Training Camp Thread

[MassHavoc]

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

ahh got you well then we agree, I was misunderstanding you a bit, but I re-read it now. I thought you were saying that the diving penalty wasn't even a call they can make. WHich I didn't think was the case as I've seen it.

 

[EspoForever]

I like Burish...as a person. His story is great, seems to be a great guy, never heard a bad thing about him. I just think he's a crappy player, his first year me and Shoots he Scores had 7th row seats, we were wondering about this 'Burish' guy. Well we were playing Columbus, (the game Kevyn Adams was injured for the year), and after a whistle Burish put his sticks between some BJ's player and just raped him in the nuts. Left a bad taste in my mouth and other than being a great locker room guy he really only had a few good stretches for the Hawks. Adams, Fraser, Eager, Dowell did a much better job than he did.



In all, he played a handful of games in our cup year, thought we were better without him.

Winning follows Burish. He captained the Badgers to an NCAA title, won the cup with the Hawks and Dallas had a markedly better winning pct with him in the lineup than without. He seems to never finish but he has pretty good speed so he can eat up minutes playing decent defensively and gets opponents off their game. He also seems to bring collections of players together as a team. He is a leader.



Not bad for a guy who was in a car wreck in high school and the doctors told him he might walk but would not play any more hockey.



If I am not mistaken the reason he only played 13 regular season games the cup year was that he tore something in his knee in camp and needed surgery. He came back in March and finished the year and added 15 playoff games....I completely disagree...we were not better without him, IMO.

 

[PatrickShart]

Tallon should have drafted Pavelski from that team...instead of Burish. It's amazing to me how he scouted/drafted 4 players from that roster - and not him...who was much better.

 

[Ton]

Tallon should have drafted Pavelski from that team...instead of Burish. It's amazing to me how he scouted/drafted 4 players from that roster - and not him...who was much better.

What does it matter? We would have had to let him go anyway because Tallon left us in cap hell!

 

[PatrickShart]

No he didn't....that wasn't true I've been told



The cap problems were all Stan's fault. And Q's.

 

[Ton]

No he didn't....that wasn't true I've been told



The cap problems were all Stan's fault. And Q's.

I mean, if Stan really was behind the QO debacle then it is his fault.



Is Kruger replacing Bolland yet? Or is it Shaw now?

 

[PatrickShart]

Kruger is replacing the toilet seat as he's still battling the flu

 

[Tater]

As I side note, I heard a McDumbass interview on the radio yesterday and he actually said "coaching is one of our teams strengths".

 

[MassHavoc]

As I side note, I heard a McDumbass interview on the radio yesterday and he actually said "coaching is one of our teams strengths".

He also said that he doesn't think it will be hard for the fans to come back because the wait list has added 250 people during the lockout.... I've seen several people on here say they are canceling, I haven't seen one person say they joined the wait list. So does that mean that the added 250 names and lost 2000 season tickets?

 

[PatrickShart]

What an idiot! Saying a coach with a Cup win, 624 wins (7th all time), making the playoffs 13 out of 15yrs..ranks higher than several other coaches in other categories....actually thinks Quenneville is any good.

 

[supraman]

What an idiot! Saying a coach with a Cup win, 624 wins (7th all time), making the playoffs 13 out of 15yrs..ranks higher than several other coaches in other categories....actually thinks Quenneville is any good.

Exactly what an idiot. Glad we agree.

 

[winos5]

Monty along way from returning.





Simulated game day



-found the power play units interesting

 

[Tater]

What an idiot! Saying a coach with a Cup win, 624 wins (7th all time), making the playoffs 13 out of 15yrs..ranks higher than several other coaches in other categories....actually thinks Quenneville is any good.

He said "coaching", not just the head coach. Assistants as well.

 

[genefoley]

I like Burish...as a person. His story is great, seems to be a great guy, never heard a bad thing about him. I just think he's a crappy player, his first year me and Shoots he Scores had 7th row seats, we were wondering about this 'Burish' guy. Well we were playing Columbus, (the game Kevyn Adams was injured for the year), and after a whistle Burish put his sticks between some BJ's player and just raped him in the nuts. Left a bad taste in my mouth and other than being a great locker room guy he really only had a few good stretches for the Hawks. Adams, Fraser, Eager, Dowell did a much better job than he did.



In all, he played a handful of games in our cup year, thought we were better without him.

