Training Camp Thread

[Ton]

No offense, but top six power forwards don't exactly grow on trees. Not to mention the fact that every other team in the NHL is looking for the same thing.

Nash was acquired for two 3rd line players (probably 1st or 2nd line on Columbus though), a failing prospect defenseman, and a 1st round pick. They hardly decimated their team for not just a top six forward, but an elite player. Not saying we should have gunned for Nash, but that really isn't much for his value and all those players are guys that the Rangers can replace.



There's so many examples of trades made where teams didn't have to blow up their team for a top six player. James Neal was acquired for Alex Goligoski. JVR for Schenn. Lupul (and Gardiner) for Beauchemin.



We don't have to blow up the team to get a top-six forward and there have been a lot of trades involving top-six wingers over the course of the last few years. I'm not saying we need one: I'm comfortable with Stalberg.... but the fact that they are trying Carcillo up there is just stupid and if they want more grit on the top two lines go grab someone that will fit instead of plugging in a career 4th line energy player. Again, I don't think we need another forward, but if the organization feels that Carcillo is the answer, I would rather them just acquire whatever the **** they are worried about than playing yo-yo in that LW spot with shitty players because they "have grit". We have plenty of pieces to trade without killing our team... if there is any faith in the youth then why not?



Once again, this organization continues to prove that they cannot properly slot talent in the line-up and they try and overcompensate with crappy 2nd rate players instead of actually filling their needs.



If it's me, I keep this team the way it is... no trade... but keep Stalberg on the top 2 lines and put Carcillo on the bottom 2 where he belongs. If they can't fucking do that, make a trade and get what you need. Simple as that. Good GM's find a way to do that.

 

[the canadian dream]

His penis in your mouth isn't the type of scoring we are talking about.

POST OF THE YEAR!!



its only 14 days in though.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

POST OF THE YEAR!!



its only 14 days in though.

TCD is jealous everyone.

 

[bookjones]

TCD is jealous everyone.

He's right. But you're right too. He's gonna be soooo fucking unbearable now that his pasty ass is employed again as of today. . .acting like he has some sort of swag or some bullshit.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

He's right. But you're right too. He's gonna be soooo fucking unbearable now that his pasty ass is employed again as of today. . .acting like he has some sort of swag or some bullshit.

Damn Canadians tryin to claim our shit!!!

 

[bookjones]

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Hmmm. Poor Morin so far. His numbers are pretty decent. More importantly besides hustle and heart for the team I personally think he turned an emotional corner from the get-go this season. Playing much more maturely and smartly IMO. Not nearly the angerball of frustrated emotions he was last season when for whatever reasons he couldn't quite come to terms with being healthy after the long concussion recovery from the season before that. Pretty steady clip to his pts. accumulation---certainly not world-beater but nothing to be ashamed of, less fights, seems more leadership-y, skating looks better which for him is saying something. Since the Hogs are off all week I hope they don't mindfuck him and not recall him since they're calling up seemingly everybody else along with the kitchen sink. He's earned a call up more than say JHayes or Shaw IMO. I realize this can't going to go anywhere for most of these kids at the end of the week but it's a nice vote of confidence and good sportsmanship and a camaraderie thingy IMO considering that the Hogs schedule is conveniently open for TC.

 

[thanson1990]

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Hmmm. Poor Morin so far. His numbers are pretty decent. More importantly besides hustle and heart for the team I personally think he turned an emotional corner from the get-go this season. Playing much more maturely and smartly IMO. Not nearly the angerball of frustrated emotions he was last season when for whatever reasons he couldn't quite come to terms with being healthy after the long concussion recovery from the season before that. Pretty steady clip to his pts. accumulation---certainly not world-beater but nothing to be ashamed of, less fights, seems more leadership-y, skating looks better which for him is saying something. Since the Hogs are off all week I hope they don't mindfuck him and not recall him since they're calling up seemingly everybody else along with the kitchen sink. He's earned a call up more than say JHayes or Shaw IMO. I realize this can't going to go anywhere for most of these kids at the end of the week but it's a nice vote of confidence and good sportsmanship and a camaraderie thingy IMO considering that the Hogs schedule is conveniently open for TC.

Agreed on Mo, but I think you and i like him a lot more than most. Hayes has had moments, but he's been so wildly inconsistent in Rockford. Shaw has just been his typical boneheaded self and is going to cost this team a game or two if he doesn't calm down a little bit.

