with it.

Just admit I had a valid point, and you shouldn't have had an issue with it.

If you cannot admit that much you're just stubborn. There was no reason to go back and forth with me for days about this.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Mustifer talks about putting 30 pounds on and working with Kreutz in the offseason.

 

[PrideisBears]

Just admit I had a valid point, and you shouldn't have had an issue with it.

If you cannot admit that much you're just stubborn. There was no reason to go back and forth with me for days about this.

Cries about posters not talking football and just focusing on him to go back and forth with him

Immediately tags someone to go back and forth with them

 

[Visionman]

But even that is part of being a pro quarterback. That's the part of the game where you learn to make something out nothing, something Fields has proven at the college level to be very good at.

AFTER you get the basics down, yes.

 

[Bearly]

Just admit I had a valid point, and you shouldn't have had an issue with it.

If you cannot admit that much you're just stubborn. There was no reason to go back and forth with me for days about this.

I didn't have issue with it and just admitted it in the post you quoted. I just understand why it went down like that and just gave you my full explanation. You just can accept my position and have some weird need to be declared winner on a difference of opinion. You keep pounding this, tag me, never respond to me in kind and then complain about it. WTF?

Why the silly accusations? I'm not the one targeting here and no matter how many times I explain it to you, you choose to not understand, infer, and never, ever respond with specifics like I just did when you're confronted about this draft. Nobody knows why you didn't like this draft outside of 'Pace has given away too many picks in past drafts' when no one has defended that outside of the Mack trade. I am now waiting for you to defer and answer a different question than was asked in the post you quoted, simply ignore it or continue to do your Man of La Mancha thing.

 

[modo]

Depends on the struggles. If he’s running for his life, he’s not learning to go through his reads, for instance.

Struggling isn’t always the best way to try to learn…

Struggling is how everyone learns...

You aren't a master or completely competent when you do something early on.

And when you get a low level of a skill and try to do something advanced, you fail at certain things. Every single person learns this way.

 

[Black Rainbow]

I didn't have issue with it and just admitted it in the post you quoted. I just understand why it went down like that and just gave you my full explanation. You just can accept my position and have some weird need to be declared winner on a difference of opinion. You keep pounding this, tag me, never respond to me in kind and then complain about it. WTF?

Why the silly accusations? I'm not the one targeting here and no matter how many times I explain it to you, you choose to not understand, infer, and never, ever respond with specifics like I just did when you're confronted about this draft. Nobody knows why you didn't like this draft outside of 'Pace has given away too many picks in past drafts' when no one has defended that outside of the Mack trade. I am now waiting for you to defer and answer a different question than was asked in the post you quoted, simply ignore it or continue to do your Man of La Mancha thing.

I answer your questions, you just don't like the answer. And you're predictably walking back your postion.

But anyway, I'm done for now. I know you gave me hard time about something you shouldn't have because as we've seen right away in camp - there's definitely a problem.

And even if Jenkins practices today...the problem is still there waiting to come up later in the season. Nothing has been solved.

 

[Bearly]

Well, duh, LOL. Guess what, if we didn't waste all those picks to trade up and get Jenkins we'd be in trouble if Leno couldn't go either.

 

[Visionman]

Struggling is how everyone learns...

You aren't a master or completely competent when you do something early on.

And when you get a low level of a skill and try to do something advanced, you fail at certain things. Every single person learns this way.

How about I explain it to you guys this way…

If you go to college to get an engineering degree, you will start by taking engineering 101. Even that glass will be a struggle for you, because you are just starting out. Sure, you might sleo struggle by taking engineering 501, but because it’s so much more advanced, and because you didn’t master the basics first, your struggling will only result in your failing the class.

There is a LOT Fields needs to learn about playing QB in the NFL. A lot of basics he needs to get down…that he will struggle to get down at first. Things he needs to know before getting thrown to the deep end. Even if you just toss him in and he has some success (because of his talent) you likely are then limiting his ceiling because he never was able to develop those basics.

 

[Bearly]

I don't know about limiting his ceiling but I agree with having some the tools to improve instead of threading water for a longer period. I think the challenge is to get him to be the best he can be by week 18 and I don't really care if that's starting him week one or week 9.