That was me, not Paul

GO HAWKS

 

[Shantz My Pants]

LOL at all of you bashing Carcillo on the 1st line. Do you know what his purpose is on the ice? It's not to score 30 goals or be a playmaker.



He's a grinder who surprisingly has some decent level of skill. His main job is to be a shit disturber. That includes mucking it up in the corners, putting a body into players, being relentless on the forecheck, causing chaos in front of the net and forcing turnovers with his aggressiveness and physicality.



He's doing what Lapointe did for Thornton and Murray on the Bruins. What Tikkanen did for Gretzky, Courtnall did for Bure and Hull. Dale Hunter did the same for Stastny and Bondra later in his career. Lemieux had Stevens. Grant it some were more talented than him but the point is the same.



Here's an interesting fact. Hawks record when Carcillo played more than 11 minutes (10-5). Hawks record when he played less than 11 minutes (5-7). So the logic of him playing more and hurting the team obviously isn't all that true is it?

 

[TSD]

LOL at all of you bashing Carcillo on the 1st line. Do you know what his purpose is on the ice? It's not to score 30 goals or be a playmaker.



He's a grinder who surprisingly has some decent level of skill. His main job is to be a shit disturber. That includes mucking it up in the corners, putting a body into players, being relentless on the forecheck, causing chaos in front of the net and forcing turnovers with his aggressiveness and physicality.



He's doing what Lapointe did for Thornton and Murray on the Bruins. What Tikkanen did for Gretzky, Courtnall did for Bure and Hull. Dale Hunter did the same for Stastny and Bondra later in his career. Lemieux had Stevens. Grant it some were more talented than him but the point is the same.



Here's an interesting fact. Hawks record when Carcillo played more than 11 minutes (10-5). Hawks record when he played less than 11 minutes (5-7). So the logic of him playing more and hurting the team obviously isn't all that true is it?

You are kidding me right? I could just as easily say the hawks have a losing record when Carcillo was in the lineup with that same data.



EDIT: to add further, what did carcillo actually do in all those games? In the games he played under 11 minutes, was he riding the pine because he took yet another bad penalty that we subsequently got scored on? Come on. Looking at our record when he played more or less than 11 minutes is hardly an indication of his value to the team.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

That was me, not Paul

GO HAWKS

Sorry Dave, I was gonna say you but for some reason remembered Paul being there for the Kevyn Adams hit. My B D, MY B.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

LOL at all of you bashing Carcillo on the 1st line. Do you know what his purpose is on the ice? It's not to score 30 goals or be a playmaker.



He's a grinder who surprisingly has some decent level of skill. His main job is to be a shit disturber. That includes mucking it up in the corners, putting a body into players, being relentless on the forecheck, causing chaos in front of the net and forcing turnovers with his aggressiveness and physicality.



He's doing what Lapointe did for Thornton and Murray on the Bruins. What Tikkanen did for Gretzky, Courtnall did for Bure and Hull. Dale Hunter did the same for Stastny and Bondra later in his career. Lemieux had Stevens. Grant it some were more talented than him but the point is the same.



Here's an interesting fact. Hawks record when Carcillo played more than 11 minutes (10-5). Hawks record when he played less than 11 minutes (5-7). So the logic of him playing more and hurting the team obviously isn't all that true is it?

I mean all I know about that NHL, and I would assume you too is from reruns, reading about it and hearing about what those teams were like. Fact is the NHL is so vastly different from those era's you really can't even compare or try to replicate something that involves a playing simply being a shit stirring, the league has proven you will get burned every time.

 

[Ton]

It's great to have a player that plays that role. Carcillo still isn't a 1st rate player in that category. My point was if they want a guy like that, go get him and keep Carcillo where he belongs. Sure Carcillo can drive to the net and hit guys, open up space, but he needs to be smart too (too much trouble) and show finishing ability around the net. 20 goals in the last 5 years isn't cutting it on the first line.



This is like getting Matthew Barnaby back to man the 1st line. Not Esa Tikkanen or Dale Hunter.

 

[EspoForever]

Tallon should have drafted Pavelski from that team...instead of Burish. It's amazing to me how he scouted/drafted 4 players from that roster - and not him...who was much better.

Pavelski and Burish were not even drafted the same year and Pavelski went 7th round so every team in the NHL missed him at least 6 times.