 

[supraman]

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Hmmm. Poor Morin so far. His numbers are pretty decent. More importantly besides hustle and heart for the team I personally think he turned an emotional corner from the get-go this season. Playing much more maturely and smartly IMO. Not nearly the angerball of frustrated emotions he was last season when for whatever reasons he couldn't quite come to terms with being healthy after the long concussion recovery from the season before that. Pretty steady clip to his pts. accumulation---certainly not world-beater but nothing to be ashamed of, less fights, seems more leadership-y, skating looks better which for him is saying something. Since the Hogs are off all week I hope they don't mindfuck him and not recall him since they're calling up seemingly everybody else along with the kitchen sink. He's earned a call up more than say JHayes or Shaw IMO. I realize this can't going to go anywhere for most of these kids at the end of the week but it's a nice vote of confidence and good sportsmanship and a camaraderie thingy IMO considering that the Hogs schedule is conveniently open for TC.

HOW DARE YOU. Shaw is so good that the AHL bores him and he cannot be bothered to try. I mean after raping Mike Smith the AHL just seems quaint to him.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

Nash was acquired for two 3rd line players (probably 1st or 2nd line on Columbus though), a failing prospect defenseman, and a 1st round pick. They hardly decimated their team for not just a top six forward, but an elite player. Not saying we should have gunned for Nash, but that really isn't much for his value and all those players are guys that the Rangers can replace.



There's so many examples of trades made where teams didn't have to blow up their team for a top six player. James Neal was acquired for Alex Goligoski. JVR for Schenn. Lupul (and Gardiner) for Beauchemin.



We don't have to blow up the team to get a top-six forward and there have been a lot of trades involving top-six wingers over the course of the last few years. I'm not saying we need one: I'm comfortable with Stalberg.... but the fact that they are trying Carcillo up there is just stupid and if they want more grit on the top two lines go grab someone that will fit instead of plugging in a career 4th line energy player. Again, I don't think we need another forward, but if the organization feels that Carcillo is the answer, I would rather them just acquire whatever the **** they are worried about than playing yo-yo in that LW spot with shitty players because they "have grit". We have plenty of pieces to trade without killing our team... if there is any faith in the youth then why not?



Once again, this organization continues to prove that they cannot properly slot talent in the line-up and they try and overcompensate with crappy 2nd rate players instead of actually filling their needs.



If it's me, I keep this team the way it is... no trade... but keep Stalberg on the top 2 lines and put Carcillo on the bottom 2 where he belongs. If they can't fucking do that, make a trade and get what you need. Simple as that. Good GM's find a way to do that.

I'm with you on Carcillo 100%, its trying to put a square peg in a round hole. He can open up space, protect our players, blah blah blah, there is no room for a player like Carcillo on the top line. I mean if Carcillo gets 20 minutes a night he'll be well on his way to 150 PIMS in a 48 game season. I have no problem with Carcillo, but he is a role player, a player who helps this team with his intangibles on the 4th line. Such as when were down two goals, throwing the 4th line out there and giving the other team fits, good teams prove every year that having a 4th line that can log valuable minutes when out there is almost as invaluable as anything.



I'm with you on Stalberg in terms of he is no 4th line player, he clearly wants to be a top 6 in this league, I just don't see it on this team. Give him back to Toronto, he can rape the AHL with the Marlies.

 

[supraman]

I could see Stalberg as a 2nd or 3rd liner however he isn't good enough to play 1st line. The guy has two attributes speed and scoring on Columbus.



Carbomb is a 3rd liner, I'd go as far to say 2nd line but he's a penalty magnet. So I'd rather have him skate less than more.



Shaw for as much as I love the guy I think at the moment he's a solid 3rd line guy. I think he could get a 2nd line promotion.



Hayes from what I seen Hayes needs more consistency so either 4th line for him or more time in Rockford



The way I see it we have a glut of 3rd line players.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

I could see Stalberg as a 2nd or 3rd liner however he isn't good enough to play 1st line. The guy has two attributes speed and scoring on Columbus.



Carbomb is a 3rd liner, I'd go as far to say 2nd line but he's a penalty magnet. So I'd rather have him skate less than more.



Shaw for as much as I love the guy I think at the moment he's a solid 3rd line guy. I think he could get a 2nd line promotion.



Hayes from what I seen Hayes needs more consistency so either 4th line for him or more time in Rockford



The way I see it we have a glut of 3rd line players.

I see Carbomb as a glorified Burish, who I was never a fan of, but Burish new his role and played it well (Especially when riding the pine for the cup run).



Shaw definitely deserved a spot from his play last year IMO, and I would just like to see Hayes anywhere on the big club. To me he's a guy who will have a long career whether its with us or not, he's got great size, hands, sense, and as Don Cherry would say "Just a good north american boy"

 

[supraman]

I see Carbomb as a glorified Burish, who I was never a fan of, but Burish new his role and played it well (Especially when riding the pine for the cup run).