I don't believe he's the sort that would benefit from an entire year on the bench nor the type that will never recover from a bad start but there's likely something in between that would be best for him, even if it's only sitting a couple games to experience prep, breakdowns etc. It's on him and you want to be past past any mechanical and playbook issue (even if limited at 1st) before he starts. You lose training reps once you're the starter.

 

[iueyedoc]

How about I explain it to you guys this way…

If you go to college to get an engineering degree, you will start by taking engineering 101. Even that glass will be a struggle for you, because you are just starting out. Sure, you might sleo struggle by taking engineering 501, but because it’s so much more advanced, and because you didn’t master the basics first, your struggling will only result in your failing the class.

There is a LOT Fields needs to learn about playing QB in the NFL. A lot of basics he needs to get down…that he will struggle to get down at first. Things he needs to know before getting thrown to the deep end. Even if you just toss him in and he has some success (because of his talent) you likely are then limiting his ceiling because he never was able to develop those basics.

Not buying the analogy. Football isn't all mental, like engineering. It's mental and physical more like a mechanic. Fields learned to do brake jobs on Chevys in HS, moved up to BMW's in college, he knows how brakes work, after reading the manual, staring at someone else change them on a Ferrari isn't going to make him learn anything of value.

 

[dabears70]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421185794493059073

@msadows what did you think of this throw?

J.Johnson still getting beat deep like multiple times last year. The difference last year was the QB missed the WR that beat him. He's gotta get better at that or Bears need to notice it and give him safety help.

 

[dabears70]

Wow this dude (Jeremiah Attaochu) sounds a bit like Willie Gault. Slightly more bass, but not much:

I think you'll have to post a clip of Willie talking for many on here to know what Willie sounded like.

 

[dabears70]

JJ getting beat by a scrub is being shared by the Bears social media LOL

Scrub?? World class speed.

 

[dabears70]

that’s the embarrassing part

goodwin didn’t beat him with speed he straight up out jumped him lol

He did beat him with speed but the ball was underthrown.

 

[modo]

How about I explain it to you guys this way…

If you go to college to get an engineering degree, you will start by taking engineering 101. Even that glass will be a struggle for you, because you are just starting out. Sure, you might sleo struggle by taking engineering 501, but because it’s so much more advanced, and because you didn’t master the basics first, your struggling will only result in your failing the class.

There is a LOT Fields needs to learn about playing QB in the NFL. A lot of basics he needs to get down…that he will struggle to get down at first. Things he needs to know before getting thrown to the deep end. Even if you just toss him in and he has some success (because of his talent) you likely are then limiting his ceiling because he never was able to develop those basics.

I'm not saying throwing him in the deep end before you teach him to swim. But he's not going to be perfect at the basics and then come in the game.

Athletically and physically I think he can play NFL speed no problem. His decision making is what is going to make him as a QB. You can only go so far in the tape room. That's the area he needs a minimum level. Even then, the only way to truly process it is on the field. And there is zero substitute for live, meaningful games.

 

[Visionman]

Not buying the analogy. Football isn't all mental, like engineering. It's mental and physical more like a mechanic. Fields learned to do brake jobs on Chevys in HS, moved up to BMW's in college, he knows how brakes work, after reading the manual, staring at someone else change them on a Ferrari isn't going to make him learn anything of value.

If you think the mental part is the same in college as the pros, there’s really no use talking to you. It’s more like he knew how to ride a bike, and now he’s learning how to drive a race car…

 

[dabears70]

#19 had a great one handed catch. I'm sure he's just one of the WR's that won't make the final roster.

Edit: It's Thomas Ives who's been around this team the last couple of years but i think on PS.

 

[dabears70]

Lol I actually like Vildor. I'll be interested to see how he does. Haven't heard his name much which can be a good thing as a DB. Like JJ has shown up negatively

I think Vildor starts no matter if it's replacing Fuller at CB or taking over at NB. I still have Trufant starting at CB but Vildor did some good things replacing JJ last year.