Shaw definitely deserved a spot from his play last year IMO, and I would just like to see Hayes anywhere on the big club. To me he's a guy who will have a long career whether its with us or not, he's got great size, hands, sense, and as Don Cherry would say "Just a good north american boy"

To be honest I'd take burish over carbomb.



Shaw's work ethic last year won me over, the guy just played his ass off.



Hayes I liked Hayes but he wasn't consistent enough, I think he'd going to be good just has to get there.

 

[Ton]

If Carcillo is playing higher than your 3rd line, there is a depth issue... period.



If it's up to me, he sticks on the 4th line or he's scratched. I agree with PSR... glorified Burish but has a bit more skill and less brains. Still don't want him any higher than the 4th line with spot duty on the 3rd line. Top 2 lines are for offense not a circus.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

To be honest I'd take burish over carbomb.



Shaw's work ethic last year won me over, the guy just played his ass off.



Hayes I liked Hayes but he wasn't consistent enough, I think he'd going to be good just has to get there.

I think this team needs the size, grit, skills, and overall TRUE versatility that Hayes can bring this year. But yes, he does need to get there.

If Carcillo is playing higher than your 3rd line, there is a depth issue... period.



If it's up to me, he sticks on the 4th line or he's scratched. I agree with PSR... glorified Burish but has a bit more skill and less brains. Still don't want him any higher than the 4th line with spot duty on the 3rd line. Top 2 lines are for offense not a circus.

That is the hardest thing about this, the fact that we have 6 bona-fide all stars who can own a game on our team, yet our management fails to put the correct depth around them, what is up with that shit? I say take the rout of bringing up the young talented guys who also have a fire under their asses cause they DO NOT want to go back to Rockford, and they have to prove that they can play hockey for their career. Nothing like some established players making the young guys look good. The year we won it, everyone had something to prove, there is no doubt our guys wanna win it all again more than us fans can ever imagine, I just think in a short season where there is no trial period a kick in the ass with you young guns here would be great for our team.



I already am imagining Shaw running around like a chicken with his head cut off on saturday while potting a goal.

 

[MassHavoc]

It's funny cause I always saw shaw as carcillo, only younger.

 

[Ton]

It's funny cause I always saw shaw as carcillo, only younger.

I'm probably one of the few who would rather see Shaw stick on the bottom two lines. He's a hard working player, and I appreciate that, but I can't envision him as a top-six forward in his career.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

It's funny cause I always saw shaw as carcillo, only younger.

Thats why you don't evaluate talent? And I am a pure genius?



Shaw has already tied that idiots single season goal mark in his rookie year only playing 37 games. To me I see Shaw as much more than an agitator, seems to have the brains to get over the caveman shit that Carcillo pulls. That hit on Mike Smith is still one of the biggest over reactions to anything I have ever seen, guy got a lovetap with a helmet on, faked everything, and Shaw gets three games. Carcillo's been playing his goon reputation since his OHL days, in his AHL rookie year he had 311 PIMS....

 

[Ton]

I'm not sure if I really like this Shaw at center experiment... what are we... the Maple "let's try everyone at center" Leafs? I realize Shaw was a center in his junior career, but this isn't juniors anymore.



Also, I'd like to see them give a legitimate shot to Brandon Saad, but it just doesn't look like they will. I don't think there is room in the top-six, but there doesn't have to be: Put him on the 3rd line if he is ready. If not, I suppose I wouldn't be too disappointed if they sent him back down. No use in rushing him, but if he's proving he can do it, they need to find a spot.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

I'm not sure if I really like this Shaw at center experiment... what are we... the Maple "let's try everyone at center" Leafs? I realize Shaw was a center in his junior career, but this isn't juniors anymore.



Also, I'd like to see them give a legitimate shot to Brandon Saad, but it just doesn't look like they will. I don't think there is room in the top-six, but there doesn't have to be: Put him on the 3rd line if he is ready. If not, I suppose I wouldn't be too disappointed if they sent him back down. No use in rushing him, but if he's proving he can do it, they need to find a spot.

Same here, hate the idea of throwing a kid who is still "earning" his spot at a position he probably isn't comfortable with. Then again if we want him to be the next Bolland we better start him right away and BE CONSISTENT WITH IT. Don't move him back to wing at the first sign of trouble, let him learn the position, develop, grow, and become a valuable player on this team.



And you know my view, bring Saad up.

 

[Ton]

He's only 20 though, can't say that more development time would hurt him.